AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

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to save you the trouble of worrying about the link i have copied and pasted from this site here ya go.

[h=3]The 7 'I AMs' of Jesus![/h]
Those "Christians" who think of the Lord Jesus Christ as just a great man who never really claimed to be God need to confront His amazing statement to the scribes and Pharisees there in Jerusalem when they were berating Him in the temple. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day," He said. Then, when they questioned that assertion, He went on to insist that "Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:56,58).
This was such a bold claim to deity, that they immediately prepared to stone Him for what they thought was blasphemy. But He somehow "hid Himself," (v.59) and escaped.
Of course, if He was not God, what He said was blasphemous, which was a capital crime under the Mosaic law (Leviticus 24:16). He was actually claiming to be the God to whom Moses spoke at the burning bush, when he asked God what His name was. God had answered that His name was "I AM" (Exodus 3:14)—that is, He is the God who is eternally self-existent, transcendent to time as well as to space and matter. And that was who Jesus was claiming to be!
But what about His claim that He and Abraham had seen each other, and that Abraham rejoiced to see His day? Abraham's time was centuries before that of even Moses.
That claim probably was in reference to the very critical time when "the word of the Lord[that is, the pre-incarate Christ] came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward" (Genesis 15:1).
This was the very first of His great "I am" claims, as He promised to be both Protector and Provider to Abraham in a strange and hostile land.
It is fascinating to note the frequency of such "I am" claims in the Bible after this first one, and how they occur in multiples of seven, a fact which seems possibly designed—not by the human authors, of course, but by the Holy Spirit who inspired them (that is, of course, assuming my own somewhat arbitrary countings are correct).
For example, there are seven "I am"s in the Book of Genesis, the first being Genesis 15:1, as already noted. The second is in Genesis 15:7, where God, speaking to Abraham, said simply:"I am the Lord." The word, "Lord," of course, is the Hebrew Yahweh (or Jehovah), and carries essentially the same meaning as "I Am," or "The One Who Is."
Then, there are 21 (i.e., 3x7) "I am"s in the Book of Exodus, including the divine answer to Moses, already mentioned, "I AM THAT I AM" (Exodus 3:14).
The wonderful Book of Psalms contains seven "I am"s that speak prophetically and sadly of the future sufferings of the incarnate Christ. These are:

  1. "I am a worm, and no man" (Psalm 22:6).
  2. "I am poor and needy" (Psalm 40:17).
  3. "I am . . . a stranger unto my brethren" (Psalm 69:8).
  4. "I am full of heaviness" (Psalm 69:20).
  5. "I am poor and sorrowful" (Psalm 69:29).
  6. "I . . . am as a sparrow alone upon the house top" (Psalm 102:7).
  7. "I am withered like grass" (Psalm 102:11).
These all occur in psalms that are specifically known to be Messianic psalms (thus referring to Christ) because they are quoted as such in the New Testament.
The prophetical books abound in "I am" statements by the Lord. The second division of Isaiah, for example, (Isaiah 40-66) contains 35 such claims (7x5). The first is Isaiah 41:4. "I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am He." The last is Isaiah 60:16. ". . . I the Lord am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob." However, the first division of Isaiah, which has a different theme than the second division, has no such "I am" statements.
The Book of Ezekiel contains 70 of these great assertions (more than any other single book). Jeremiah contains 21 of these statements. Then, all the smaller prophetical books of the prophets have a total of 21 "I am"s. All told, the 17 prophetical books contain a total of 154 (22x7) of God's great "I am" claims.
The final such claim in the Old Testament is found in Malachi 3:6, in which God appropriately reminds everyone that "I am the Lord, I change not." He is the great "I AM," the self-existent God. We must remember always that our own personal Savior and Lord Jesus Christ has revealed to us that He Himself is that same great I AM.
It is in the Gospel of John, however, that the most beautiful and personally meaningful "I am"s are found. There are seven of these, as follows:

