Of course there is a difference between the way an ancient religious man understood New Year (re-creation of the world) and modern men celebrate it. However, there are atheists (probably not you) that understand New Year differently; they make plans for the year to come and try to put a good start to it. This comes from a deep religious need of man to place himself in harmony (sacrality) and escape chaos (profanity).
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Oh, it could have been, though that's not mentioned, however, the only way off was the Ark in this case. The Bible account doesn't mention anyone coming to seek refuge, though apparently the movie Noah shows this; and really, why wouldn't they come. I'd expect it. Maybe one or two of the women had no family, but none of them having family is a stretch. No, they aren't given names and they are not given families, and no one thinks to ask Noah for refuge? I am afraid this account is far from realistic.
Another thing that bothers me is that the Ark was larger than Nelson's flagship Victory which took three years and 250 men to build. How many years would it have taken for Noah and his sons to build the Victory? By my reckoning it would have taken them at least 187 years if they could have done it at all. It is estimated that Victory required about 6000 trees. Did Noah and his sons cut down and dress the lumber of 6000 trees by themselves when he built the Ark, or did he contract out? I imagine British sawmills were more efficient than anything Noah had available. Might it have taken 200 years to build the larger Ark? I guess God was in no hurry to drown the world.
There are other issues with this as well. It seems to me that when people accept the story of the Ark they do the same thing I once did. I accepted the account without thinking. I think that’s generally what people do. It never occurs to anyone to look into the details.
Another thing that bothers me is that the Ark was larger than Nelson's flagship Victory which took three years and 250 men to build. How many years would it have taken for Noah and his sons to build the Victory? By my reckoning it would have taken them at least 187 years if they could have done it at all. It is estimated that Victory required about 6000 trees. Did Noah and his sons cut down and dress the lumber of 6000 trees by themselves when he built the Ark, or did he contract out? I imagine British sawmills were more efficient than anything Noah had available. Might it have taken 200 years to build the larger Ark? I guess God was in no hurry to drown the world.
There are other issues with this as well. It seems to me that when people accept the story of the Ark they do the same thing I once did. I accepted the account without thinking. I think that’s generally what people do. It never occurs to anyone to look into the details.
And thank you for your easy going nature and your kind words.
I tell you, my skin has toughened quite a lot since I started visiting forums, and if you look back over all my posts -- too much of a chore for sure -- you will find a few places where I got a little short. I always regret these lapses, but I suppose we all have them from time to time.
I tell you, my skin has toughened quite a lot since I started visiting forums, and if you look back over all my posts -- too much of a chore for sure -- you will find a few places where I got a little short. I always regret these lapses, but I suppose we all have them from time to time.
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Reasons To Believe : The Higgs Apocalypse
Reasons To Believe : The Higgs Apocalypse
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Hey, I am nuisance to many believers on this site. Yeah, I know I talk hard against you and Cycel, but sometimes I have too. But the fact is I enjoy it. Maybe I shouldn't, But I do. I like a good discussion. Sometimes y'all show me up and sometimes I show y'all up. But the battle is fun and I care about you guy's.
Anyway I'm about to sign off. May you be blessed by God.
Anyway I'm about to sign off. May you be blessed by God.
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Well here's an interesting piece that you've just encountered, the women are barely mentioned as well as their families. Lots of religions and mythologies add in names and details about things. In this case, women weren't viewed in the same way as men in this near eastern culture. Jews thousands of years ago kept genealogy, which is also documented history, didn't find it completely adequate for women to be mentioned either. As we see here both have this in common, as well it is considered documented as historical. So from you have just brought up makes it even more real by how Israel kept it within the lines. Reason I say that is for very good reasons (and I know I'm going off track). Jews did not tolerate false witnessed, false documented, or even distorted writings. In the ancient near east when copying the scrolls, if they were to mess up on a jot they would burn it, burn their cloths, bathe, and start all over. This was completely a superstition back then, just as it was to say God's name; they said Adonai in place of YHWH for fear of breaking the third commandment. Nowadays they write G-d in English if you have ever seen that (this is nothing new to you I'm sure lol).
Funny Cycel, because if this were a made up story we would have said Noah was a professional at making this Ark. Apparently God uses ordinary people for extraordinary purposes (you will find this not uncommon in the bible). Genesis 5:32 tells us Noah was 500 years old and became the father of his three sons, and Genesis 7:6 tells us Noah was 600 when the waters came. This is a hint of how long it must have taken him, a guess is a 100 years cycel. I do believe God used a simple man to build an Ark that survived a flood, in contrast to the titanic built by claimed professionals. Why doubt the power of God?
Well we are at odds, I've come to believe it by thinking as well cycel. It's also amazing how many varieties and similarities of this exact story exists in ancient cultures and modern religions. It's no surprise that this was one of the many stories that were generationally passed down and changed with nations and cultures after Noah's descendants repopulated the earth.
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The sad thing, it occurs to me, is that if I am right I will never know it, and you will never know you were wrong.
I wouldn't have told you this if I were lying or even unsure of myself. I'm 18, I wasn't raised in a religious family, apart from teenagers my age in this world, it's a bitter taste to watch them live like it's their only moment in time. What we testify is true. Would you take my word for it? I have experienced many joys in things, material things, knowledgeable things, organized groups and affiliations, but nothing compare to this truth. As a fellow man, and Christian, I respect your view but the question always comes...What if you're wrong on your end. I do not even take joy at that at all...
But surely the very notion of a man 600 years old is lunacy in itself. If he were not to age, People of that time would have worshipped him as a God or a Demon. If he aged as a natural human. His body would have been too decrepit to life a hammer let alone build an ark. It's a lovely story but there are too many logistical impossibilities for it to be an accurate account of history.
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Actually no. People before him lived to, at most, 900-near 1000 years of age so this wouldn't be a phenomenon. Matter of fact during Noah's time was the turning event of age limits. The Lord said in Genesis 6:3 that His Spirit will not strive with man forever, also that man's days would be 120 years (max is what I'm supposing). Aren't you surprised that the death age is at average 80 yet so many people live to be well over a hundred. I am not lying, my great great grandmother died at 106 in 2008, she was in a nursing home.
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the entire Bible has many "logistical impossibilities," however Jesus replied, "What is impossible with man is possible with God" (Luke 18:27. He is speaking of the New birth here, but I believe it applies to all things).
You are right. By all human logic, a man living past 600 seems absurd. However, if one has faith in an all-powerful God who is actively involved in human life, then it is easy to accept.
And as God has created all things, He can override or change any governance of laws or science He chooses to.
You are right. By all human logic, a man living past 600 seems absurd. However, if one has faith in an all-powerful God who is actively involved in human life, then it is easy to accept.
And as God has created all things, He can override or change any governance of laws or science He chooses to.