are you bored? why are you online on the sabbath? you are to be inside your dwelling resting.
AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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are you bored? why are you online on the sabbath? you are to be inside your dwelling resting.
can people read? he is preaching we are not free to sin. i could read it clearly enough.
he said "This means that we should strive to let the Holy Spirit guide us, not that we are free to sin."
now a question for you. do you have sin?
1 John 1
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
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Hoffco
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Whoa! So, this is where things got so far out of line, into stupidity! Zinzerio, You got caught up in the trash eternally-grateful said about me, and now had to back away from your error. eternally-grateful trashed my good posts 1265 &1266 and you fell into his twisted trash. Zinzerio , you and I are of the same camp theologically, you have great posts ; Which back up what I say. It is this twisted reasoning of eternally-grateful that we must fight. He is a totally lawless preacher ,preaching a perverted love, and I tried to tell him that he needed to repent of his lawlessness before it take more people to Hell, like the man I spoke of who taught grace yet lived for sex. This man has been since divorced and his children have tried to commit him to an insane ward. There is no end to the evil stories this LOVE only message promotes in the churches today. Keep preaching the truth of godliness according to the Gospel of God, which promotes the holy laws of God, Jesus and His New Testament. Love to all who love the law of the LORD, hoffco
Jesus said to man on the sabbath get up and walk, he did not convict the man on the sabbath, this is your answer this post you have quoted me here had nothing to do with what your writing here. a child of god his sins are banished into the sea of forgetfulness , i do not agree with your method here sorry please repent. i know you have a problem with eg but your statement could cause people to hate him for his past.can not agree with you on this.
this has nothing to with anything i was saying please stop twisting my word,s when God says sin no more he means sin no more, he did not say this for nothing, peace in the name of the father. happy sabbath. get up and walk in peace. specially on this day.
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MAYBE I misunderstood this post of yours.? It is very unclear! I thought you were agreeing with Phil112 in his traching my posts 1265 & 1266. NOW as I reread your, this post ,I think you were trashing Phil112's post. Phil has knack of trashing people with no scripture to back him up. You sound like a 7th day adventist or 7th day Baptist. I think they are good Christians but have the wrong worship day for the New Cov.. Love to all, Hoffco
your post 1310 asked someone did they say it was okay to preach it was okay to sin. your question was disingenuous and self-righteous. he said CLEARLY it is not okay to sin.
it certainly does. i asked you, do you say you have no sin?
1 John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
i can post the greek for you, if you do not believe john settled for all time the notion that any one of us is without sin. that includes yourself. john goes further and states anyone claiming they have no sin actually has not yet received the truth, at all. that means they're not yet saved. look it up yourself.
again, why are you online on saturday? you ought to shut down your computer and tend to the commandments of the mosaic sabbath. and you ought to stone to death anyone who profanes it.
are you without sin?
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well think what you like i dont get told what to do by you God directs my steps not you.
apparently not. you're not keeping the mosaic sabbath as it was commanded. you're posturing. unless you're merely esteeming one day over another. in which case we agree. you your day, and i mine.
you still haven't answered the most basic question that a true christian will answer correctly.
are you without sin?
Let us speak through scripture and then let us see if there can be any reconciliation on this glorious sabbath day.
Jude 1:17-23
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
A call to persevere
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. [SUP]18 [/SUP]They said to you, ‘In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.’ [SUP]19 [/SUP]These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]21 [/SUP]keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Be merciful to those who doubt; [SUP]23 [/SUP]save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear – hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.[SUP][a]
No i do not claim to be with out sin or better than any one i only encourage people to stop sinning and to honor the sabbath and to keep the peace amen.
a child of does not live in the past he is a new creation
Jude means if you mock people then your not likely to have the spirit
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Jude 1:17-23
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
A call to persevere
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. [SUP]18 [/SUP]They said to you, ‘In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.’ [SUP]19 [/SUP]These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]21 [/SUP]keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Be merciful to those who doubt; [SUP]23 [/SUP]save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear – hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.[SUP][a]
No i do not claim to be with out sin or better than any one i only encourage people to stop sinning and to honor the sabbath and to keep the peace amen.
a child of does not live in the past he is a new creation
Jude means if you mock people then your not likely to have the spirit
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Thank you for defending my post 1265 & 1266 , Phil122 twisted it/them and Zen has now, more or less has defended me, I think.? It is very confusing.! But, Zen, you need to answer the question, are you above sinning? I am not , I do sin, more than I wish to, but try to keep short accounts with God and confess my sins. It is hard to know if they are addressing me or someone else; But lets move on , to clear thinking, sorry for the confusion. Zen, I agree with much you say; but if you think you are sinlessly perfect, you need to repent of the thought. Love to all Hoffco
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Some believers consider themselves without sin because Yeshua is seen in them by the Father and not their unperfected selves.