  1. "I am the bread of life" (John 6:35,48,51).
  2. "I am the light of the world" (John 8:12).
  3. "I am the door of the sheep"(John 10:7,9).
  4. "I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11,14).
  5. "I am the resurrection, and the life" (John 11:25).
  6. "I am the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6).
  7. "I am the true vine" (John 15:1,5).
How anyone could hear or see these claims and then still deny that they were claims to deity is a great mystery. For example, how could anyone except God Himself claim to be the way, the truth, and the life?
Well, maybe a madman might make such a claim, or maybe a gross scam artist of some kind. But no honest, sane person could ever do so—unless the claim were true!
That is the choice. Either Jesus Christ was mad or wicked—or else He truly is the way, the truth, and the life. He is the one way to reach God, the incarnate truth about God, and the only real giver of eternal life with God. One will come to the same conclusion as he examines each of these seven great "I Am" claims.
The Lord Jesus Christ is "very God of very God," as the old creeds expressed it. God "created all things by Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 3:9) and it is "in Him we live, and move, and have our being" (Acts 17:28). Furthermore, it is He who has "made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself" (Colossians 1:20).
Look also at the remarkable claim in John 11:25-26: "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
Death has always been man's great enemy. It always seems a great tragedy and sorrow when a loved one dies, and people generally try to stay alive as long as possible. But Jesus claims to be able to restore one's life even after he dies, and then to keep him alive forever! What a preposterous claim for any mortal man to make!
Yet He demonstrated His ability to do just that when He Himself defeated death, rising bodily from the grave on the third day. After all, He is the I AM, the self-existent One! Therefore He is fully able to make good on His promise to those who come to Him for forgiveness and salvation, "Because I live," He says, "ye shall live also" (John 14:19).
There are also seven great "I am" statements in the Book of Revelation, and one of the key verses of this set has to do with His resurrection. "I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" (Revelation 1:18).
"Believest thou this?" He would ask today, just as He asked Martha long ago as she was grieving over the death of her brother, Lazarus (John 11:26). How could anyone doubt the overwhelming evidence of Christ's victory over death (the evidence of the empty tomb, the many post-resurrection appearances, the transformation of the disciples, the testimony of 2000 years of hosts of lives also transformed through faith in Him)? Many have believed, of course, but there are multitudes who have not, and for them there is the dread prospect awaiting them of an eternity without God. "If ye believe not that I am He [but "He" is not in the original; Jesus just said, `I am'], ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24).
It is significant that the other six "I am"s in Revelation also stress His eternal existence, from eternity to eternity.
Note the list below: (the first one with the remaining six)

  1. "I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" (Revelation 1:18)
  2. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending" (Revelation 1:8).
  3. "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (Revelation 1:11).
  4. "Fear not; I am the first and the last" (Revelation 1:17).
  5. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" (Revelation 21:6).
  6. "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Revelation 22:13).
  7. "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star"(Revelation 22:16).
Our glorious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to whom we have trusted our eternal souls, is more than just a great religious teacher who was martyred for His faith long ago. He is alive on His throne in heaven, having defeated death forever. He was our great Creator, our sin-bearing Savior and will be our eternal Lord and King.
 
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there is only one great i am before you accuse me but go ahead if you must:)
 
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You know how to shut a law keeper? start talking about tithes.
Want to know how to put a law lover on a diet?

Answer: Tell them locusts are kosher. That can turn any obese glutton anorexic in a heart beat.
(Not to mention herring in sour cream or gefilte fish [ground carp with bread crumbs], both favs among Jews.. :s)
 
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wow no wonder where in trouble

oh my goodness i just herd a evil doctrine from a person who claims to be a born again christian

He said that im born again and i still continue to lust over women and hes married now please tell me if a man is lusting over a women does that not mean when they come together he is just treating her like a rug basically. and hes preaching this too and none said anything

love is about romance when a man and a women kiss its because they love each other and then what happens in my relationship its a sacred place for me and it means something,, there is no lust because that would be treating my wife like a door mat.
i would just like to re-quote on this thiis person had nothing said to him who was preaching this.
but the person who talked about not sinning any more before him got his head ripped of and shouted at, can anyone see whats wrong here (pack of wolves) -*
 
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Ahh! Once more the art of bait and switch. We are discussing the language used in teaching Jews at the time of Yeshua. It was Hebrew/Aramaic. As for the New Testament being written originally in Greek, well, people have taught that since it was first compiled long after the Apostles.......
i suspect you want to deny the divine choice of koine greek. you'd be in the company of the rival religion rabbinic judaism which despised Jesus Christ. if i am wrong, please clarify your position. you said people "have taught that" the new testament was compiled in greek "since it was first compiled LONG AFTER THE APOSTLES.

do you really beleive the apostles wrote in hebrew and somebody came along and translated into greek against God's will?



Since Late Antiquity, once attributed to a Council of Jamnia, mainstream rabbinic Judaism rejected the Septuagint as valid Jewish scriptural texts. Several reasons have been given for this. First, some mistranslations were claimed. Second, the Hebrew source texts used for the Septuagint differed from the Masoretic tradition of Hebrew texts, which was chosen as canonical by the Jewish rabbis.[25] Third, the rabbis wanted to distinguish their tradition from the newly emerging tradition of Christianity.[19][26] Finally, the rabbis claimed for the Hebrew language a divine authority, in contrast to Aramaic or Greek—even though these languages were the lingua franca of Jews during this period (and Aramaic would eventually be given the same holy language status as Hebrew).[27]

footnote 27 - Mishnah Sotah (7:2–4 and 8:1), among many others, discusses the sacredness of Hebrew, as opposed to Aramaic or Greek. This is comparable to the authority claimed for the original Arabic Koran according to Islamic teaching. As a result of this teaching, translations of the Torah into Koine Greek by early Jewish Rabbis have survived as rare fragments only.

