Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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The context shows that Simon believed and was baptized and was saved per Christ's own words of Mk 16:16. Simon later sinned by trying to buy the power of the Holy Ghost. Peter commanded him to repent of that sin. You have yet to explain why Peter commanded him to repent if that were forever impossible for Simon to do.
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My response has to be both yes! and no.
You are absolutely right that we must be seeking holiness! But preaching the grace and mercy of our Father, and the depravity of man without the Spirit, is preaching the Gospel.
The issue at hand is not whether or not we should be doing good works, and encouraging others in the same way, but the issue is putting our works as the variable between heaven and hell.
Preaching works is just as dead as preaching workless faith. There is a balance between 'license to sin' and 'legalism'.
If a person has no assurance in their salvation, then how are they even saved? We can have no assurance if our salvation is based on our deeds.
A person who believes that they have lost salvation every time they get stressed in traffic, or when they get angry with a brother, they are not trusting Christ to save. Is that dependence on Christ, or dependence on self?
You are absolutely right that we must be seeking holiness! But preaching the grace and mercy of our Father, and the depravity of man without the Spirit, is preaching the Gospel.
The issue at hand is not whether or not we should be doing good works, and encouraging others in the same way, but the issue is putting our works as the variable between heaven and hell.
Preaching works is just as dead as preaching workless faith. There is a balance between 'license to sin' and 'legalism'.
If a person has no assurance in their salvation, then how are they even saved? We can have no assurance if our salvation is based on our deeds.
A person who believes that they have lost salvation every time they get stressed in traffic, or when they get angry with a brother, they are not trusting Christ to save. Is that dependence on Christ, or dependence on self?
Though I do perceive this the works James is talking abo is in the fruit of the spirit that Christ our lord came to deliver this is the works of God to his salvation that we be not just subject to milk but be introduced to true meat o walk upright for if the newbies are not fortified they are but prey. And worse if they follow doctrine of men and not Christ they are subject to the same faith as these false teachers of false faith so let us be astute and knowledgeable seek to fortify the brethren that their faith be not compromised and be true discerners of the truth a helpmate to each others constantly washing each others feet and clothing and feeding and giving of water to each other that we be well taken care of and strong to enter through the pearly gates , but strong because the right hand of God which is Christ who we have received with great joy ,peace of Christ be unto you
Faith only advocates says one is saved by a dead faith only. They claim it is AFTER one is saved that he does works.
What I am trying to find out from the faith only advocates is this: are those post-salvation works mandatory for the Christian.
If they say "yes" then they are making those post-salvation works necessary to salvation.
If they answer no" then they are saying a Christian does not have to do any works; no repentance, no confession, no baptism, no good works in helping fellow Christians and yet still be saved.....(which of course is not possible).
So this is why they are bouncing around all over the place and trying to avoid giving a simple "yes" or "no" answer to the questions I ask.
What I am trying to find out from the faith only advocates is this: are those post-salvation works mandatory for the Christian.
If they say "yes" then they are making those post-salvation works necessary to salvation.
If they answer no" then they are saying a Christian does not have to do any works; no repentance, no confession, no baptism, no good works in helping fellow Christians and yet still be saved.....(which of course is not possible).
So this is why they are bouncing around all over the place and trying to avoid giving a simple "yes" or "no" answer to the questions I ask.
I do see the same tune is being played by all that the works produced are of faith the very works done out of love not as a burdensome thing but of great joy and remember the Lord loveth a cheerful giver , so let's give from the abundance of our heart to God , a sweet smelling savour of accasia a sweet aloe given to God in a sincere offering this is the mercy that the Lord speaks of that we love our brethren showing love to them as Christ showed love to us being live pillars of hope for them showing them Christ not ourselves that it is Christ glorified and not ourselves
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This is not what I teach, I teach that you will still sin, but you don't have license to sin. You can not serve two masters and your works are clear signs of who you chose to follow. But there is the good news of salvation and to repent when you sin.
I do believe even the worst person can have salvation, but once again that comes back to confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and repentance. So without repentance he will not be forgiven, so the works of repentance is vital.
When I was younger I was a full blown gospel pentecostal preacher then I was fired up but I was in the wrong faith , now I understand faith as all of God's works , I am not winning my salvation but i am living my salvation because I have stopped struggling with my flesh in total surrendering to moold life and alive to God,s works not as necessity bu