Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

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john832

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it's a sign of the cross.
Interestingly enough, the cross has a history well before Christ.

Another interesting point is that Rome used several methods for crucifixion...

T shaped instruments
t shaped instruments
X shaped instruments and
I shaped instrumets.

In every case the word for cross in the New Testament is...

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σταυρός
stauros
stow-ros'
From the base of G2476; a stake or post (as set upright), that is, (specifically) a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment); figuratively exposure to death, that is, self denial; by implication the atonement of Christ: - cross.

The indication is that Christ was most likely hung on an upright pale with no cross beam.
 
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Interestingly enough, the cross has a history well before Christ.

Another interesting point is that Rome used several methods for crucifixion...

T shaped instruments
t shaped instruments
X shaped instruments and
I shaped instrumets.

In every case the word for cross in the New Testament is...

G4716
σταυρός
stauros
stow-ros'
From the base of G2476; a stake or post (as set upright), that is, (specifically) a pole or cross (as an instrument of capital punishment); figuratively exposure to death, that is, self denial; by implication the atonement of Christ: - cross.

The indication is that Christ was most likely hung on an upright pale with no cross beam.
I have had several conversations with people from the Mormon faith that say the same thing. I really don't know one way or another. But it is interesting to me that "Tav," being the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, is drawn like a "n" and means "cross sticks." If the blood on the door-posts in Exodus 12 was applied to the top of the door as well as the sides, then the blood would be in the form of this "n" "tav." It means mark "Mark,Sign, signal, and monument. I thought this quite interesting.

The other thing is that I have heard that the stakes were on Calvary's hill permanently, and that the cross beam, weighing about 200lbs would have been the beam carried and attached to the upright with the person nailed to the cross beam as they raised them up. Then the feet would be nailed when the person was in place.
 
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Haven't figured out yet not to put new wine in old wineskins?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

So an unconverted person should not take the Psasover today. To do so risks this...

1Co 11:27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Co 11:29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep.
You're reading things INTO the text that the text DOES NOT SAY. Paul never calls the Lord's supper PASSOVER. Nor can you find anywhere that Jesus or the Apostles ever say that someone who is not PHYSICALLY circumcised may partake of Passover. Jesus GAVE A NEW COVENANT. Passover is part of the OLD COVENANT.
 

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You're reading things INTO the text that the text DOES NOT SAY. Paul never calls the Lord's supper PASSOVER. Nor can you find anywhere that Jesus or the Apostles ever say that someone who is not PHYSICALLY circumcised may partake of Passover. Jesus GAVE A NEW COVENANT. Passover is part of the OLD COVENANT.
Paul plainly says it is NOT the Lord's supper.

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

He says he received from Christ instruction about what He did on His last night...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

Now what did Christ do the night He was betrayed?

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

Now please tell me what else this refers to? Are you intimating that Paul taught the Ishtar celebration instead of Passover?
 

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I have had several conversations with people from the Mormon faith that say the same thing. I really don't know one way or another. But it is interesting to me that "Tav," being the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, is drawn like a "n" and means "cross sticks." If the blood on the door-posts in Exodus 12 was applied to the top of the door as well as the sides, then the blood would be in the form of this "n" "tav." It means mark "Mark,Sign, signal, and monument. I thought this quite interesting.

The other thing is that I have heard that the stakes were on Calvary's hill permanently, and that the cross beam, weighing about 200lbs would have been the beam carried and attached to the upright with the person nailed to the cross beam as they raised them up. Then the feet would be nailed when the person was in place.
Christ carried or drug something up the hill. It could have been a cross beam, but I seriously doubt it was a 200# cross beam.
 

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actually there are four of them and the occur on feast days, the last time this happened, Israel became a nation, then they won the six day war and so on. now they are happening again on feast days such as Passover. what it means, I don't know.
That sounds about right. So yeah, I don't know what that means, if anything. But God did give the sun, moon and stars as markers of times, so who knows what He might be doing throughout this year.
 

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For my brothers and sister who are discussing the physical matzah...

How are you going to pursue your relationship with Yeshua/Jesus this week? If He truly is the "Bread of Life", and is without sin (yeast), and we are supposed to eat unleavened bread all this week, How are you going to partake of Him this week?
 
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Paul plainly says it is NOT the Lord's supper.

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

He says he received from Christ instruction about what He did on His last night...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

Now what did Christ do the night He was betrayed?

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

Now please tell me what else this refers to? Are you intimating that Paul taught the Ishtar celebration instead of Passover?
You keep IGNORING the second half of that verse,

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval. 20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,21for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!

The reason is because they were treating the Lord's Supper as a PRIVATE SUPPER.


Remember John says this

John 18

28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. 29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”

So how is it that the priests did not want to enter the palace because they wanted to EAT THE PASSOVER if the Passover was the EVENING BEFORE THIS? Or was there 2 Passovers that year or what? How do you explain that away?
 

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You keep IGNORING the second half of that verse,

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat,21for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk.22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!

The reason is because they were treating the Lord's Supper as a PRIVATE SUPPER.


