I just don't understand you. There is a change from the physical to the spiritual because the letter killed, that ministration was death - NO ONE has said anything about changing God's words - the rules changed that's all . . . they didn't disappear, they are still there but we are not under bondage to do them. THEY DID NOT WORK THE FIRST TIME . . . JESUS TOOK AND NAILED THEM TO THE CROSS WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGAINST US.
I agree that there is a change from the physical to the spiritual, and if I might add, in us who belleive. Where we part company is when people say the “rules” have changed by changing the priesthood to the tribe of Judah. That is not a rule that we have to follow. The Father and the Son predetermined that change before time began. It is also prophesied. When you insinuate that the rules didn’t work so they were nailed to the cross, it sounds as if the rules (being God’s ordinances) were crucified at Calvary. When you say “JESUS TOOK AND NAILED THEM TO THE CROSS WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGAINST US” you are clearly pointing to God’s words, instead of the enmity that sin causes (the physical punishment for sin) that Jesus destroyed on the cross. The rules are the laws, which Jesus did NOT come to destroy, are still in effect according to His own words. He came to save us “from our sins that condemn us to death.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid
The thing is any one responding to this thread is more than likely a born again believer so they would be walking after the Spirit and they are not in the flesh. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Now look at this:
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. . .
Romans 8:2-9 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath
made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rhetorically asking; Is the law of sin God’s law, or
a *law in our members that is carnal, and sinful? Henceforth the law of sin and death is NOT God’s law, it’s our law. The first failed because of man’s transgression against the rules. It was meant to be that way, “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
Galatians 4:4 (KJV) It was always meant to be that way. First things first.
Romans 7:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see
another *law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones
Let us add the word
“glorious” to this scripture.
2 Corinthians 3:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written
and engraven in stones,
was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which
glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
was glorious (past tense)
verse 8 (present tense to the believer in Christ)
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that
first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Again, as we have talked before, “covenant” is an added word that is NOT in the original manuscript. When the first part of this chapter begins the writer is explaining temple worship. So this phrase relates directly to the
“first covenant” with a physical temple made with hands.
Acts 7:48 (KJV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Where does the Holy Spirit of God dwell now if not on the mercy seat of the old temple?
Romans 7:5-13 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we
were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,
and not in the oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin
was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which
was ordained to life, I found
to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew
me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
The phrase
“The law is holy” is present tense
.
He dwells within us, because we are the new temple not made with hands.
Acts 17:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth
not in temples made with hands;
1 Corinthians 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
It seems as though the law only brought death and a remembrance of sin bringing with it condemnation and guilt.
See post #380