Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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So to be clear you do not believe God to by Christ's death to have made you right with God. cleansed forgiven?
Originally Posted by homwardbound
So then what do we do about this work of Chirst that states we are made by him in his death Holy:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as it is said either one believes God or does not, so be it Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! still love you regardless
So then what do we do about this work of Chirst that states we are made by him in his death Holy:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
The experience you must have is the experience of the Holy Spirit drawing you to Christ. No man comes to Christ of his or her own accord. Only when God draws through the convicting power of the Holy Spirit acting through the word of God can a person see their need to be saved and their inability to save themselves. John 16:7-13, John 14:6
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
just to be clear because you have a tendency to conflate things. In Col 1:20 Christ by His death reconciled all things.
Now, Paul begins in vs 21 to explain what that means for believers. The meaning of baptism as described in Rom 6:3-4 is that we participate with Christ in His death and resurrection. This is how a believer is reconciled to God, and is made holy and blameless. This is also stated in Eph 1:4 and conformed to His Image in Rom 8:29.
This is our personal salvation. This is what we must accomplish working with the Spirit, and we will be in the last day presented holy, blameless, and conformed to His Image (and here is the important condition) vs 23 IF indeed you CONTINUE IN THE FAITH.
In other words it speaks directly against the notion of "faith only".
Now, Paul begins in vs 21 to explain what that means for believers. The meaning of baptism as described in Rom 6:3-4 is that we participate with Christ in His death and resurrection. This is how a believer is reconciled to God, and is made holy and blameless. This is also stated in Eph 1:4 and conformed to His Image in Rom 8:29.
This is our personal salvation. This is what we must accomplish working with the Spirit, and we will be in the last day presented holy, blameless, and conformed to His Image (and here is the important condition) vs 23 IF indeed you CONTINUE IN THE FAITH.
In other words it speaks directly against the notion of "faith only".
Move slow, I laughed hard out loud, Father please remove the veil for these that are wanting to know you in truth with no other motive just to know you
I laughed because I remember when I was were these are trying so hard for God to be pleased by what they are doing or not doing, whew the stress with no rest, yet now looking back it was worth it, had I not wanted to know so bad, I might not have ever found, and waited right through all the troubles that desperately tried to get me to stop from entering God's rest God has for us all through Son. amazing thank you Father and Son for your Mercy through the cross
So go on all work hard:
Hebrews 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
If you have not entered his rest yet, you might be in the way to enter by trying to do works you think? Talking out of both sides of your mouth, you know if you are in bondage you might be in error, tell you what, you go to God and ask? Plead Mercy and receive For God is Merciful. I cried out for years before I got shown this rest it took more than half a lifetime to come to rest in Father through Son
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[h=3]Hebrews 4:2-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[h=3]Hebrews 4:5[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[h=3]Hebrews 4:6[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
If anyone here has not yet entered his rest, then there is unbelief in you, doubt that keeps you from this free rest in Father Son and Holy Ghost
Truth or error here, you all know already in your own souls which is truth and which is error, here it is truth believe or do not your free conscious choice laid out right here in front of you to decide here and now between God and you
Does God really love you so much that he sent his Son to be in your stead for you to be in Son's stead seen from Father as perfect for new life here and now in the Spirit of Father?
Scripture says so all over the place in scripture written, yet this takes you to search this out, between God and you if you want to know the truth that sets you free? not other men and you or your Church that you probably put Faith in, and have been circumvented by man stepping in between God and you
I personally know this there is only one I can trust and that is Father Son and Holy Ghost, the three as one never bragging of themselves ever as is what flesh carnal minds do
Love you all God's way not man's flesh ways
I laughed because I remember when I was were these are trying so hard for God to be pleased by what they are doing or not doing, whew the stress with no rest, yet now looking back it was worth it, had I not wanted to know so bad, I might not have ever found, and waited right through all the troubles that desperately tried to get me to stop from entering God's rest God has for us all through Son. amazing thank you Father and Son for your Mercy through the cross
So go on all work hard:
Hebrews 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
If you have not entered his rest yet, you might be in the way to enter by trying to do works you think? Talking out of both sides of your mouth, you know if you are in bondage you might be in error, tell you what, you go to God and ask? Plead Mercy and receive For God is Merciful. I cried out for years before I got shown this rest it took more than half a lifetime to come to rest in Father through Son
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[h=3]Hebrews 4:2-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[h=3]Hebrews 4:5[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[h=3]Hebrews 4:6[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
If anyone here has not yet entered his rest, then there is unbelief in you, doubt that keeps you from this free rest in Father Son and Holy Ghost
Truth or error here, you all know already in your own souls which is truth and which is error, here it is truth believe or do not your free conscious choice laid out right here in front of you to decide here and now between God and you
Does God really love you so much that he sent his Son to be in your stead for you to be in Son's stead seen from Father as perfect for new life here and now in the Spirit of Father?