Remember John says this

John 18

28Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. 29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”

So how is it that the priests did not want to enter the palace because they wanted to EAT THE PASSOVER if the Passover was the EVENING BEFORE THIS? Or was there 2 Passovers that year or what? How do you explain that away?
What part of the word "NOT" do you not understand? It is not to eat the Lord's supper, it is to do what Christ did on the night He was betrayed...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

Paul says that the instruction Christ gave to him, he was now giving to the church at Corinth and that istruction is the what Christ did on the night He was betrayed...

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

They took the Passover. But instead of me continuing to post scripture that shows this, how about you posting all the scriptures that pertain to an Ishtar sunrise service and the "Lord's supper"?
 

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I's not an easy thing I have found, to reprogram the brain about when the New year begins too. An interesting thing to note about the adversary, he doesn't want us to know what time it is! that makes me want to know all the more.
It gets easier as one practices the truth. One begins to adjust his/her thinking to the calendar that revolves around the Feast Days of God to the point that it becomes natural to think in those terms. The year begins in the spring and days begin at sunset.
 
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What part of the word "NOT" do you not understand? It is not to eat the Lord's supper, it is to do what Christ did on the night He was betrayed...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

Paul says that the instruction Christ gave to him, he was now giving to the church at Corinth and that istruction is the what Christ did on the night He was betrayed...

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

They took the Passover. But instead of me continuing to post scripture that shows this, how about you posting all the scriptures that pertain to an Ishtar sunrise service and the "Lord's supper"?
You're ADDING things to the text the text DOES NOT SAY. Jesus DOES NOT SAY that the meal they are partaking of IS the PASSOVER MEAL. All it says it's His desire to eat this Passover with them. And again HOW DO YOU DEAL with the Gospel of John that VERY PLAINLY SAYS the Priests would NOT enter the palace so they would not become ceremonially unclean so they CAN EAT THE PASSOVER. How is that possible if the Passover was the evening BEFORE?
 
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Cleaning your house and church of traces of yeast sounds too much like a jewish ritual [aka "work of the Law"] to me, so don't count me in. I can do without to properly celebrate Christ's resurrection.
 
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I like to make bread from scratch and let me tellya I think yeast makes the bread, smell and taste better. But I just cant knead the dough and bake it. I have to take the time to let it rise. Which in Israel's case would have most likely cost the life of the one who stayed back waiting for the bread to rise. He or she would have truely been cut off from the rest of Israel.

just my .2 cents.


Have a wonderful Feast as we remember what the outstreched arm and mighty hand of Yehovah has done.
 
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Yes, he did:
Act 16:3 Sha’ul wished to have this one go with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Yehuḏim who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was Greek.

Why would he circumcise someone if he wasn't teaching it?
it says right in there. can you read? because of the stiff-necked jews who would not have accepted timothy without circumcision. paul knew it avials nothing, but had you read any of the new testament with understanding you'd know he became as a jew to win them. it's the only exception we're told of.

It helps to read the entire Bible.
yes it does. can you rwead? read this part and see what the actual message concerning circumcision, and those who preach it is.

Galatians 5
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[a] and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.

3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.

4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.

9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.


11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased. 12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!

I've read all of your posts on here, and what you say makes no sense.
no doubt.

You're accusatory, but accusing nothing. Everything you post supports the Judaic viewpoint, not your Western Christian new age ideal of God.
that's almost funny.
go back and read Galatians 5
the whole book if you can be bothered. there's a curse on your false gospel.

By what you are saying, you are calling your god a liar. You are saying he declared a covenant to be forever, then promptly changed his mind and broke his covenant. Your god is not the same as my god because when my god declares forever, he means forever, not until something better comes along. You worship some other god, the western version of the Sun-god.
well that would make you unable to understand what the bible says, and a liar. i've never said anything such thing about him changing his mind. the mosaic covenant was conditional. you just no clue why the law was brought in, even though it's clearly written for you in the new testament.

what a foolish woman you are. another one. why is it primarily foolish gentile women involved in this false teaching?
newsflash: the people broke the mosaic covenant.

i know my God is not your god. you've been taught to place yourself under a covenant was made obsolete and passed away. but that's your doing.

here's what my God said:

Hebrews 8
8 But God found fault with the people and said[a]:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.

9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors

when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.

10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[b]



13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

I understand your confusion and obvious anger.
you have me confused with someone else. i don't care if you consciously choose to deny the new covenant or not. that's your own doing. teaching it to others will not be tolerated though.

You've been lied to by people you trusted. I'm sorry you've been lied to, but it's your job to study and show yourself approved, and not just agree with the guy in the pulpit because it "feels" good.
as mentioned, please start a thread on any topic you like, you teaching your false religion and false gospel, and we will see who has believed lies. that would be you.

The Bible even predicted you would be lied to: Jer 16:19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.”
what a misuse of that passage. it's talking about idol-worshippers (pagans) who come to know Jesus Christ.

Please educate yourself. Start here: PAUL THE JEW
i'll look over your false doctrine and get back to you. in the meantime, you, like the other foolish women here who are teaching a false gospel, ought to be quiet. or not. i don't care what you personally believe, even though you're under a curse for what you preach.
 

