Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

He did His part, now you and I must do ours :

John 14:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

My part is beleive and be, standing steadfast in the faith delivered me and putting no confidence in the flesh whatsoever, this is mainly my own that i have by Faith belief my flesh is dead to sin and alive to God daily dying to self at the cross, co-crucified with Christ so that I can see the new life given me by Father.
The work you are called to do is the hard work to understand how to enter his rest Read Hebrews 3 and 4 and rest from yuor works as God is rested since the foundation of this world

 

[homwardbound]

He did His part, now you and I must do ours :

John 14:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

My part is done I beleive God at God's word, where by he has through Son's death made me perfect in his sight
Col 1:21-23 and I stand in what he has done and am unmoveable in the Gospel that Paul delivers here
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[homwardbound]

Lets continue from the verse 22 :

Colossians 1:22-23 (NKJV) [SUP]22 [/SUP] in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight-- [SUP]23 [/SUP] if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

So indeed the "if" in verse 23 indeed puts condition on continued salvation, you can in fact lose your salvation.

I do and God knows who is who, so do you not continue in the Faith or beleive that by Christ you are made Holy in the presence of Father to get new life a gift from Father in the Spirit of Father?
Sorry you must be under a lot of stress if you do not beleive what God has said is!!!!!!!!!!
I was there once, and did not give up, and Father showed me truth over the error I was in, that it appears you are in now/
Only you and God know along with all those you have harmed tha tyou have not gone to and told them you are sorry for harming them especially those that do not know it was you, are you guilty, God knows
Love you deeper than you seem to know

 

[homwardbound]

You cannot take verses out of context, this is what you must do to come close to finding Perseverance of the Saints.

Keep working at it, If god permit you will come to maturity. maybe you read Hebrews 5:11-6:6 and you tell us what this means, being unskillful, in the meat of the word and have need to be taught all over again, mif God permit, let us move ointo perfection, maturity Brother.
But you decide if this id for you or not, I can't for you, I can only put it out there, your choice to drink or not
Thanks and love you regardless

 

[Cassian]

It is not our faith or our works but the faith of Christ and the works of Christ. Gal 2:16, Phil 3:9

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Both of your citations is speaking about the faith of a believer justifying him.

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus work was finished, not yours :

John 14:21 (NKJV) He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."

he gave you commands, you must keep them, he did his work, now you must do yours.

Jesus' work was and is finished for you and all that beleive period. Christ had no need to do this for self ever and never preached of self, all glory from him went to Father and never self, he did the works of Father and never claimed them of the self, get it I pray. Maybe get out of the self centered arrogance flesh casts upon us all and be dead to flesh with Chirst's death to flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God

 

[homwardbound]

Again, you contradict yourself, Col 1:23 says you can lose your salvation, the epistle was written to saints :

Colossians 1:2 (NKJV) To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Sorry that you are not a Saint then, I am by God the Father through the Son's Christ finished work at the cross, where I am buried with him through Baptism of the Spirit of God and raised back to life by the operation of God in the Spirit of God, where today is the only way Father is worshiped in Spirit and truth

 

[Cassian]

John the Baptist witnessed Christ and said:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Ask this in whose sight? Did this take place at Christ's death again in whose sight?

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So in seeing this what are we to do, since by Christ's death we are made Holy to Father? Do we believe Father and remain steadfast or do we work at it?

Can anyone make themselves better than Holy already done by Son at the cross in his death?
It is done, this is a reality, and it matters not what anyone does, slice, dice or cube it
God through Son went to the cross for us all and died for us all, and is now waiting for us to beleive God and stand firm in this truth, steadfast it is all God and none of anyone else period read all of Col 1 and see that this is the Gospel

But Christ's work was for mankind. He justified, reconciled all men to God through His death and resurrection. That does not make you a believer. And simply believing what Christ did does not save a man either. it justifies a man.

 

[homwardbound]

What is this a list of proof texts taken randomly that have the word, flesh and spirit in them?

Some are not even applicable to the discussion.
On the other hand, none of them are regarding flesh at all. The question is does one's work in faith augment salvation (through faith) or is one saved by faith alone.

All works that come from Faith alone are the by product of Faith in love and the tree is identified by its fruit
Love to all is this fruit dead to flesh sin and alive to God by the operation of God alone through Faith in this works are done by God through us, The same as was for Christ he did nothing without God the Father's lead period
Praying God reveals this truth to you if God permit

 

[homwardbound]

You are completely out of context of the thread. This is what Christ accomplished for us. He saved the world/mankind from death and sin. The discussion is NOT about what Christ did, but man's reponse to what Christ did for us and what He requires IF we desire to be in union with Him.

I am in context to the op and sorry you do not see the context, the response is I beleive and do by what God leads me to do and not man

 

[homwardbound]

You have a complete misunderstanding of salvation. There is not a single human being that has NOT been redeemed by the Blood of Christ. Col 1:20 which you cited before, as well as John 6:39 attests to it. Every single human being has been given life, Rom 5:18, II Cor 15:22. This is the Gift of salvation (from death and sin). This life is the reversal of the death man suffered through Adam.