All who come to Yeshua know they are sinners. As Paul confesses of himself, though his body is dead because of sin, he is alive because of Yeshua. He said he does the very thing he hates. I believe this is true to some degree in all believers, that is in all who confess Yeshua as Lord and Salvation.
As far as people deciding to arrive at some kind of glorious determination by asking someone if they feel they have no sin or if they are above sinning is inquisitorial, inappropriate, and somewhat false.
No matter what a person should respond to such a question will appear, that is appear, to have placed him in a corner.
It would be appropriate to confess your own understanding and your own attitude about your sinful self, for another to be able to know what you truly desire. Myself, I am a sinner, regarded by the Almighty God as without the guilt of sin because I claim the Blood of His Precious Lamb. This does not mean I do not slip up, but not habitually. Yeshua is my innocence. There, I have confessed, now why not everyone else without casting dispersions on family in Yeshua?
All who come to Yeshua know they are sinners. As Paul confesses of himself, though his body is dead because of sin, he is alive because of Yeshua. He said he does the very thing he hates. I believe this is true to some degree in all believers, that is in all who confess Yeshua as Lord and Salvation.
As far as people deciding to arrive at some kind of glorious determination by asking someone if they feel they have no sin or if they are above sinning is inquisitorial, inappropriate, and somewhat false.
No matter what a person should respond to such a question will appear, that is appear, to have placed him in a corner.
It would be appropriate to confess your own understanding and your own attitude about your sinful self, for another to be able to know what you truly desire. Myself, I am a sinner, regarded by the Almighty God as without the guilt of sin because I claim the Blood of His Precious Lamb. This does not mean I do not slip up, but not habitually. Yeshua is my innocence. There, I have confessed, now why not everyone else without casting dispersions on family in Yeshua?
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I have been in the Philippines for 6 yrs and have found the philippine mindset to be very proud. like my first wife of 40 good yrs, she would never confess his sins, she never cried when her parents died, she always condemned me ,but she never was at fault, To her diing day she would never defend me. She could never risk losing the friendship of our oldest daughter, who hated me with passion, even to this day, she won't speak to me, I was a very strong ,bull headed father. demanding obedience. Pride will not answer a direct shaming question. Love to all. Hoffco
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The New Testament, being perfect, has come and allowed me to be whole by the blood of Christ. Sorry to hear you are still in part.
If experience has taught me anything, your daughter will one day realize you are an excellent father. That is if she ever sits down and thinks about the rules and your motivation. The rules are for our own good, and the motivation is love.
Oh how I hated it when my father did not allow me to go to the CIF football championship at the L.A. Coloseum, but in retrospect, he did it out of love, and at the time, I did not like his decision at all, but now I know any time that happened it was his love for his son, and I thank God for my father always.
Oh how I hated it when my father did not allow me to go to the CIF football championship at the L.A. Coloseum, but in retrospect, he did it out of love, and at the time, I did not like his decision at all, but now I know any time that happened it was his love for his son, and I thank God for my father always.
this passive-aggressive posing, claiming to have me on ignore, then speaking to my posts over my head won't do.
are you holier because you use Yeshua and faith of abraham? lofty self-righteousness. typical.
in reality, it appears you're ashamed to be called a christian. you don't believe God ordained the New Covenant would go out to the world in the so-hated (by your sect) gentile language - GREEK. you, like the rabbis who still hate the messiah, believe hebrew is a holy language preferred by God. but he has put your kind of wisdom to shame, has he not? indeed he has.
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Thank you, to JaumeJ, I needed that praise. We are having growth pains in our church and times can be tring. I don't have all the answers and we need to move ahead on developing teachers , we could experience good growth, if we can get the native help. We to work with the good group of people we have. We just had a discipleship study with the teens and did great. They are shy and need a lot of encouragement. I love the work here i our Urban poor village, they are dirt poor and it costs me all my income ,retirement, to do the work, but it is worth it all. I have just dropped my USA ins. plan and never plan to return to the USA. Love to all Hoffco
you are right pride hates to admit sin.
but is admitting all have sin a direct shaming question? no, it's a broom that sweeps away all this posturing that this or that is greater in the kingdom (bread crumbs, sabbath-keeping, festivals, boasting about any good works, etc).
any truly justified person who knows Christ admits readily they know they still have sin. they also admit they hate it and struggle against it.