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You're ADDING things to the text the text DOES NOT SAY. Jesus DOES NOT SAY that the meal they are partaking of IS the PASSOVER MEAL. All it says it's His desire to eat this Passover with them. And again HOW DO YOU DEAL with the Gospel of John that VERY PLAINLY SAYS the Priests would NOT enter the palace so they would not become ceremonially unclean so they CAN EAT THE PASSOVER. How is that possible if the Passover was the evening BEFORE?
I have every confidence that Christ KNEW the correct time to establish the New Testament Passover.
 
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I have every confidence that Christ KNEW the correct time to establish the New Testament Passover.
You are reading into the text that it was the Passover meal. Jesus DID NOT SAY IT WAS A PASSOVER MEAL that they were partaking of. All He said was that He wanted to partake of the Passover with the disciples. Nothing more and nothing less. Jesus often talk about something that was coming UP and He was not always talking about that moment.
 

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You're ADDING things to the text the text DOES NOT SAY. Jesus DOES NOT SAY that the meal they are partaking of IS the PASSOVER MEAL.
Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
Luk 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


Some people will fight against the very words of Christ to maintain their traditions. (Reminds me of Mark 7:7-9)

All it says it's His desire to eat this Passover with them. And again HOW DO YOU DEAL with the Gospel of John that VERY PLAINLY SAYS the Priests would NOT enter the palace so they would not become ceremonially unclean so they CAN EAT THE PASSOVER. How is that possible if the Passover was the evening BEFORE?
How do you deal with the above passages from Luke that plainly says it was to eat the Passover?

Since the only place in the entirety of scripture we find the phrase "the Lord's supper" is here...

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

And it is preceded by the word "NOT". How about instead of challenging a doctrine that is established by scripture, please post scripture that says NOT to keep the Passover but rather Ishtar and the "Lord's supper."
 
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Yes, he did:
Act 16:3 Sha’ul wished to have this one go with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Yehuḏim who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was Greek.

Why would he circumcise someone if he wasn't teaching it?

It helps to read the entire Bible. I've read all of your posts on here, and what you say makes no sense. You're accusatory, but accusing nothing. Everything you post supports the Judaic viewpoint, not your Western Christian new age ideal of God.

By what you are saying, you are calling your god a liar. You are saying he declared a covenant to be forever, then promptly changed his mind and broke his covenant. Your god is not the same as my god because when my god declares forever, he means forever, not until something better comes along. You worship some other god, the western version of the Sun-god.

I understand your confusion and obvious anger. You've been lied to by people you trusted. I'm sorry you've been lied to, but it's your job to study and show yourself approved, and not just agree with the guy in the pulpit because it "feels" good. The Bible even predicted you would be lied to: Jer 16:19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.”

Please educate yourself. Start here: PAUL THE JEW
your source is primarily political. enough said.

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Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
Luk 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


Some people will fight against the very words of Christ to maintain their traditions. (Reminds me of Mark 7:7-9)



How do you deal with the above passages from Luke that plainly says it was to eat the Passover?

Since the only place in the entirety of scripture we find the phrase "the Lord's supper" is here...

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

And it is preceded by the word "NOT". How about instead of challenging a doctrine that is established by scripture, please post scripture that says NOT to keep the Passover but rather Ishtar and the "Lord's supper."
You say you know the law yet you still do not understand. What did they need to do to prepare the room and what did they also need to get on that very day? Remember the Jews count the days from SUNSET TO SUNSET. It is really quite clear the last supper was NOT the Passover meal.
 
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I really didn't want to get involved but you bring up the letter to the Hebrews. Whoever wrote this letter to the Hebrew, obviously didn't have the slightest clue as to what the 'new covenant was that Yehovah spoke of.

Behold, the days come, says Yehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was their master, says Yehovah; But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says Yehovah, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Yehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says Yehovah; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will no longer remember their sin.

Thus says Yehovah, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the fixed order of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divides the sea when its waves roar; Yehovah of hosts is his name.

If those ordinances depart from before me, says Yehovah, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus says Yehovah; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth explored below, then I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says Yehovah.


Ol' Vaudeville my favorite prophet the one who entices His first born to follow strange doctrine and other gods. Tell me prophet what are the dimensions of the heavens above? Tell me a story about your exploration of the foundations of the earth below? Then we can talk about abolishing covenants.

You and that writer of the letter to the Hebrews are notorious for contradicting what Yehovah has said and decieving the low information crowd. Apparently neither of you are aware that spiritual matters do not wear out like old garments. Study to show yourself approved prophet and you might have found a correct opinion in Psalm 111:7-8, "The works of His hands are truth and judgment; faithful are all His ordinances; well supported for ever and made with truth and integrity." Equally decided are the words of Isaiah on this subject. He says, chapter 40:8, "Grass drieth up, the flower withereth, but the word of Yehovah shall stand for ever."

I can''t believe you have the audacity to call someone else a false prophet as often as you do. Sheesh, Vaudville even Jesus said the way to eternal life was by aligning oneself to the will of the Creator (Matthew 19:16-19). It's not about legalism, its about having a relationship with a King and Father.

Grow up.
 
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