No all have been died for and have been cleansed, yet no one is saved by death, one still needs life and that is through death
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Why do you test the patience of God? God just simply love you, time to respond as King David did:
Psalm 100:4
Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

 

[homwardbound]

You have the same problem that homwardbound. He does not understand the difference of works of the law, which pertains to man saving himself from death and sin, which Christ did for us, from having been saved, man can now rejoin Christ in a union now and for eternity that is dependent on what man does with the Gift of salvation. What we are discussing here has NOTHING to do with the work of Christ. Man cannot effect or affect anything Christ did. What Christ did, has nothing directly to do with what is required of man, IF we decide to enter into Christ.
What Christ did for us, makes it possible for man to be united with God again. It has to do with why man was created in the first place. It has to do with what Adam was supposed to do before he sinned, and lost life for us all.

What can man do? if man can then there was no need for Christ ever and we all are still in our sins and what Paul, peter, James and John preached is not so?

 

[homwardbound]

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Notice who baptizes with HS and Fire (and you better pray you never experience the baptism of fire)

Jesus alone baptizes with HS,

Now look at what the disciples were commissioned to do :

 Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Now pay attention, before you ask me to have the Lord explain things to me, you may take your own advice, see closely where they were told to "Go" and "make disciples of all nations" now notice here, He said "baptizing them" and who did he tell to baptize? He told His disciples to to baptize... His disciples CANNOT baptize with the HS only Christ can, notice He did not say "Go therefore and I'll make disciples of all nations, Ill baptize them"

HS and Fire baptism can ONLY be done by Christ, water baptism (the only saving baptism of Eph. 4:5) is done by men.

You said what I already said. I have been baptized by the fire of the Holy Ghost from God, I asked and gotm it and it was not pretty going through the fire yet worth it

 

[homwardbound]

Both of your citations is speaking about the faith of a believer justifying him.

How else are we justified
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

 

[Cassian]

What can man do? if man can then there was no need for Christ ever and we all are still in our sins and what Paul, peter, James and John preached is not so?

man can do what he was created to do. Christ did not do the work that was created for you as a human being placed into this world to do.

Christ saved you and every other human being, including the world, from death and sin. That is what you could not do. Christ did that for us, so that as God, He could once again be joined with man, which we do by and through faith, to be co-workers, co-reconcilers in this world with Him.

 

[homwardbound]

But Christ's work was for mankind. He justified, reconciled all men to God through His death and resurrection. That does not make you a believer. And simply believing what Christ did does not save a man either. it justifies a man.

Saved by Faith in the finished works of Christ unto Father we are delivered holy to recieve the new life from Father a fgift to those that believe from Father
Sorry you seem to not fully beleive and have doubt in you got to do something more than Believe and receive and see
No works other that Christ's ever pleased God, and no other works will ever.
God is a Spirit and can only be worshiped in Spirit sand truth.

 

[Cassian]

How else are we justified
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

we are justified by faith, our faith.
Your citations here are all speaking of those who have been justifed, the just, and we are to live by that faith. It is all in the living. Your citation of Heb 10:38 even warns of turning away, drawing back, and if one does, God will have no pleasure in him. A very stern warning. So a believer can lose faith, and no longer be justifed by his faith because he is no longer living through that faith.

 

[homwardbound]

man can do what he was created to do. Christ did not do the work that was created for you as a human being placed into this world to do.

Christ saved you and every other human being, including the world, from death and sin. That is what you could not do. Christ did that for us, so that as God, He could once again be joined with man, which we do by and through faith, to be co-workers, co-reconcilers in this world with Him.

Agreed and is what I have been saying it is all God ans none of me except for me to be like a water glass for God to use me whenever God sees fit to use me, just as I do with a water glass I use it when I decide to
Get it no praise to me all praise and worship to God through Son, Thank you very much, might be starting to communicate truth to each other praise you Brother

 

[Cassian]

Saved by Faith in the finished works of Christ unto Father we are delivered holy to recieve the new life from Father a fgift to those that believe from Father

believing in the finished work justifies one. However that text is not speaking about believers. It is addressing the work of Christ which was for every human being. All men were reconciled to God through Christ. This is the gift of Rom 5:14 and Rom 5:18.

Sorry you seem to not fully beleive and have doubt in you got to do something more than Believe and receive and see

Yes, absolutely, we need to follow, to obey, to love, to endure the trials and pitfalls of life and not wilt but remain steadfast in our faith so that we can inherit eternal life with Christ.

No works other that Christ's ever pleased God, and no other works will ever.
God is a Spirit and can only be worshiped in Spirit sand truth.

which is not relevant to the discussion. It is about faith and the works done through our faith.

 

[homwardbound]

we are justified by faith, our faith.
Your citations here are all speaking of those who have been justifed, the just, and we are to live by that faith. It is all in the living. Your citation of Heb 10:38 even warns of turning away, drawing back, and if one does, God will have no pleasure in him. A very stern warning. So a believer can lose faith, and no longer be justifed by his faith because he is no longer living through that faith.

Or maybe he was on his way to discover the whole truth and be translated to see the new life in whole and had not reached that yet and walked away thinking too hard to attain as many have done this and not lasted through the troubles on this earth
[h=3]John 16:33[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]33 [/SUP]These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

And so this shows the part to stand firm in the Faith and one will see through if they stand and believe no matter what as shown in so many passages in the word, such as Job a big one
Tell me will you deny Christ when the tuff comes on you or will you stand as Job did and never denied God, as god said in Chapter one Job would not deny him and Job did not?


Just a little thinking to think about, are you ready to go to the death for Christ?