Pre-Christian Jews, Philo and Josephus considered the Septuagint on equal standing with the Hebrew Masoretic text.[30] [31]

The Early Christian Church used the Greek texts[33] since Greek was a lingua franca of the Roman Empire at the time

Septuagint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


i just noticed your private message to me saying "Ignored."
my feelings are hurt. but carry on we will.
 
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here is your anwser,,

mathew 5:19
,Jesus Fulfills the Law
18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


please how long are people going to be allowed to preach they stiil lust and there a born again christian and how long are people going to get there head ripped of here for preaching differently (the right way) lusting over your wife means your wife may as well be a prostitute.

when you preach this you may as well be doing this mathew 5:19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

and when you preach i stil lust and im born again this you have to be carfeul of this
The Greatest in the Kingdom
5"And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
 
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it is a mortal sin to preach its ok to sin and claim to be a child of God
 

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it is a mortal sin to preach its ok to sin and claim to be a child of God
Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Romans 4:15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


This means that we should strive to let the Holy Spirit guide us, not that we are free to sin.
 
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Jewish Koine Greek
Jewish Koine Greek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Henry Joel Cadbury The making of Luke-Acts – Page 116 1968 "Septuagint and other Jewish Greek writings as well, seemed to represent a distinct dialect of Greek. The differences between the sacred writers were less than those which existed between all of them taken together and pagan Greek, whether the ... there is no evidence that Jews spoke a Greek that differed extensively and uniformly from the language of other nationals."
 
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Originally Posted by Zinzerio
wow no wonder where in trouble

oh my goodness i just herd a evil doctrine from a person who claims to be a born again christian

He said that im born again and i still continue to lust over women and hes married now please tell me if a man is lusting over a women does that not mean when they come together he is just treating her like a rug basically. and hes preaching this too and none said anything

love is about romance when a man and a women kiss its because they love each other and then what happens in my relationship its a sacred place for me and it means something,, there is no lust because that would be treating my wife like a door mat.

Originally Posted by Zinzerio


i would just like to re-quote on this thiis person had nothing said to him who was preaching this.
but the person who talked about not sinning any more before him got his head ripped of and shouted at, can anyone see whats wrong here (pack of wolves) -*


Originally Posted by Zinzerio



mathew 5:19

,Jesus Fulfills the Law
18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


please how long are people going to be allowed to preach they stiil lust and there a born again christian and how long are people going to get there head ripped of here for preaching differently (the right way) lusting over your wife means your wife may as well be a prostitute.

when you preach this you may as well be doing this mathew 5:19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

and when you preach i stil lust and im born again this you have to be carfeul of this
The Greatest in the Kingdom
5"And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Originally Posted by Zinzerio



it is a mortal sin to preach its ok to sin and claim to be a child of God

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Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Romans 4:15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


This means that we should strive to let the Holy Spirit guide us, not that we are free to sin.
what are you saying here are you agreeing its ok to preach its ok to sin ?
 
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What's the matter zin, not getting enough attention at home?
 

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As we know the Jews keep the commandments and they keep the sabbath,

Now it is said that many Christians of today do not keep the sabbath what are your Thoughts please.
It is said that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. The only conclusion then is that we're all Jewtiles. :cool: But Jewtiles should listen to the voice of God and obey all of his words that have merit. Some of us Jewtiles differ on which of his words have merit. I go to one extreme and say they all do.
 
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It is said that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ. The only conclusion then is that we're all Jewtiles. :cool: But Jewtiles should listen to the voice of God and obey all of his words that have merit. Some of us Jewtiles differ on which of his words have merit. I go to one extreme and say they all do.
who here has said any of God's words don't have merit?
 
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no i am a jewtile and im showing mercy on the sabbath and im healing my brothers:) call that working if you like
i call that boasting. sabbath-keepers on the internet hassling non-sabbath-keepers? i hardly think that's keeping the commandment. should you be online at all?
 
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i call that boasting. sabbath-keepers on the internet hassling non-sabbath-keepers? i hardly think that's keeping the commandment. should you be online at all?
i call your statement being hurt by the truth:) should you be online at all.
 
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i call your statement being hurt by the truth:) should you be online at all.
hurt by the truth? no son, not at all. here's the truth.

Colossians 2
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[a] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

so, if you lprefer the shadow to the substance, i'm not judging you for that. i'm determining your false teaching that any christian is bound to any festivals or new moons or sabbaths.

now run along and rest.
 
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no i am a jewtile and im showing mercy on the sabbath and im healing my brothers:) call that working if you like
Go talk to the New Zealanders. They think it's sunday.