AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[Vaudeville]

I don't see the Holy Spirit as not working with us to live as Christ led us to live, to follow commandments. I understand that following those commandments doesn't save us as everyone points out, but Christ never said that his salvation was based on our following Him exactly, it is based on our faith in Him to lead us correctly.

salvation is based on what Jesus Christ has done for us, which is having reconciled us to God.

You have to spiritually disobey God if your physical doing doesn't follow your spiritual. You have to be in rebellion to not honor the Sabbath, the spiritual and what you do, in that case is hand in glove.

Hebrews 4
4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

you clearly never understood the day of rest, even though the works were finished from the foundation of the earth.
Christ IS the sabbath. enter his rest.

 

[RedTent]

The Holy Spirit is what gives us the understanding of Christ. It is with this understanding of Christ by the Holy Spirit that we can see that the Levitical Priesthood has passed away. A much better Priesthood is here.

So if we have a much better Priesthood in the Lord Jesus Christ what would be the point of going back to the old one to try and follow it? Extra righteousness??? Why would you go back and try to earn what the Lord Jesus has given to us as His Gift? Un-belief is the only reason I can think of. Can you think of a better one?

Why is learning what scripture teaches "going back". Learning about God has nothing to do with going back, it is understanding God. By refusing to be taught, refusing scripture you are refusing to go forward in Christ.

Again, learning what the priesthood given before, that Christ made better, has absolutely nothing to do with "earn what Jesus has given us". That is a completely different thought requiring different truths. Trying to connect them is just making truth not truth.

 

[Vaudeville]

Why is learning what scripture teaches "going back". Learning about God has nothing to do with going back, it is understanding God. By refusing to be taught, refusing scripture you are refusing to go forward in Christ.

Again, learning what the priesthood given before, that Christ made better, has absolutely nothing to do with "earn what Jesus has given us". That is a completely different thought requiring different truths. Trying to connect them is just making truth not truth.

now you've switched to "learning" instead of "doing"? this sect is among the most dishonest.

 

[RedTent]

salvation is based on what Jesus Christ has done for us, which is having reconciled us to God.



Hebrews 4
4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

you clearly never understood the day of rest, even though the works were finished from the foundation of the earth.
Christ IS the sabbath. enter his rest.

If you understand all about the day of rest that scripture teaches, then you have it different that scripture. I take what scripture says, not your opinions. There is a LOT of scripture that talks of this, and if you would be correct, then we have a God who is not eternal but changes in keeping with our kind of time.

 

[Vaudeville]

If you understand all about the day of rest that scripture teaches, then you have it different that scripture. I take what scripture says, not your opinions. There is a LOT of scripture that talks of this, and if you would be correct, then we have a God who is not eternal but changes in keeping with our kind of time.

yes, i know you dont get it. the scripture teaches Christ is that rest. but you do not believe.

 

[RedTent]

yes, i know you dont get it. the scripture teaches Christ is that rest. but you do not believe.

So! You are in my head, you can judge my belief system! You! who denies much of scripture! can then judge my understanding that includes all scripture and sees God as one true God, never separate? Christ who is with God, so if you know the Father you know the Son. You, who teaches that Christ wasn't from the beginning, that all things are through Him.

 

[phil112]

................. I take what scripture says, not your opinions...........

Tell us what Romans 14:5,6 means, since you understand so well.

 

[RedTent]

Tell us what Romans 14:5,6 means, since you understand so well.

We are to understand scripture as speaking of the spiritual, through the eyes of the Lord not our earthly eyes. We are to put on Christ in all we do.

 

[phil112]

We are to understand scripture as speaking of the spiritual, through the eyes of the Lord not our earthly eyes. We are to put on Christ in all we do.

Can't answer the question, eh?

 

[RedTent]

The Holy Spirit is what gives us the understanding of Christ. It is with this understanding of Christ by the Holy Spirit that we can see that the Levitical Priesthood has passed away. A much better Priesthood is here.

So if we have a much better Priesthood in the Lord Jesus Christ what would be the point of going back to the old one to try and follow it? Extra righteousness??? Why would you go back and try to earn what the Lord Jesus has given to us as His Gift? Un-belief is the only reason I can think of. Can you think of a better one?

God is eternal. To God things do not happen in a time frame, they simply are so. God always knew all about Christ and all Christ would do from the beginning. God knew, when scripture gave all about the Levitical Priest that as soon Christ came in our kind of time, that Christ was our high priest. There was a connection between Christ and that Priest, it is spoken of as a shadow. When we learn of Christ as High Priest, we can be helped to understand when we learn how God taught the Hebrews about the shadow.