Scripture says so all over the place in scripture written, yet this takes you to search this out, between God and you if you want to know the truth that sets you free? not other men and you or your Church that you probably put Faith in, and have been circumvented by man stepping in between God and you
I personally know this there is only one I can trust and that is Father Son and Holy Ghost, the three as one never bragging of themselves ever as is what flesh carnal minds do
Love you all God's way not man's flesh ways
Here again you are playing fast and loose with the scripture. Paul is not conditioning salvation on continuing in the faith. Paul is urging that these believe the gospel and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel. Paul is talking of discipleship and not trusting in anything short of the gospel. Then as now religious men wanted to impress works upon the gospel of grace. Salvation is not about religion or works but about Christ the Savior.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Thank you that whip felt good friend, felt real good to be reminded that by Christ's stripes I am healed Love you deeper than you know, Thanking Father that Father will never let me go, and no one can snatch me out of his hand, and knowing that any weapon formed against will never prosper
Thank you for all these reminders of not only I am in Christ by belief, yet all that do believe God reveals to them as well in due time if they are still on their way to the whole truth that is as either you are or you are not, God knoweth and I am at rest in that. thanking God for God's blessings to you to show you how deep his love is for you
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Thank you for all these reminders of not only I am in Christ by belief, yet all that do believe God reveals to them as well in due time if they are still on their way to the whole truth that is as either you are or you are not, God knoweth and I am at rest in that. thanking God for God's blessings to you to show you how deep his love is for you
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
That is not waht the title states, it states not of either way
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Re: Salvation Not Possible Without Works[/h]
There is no stating of what type of works, Flesh or Spirit of God works is there, so I rest again and am not after a fight as it so well seems you are, are you?
And if you are; you are only beating the air then, go ahead, I am well thanks to Father through Son and remain steadfast in the fished work for all that beleive God, by Faith I am saved whether I do works or not, if I am ever justified or sanctified by works I would have reason to boast, but not before God
Love to you friend again from God beyond measure
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There is no stating of what type of works, Flesh or Spirit of God works is there, so I rest again and am not after a fight as it so well seems you are, are you?
And if you are; you are only beating the air then, go ahead, I am well thanks to Father through Son and remain steadfast in the fished work for all that beleive God, by Faith I am saved whether I do works or not, if I am ever justified or sanctified by works I would have reason to boast, but not before God
Love to you friend again from God beyond measure
Sorry you still do not know the whole truth that sets one free and relieves one from the stress it seems you are in, been there done that had lost ny first love and needed to return and thanking God to show me truth over error and has set me free in him
Friend are you free or do you still have something in your way that besets you, and makes you strife harder to be one with God? When through God by Son if one believes are made one with Father
Believe go to to BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages. and put in the search beleive and see it is by belief that we are saved by the works of God through Son and we then are responders to this, and God works through us as God did through Son, we are just a vessel, was not Son that as well, just God's vessel? He did nothing unless called said or did nothing unless God said, completely dependent on Father, not ever on self to do the works God called him to do
You might see it and you might not, God will reveal this to you if God decides to, God's will be done not mine, standing grounded and settled in the Faith
Friend are you free or do you still have something in your way that besets you, and makes you strife harder to be one with God? When through God by Son if one believes are made one with Father
Believe go to to BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages. and put in the search beleive and see it is by belief that we are saved by the works of God through Son and we then are responders to this, and God works through us as God did through Son, we are just a vessel, was not Son that as well, just God's vessel? He did nothing unless called said or did nothing unless God said, completely dependent on Father, not ever on self to do the works God called him to do
You might see it and you might not, God will reveal this to you if God decides to, God's will be done not mine, standing grounded and settled in the Faith