It would be terrible to decide with our human brain that the Levitical Priest was not the shadow, but was what Christ is. That wouldn't be truth, and we are to follow truth. But it is also not right to say there is no connection between the two, that also is not truth.

 

[RedTent]

Can't answer the question, eh?

I did. You are not able to understand.

 

[Zinzerio]

We are to understand scripture as speaking of the spiritual, through the eyes of the Lord not our earthly eyes. We are to put on Christ in all we do.

redtent there not intrested in understanding scripture, as this as all kicked of since i said it is mortal sin to teach its ok to sin, redtent look here Matthew 18:6
The Greatest in the Kingdom
…5"And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.


And since then some have not stopped redtent its the sabbath,

I don't know what the issue is maybe thees people are Sunday Sabbaths and they don't like the idea that actually Saturday is the sabbath,

I wished them a happy sabbath and since its boom boom shake shake the room, god bless, i mean seriously it can not be there Sunday Sabbaths is the reason in my head either because if they honor any sabbath the way it should be honored they would not speak to you like this,

but please let it be water of a ducks back for you,, flap and take flight, god bless and peace.

 

[Zinzerio]

Hebrews 7
New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Melchizedek the Priest[/h]7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” [SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.


who is this talking about please because it says after there is no record of Melchizedek father or mother or any of his ancestor's no record of his birth or death he is like the son of God he remains high priest for ever.

 

[Zinzerio]

and he gave Abraham bread and wine and blessed him

 

[Zinzerio]

im now beginning to see until gentiles except Jews there can be no peace, and until Jews excepts gentiles also. and I feel until this happens there can be no new Jerusalem until this happens i feal God will not live among his people, the prohesy of the new heaven and new earth ,, i believe THIS truly and isn't it not worth changing for just to see if may be true ? God bless

 

[Hoffco]

God is eternal. To God things do not happen in a time frame, they simply are so. God always knew all about Christ and all Christ would do from the beginning. God knew, when scripture gave all about the Levitical Priest that as soon Christ came in our kind of time, that Christ was our high priest. There was a connection between Christ and that Priest, it is spoken of as a shadow. When we learn of Christ as High Priest, we can be helped to understand when we learn how God taught the Hebrews about the shadow.

It would be terrible to decide with our human brain that the Levitical Priest was not the shadow, but was what Christ is. That wouldn't be truth, and we are to follow truth. But it is also not right to say there is no connection between the two, that also is not truth.

Yes, God is eternal, but God submits to time , He has created and acts in time ,as He is with us today. You are not submitting to Christ new priesthood; The more you promote going back, the more you show, you are not submitted to Christ's, God's, agenda for us to day, since Christ has destroyed the Old ways of the Mosaic laws, we can not promote those old ways. If you want to do something of the old ways ,personally for yourself only, you are ok with Rom. 14 ,but when you fight for us to follow you , than , you are dead wrong. But Grampa is also dead wrong in promoting "faith only", it was because of unbelief and disobedience, both, were the whole reason why God would not give rest to the old t. sinners. they were lost. God is never purposed to give us total rest in this world, Christ rest, into which we believers are presently entering ,continual action, is OUT OF THIS WORLD on the NEW EARTH> love to all, Hoffco

 

[Vaudeville]

If you understand all about the day of rest that scripture teaches, then you have it different that scripture. I take what scripture says, not your opinions. There is a LOT of scripture that talks of this, and if you would be correct, then we have a God who is not eternal but changes in keeping with our kind of time.

i dont know what your kind of time is.
he came as a man. he did for man what man could not do. he changed everything.

 

[phil112]

I did. You are not able to understand.

You didn't. You will not, because you know it convicts your obstinence of insisting that people observe the sabbath. That is very clear. You are wrong. The bible says so very clearly. Not me. Not John Smith. Not EG. The bible. The bible says "red if one doesn't want to observe the sabbath they don't have to".............And you ignore it. Surely you don't need anyone to tell you what God thinks about ignoring His word, do you?

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You're skating on thin ice, my friend.

 

[Vaudeville]

im now beginning to see until gentiles except Jews there can be no peace, and until Jews excepts gentiles also. and I feel until this happens there can be no new Jerusalem until this happens i feal God will not live among his people, the prohesy of the new heaven and new earth ,, i believe THIS truly and isn't it not worth changing for just to see if may be true ? God bless

until jews and gentiles accept christ they will have no peace.
God has set a day in which he will judge the world. he doesnt need anything to happen first.

 

[phil112]

..................God submits to time ............

God "submits" to no one and nothing.