Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?

[Skinski7]

Skinski all these things you quote are true and the Spirit manifests this life oin the believer, and the believer sees thier salvation in and of this amd have li98ve and thern from this point on yes to OSAS, this is not true at first for the believer must seek out truth and the scripture you point ouit is true, and in order to accomplish any of what you keep postingcomes from and through Faith in God the Son (Jesus Christ) God the reception the reception of through the Son and then relying on the teacher God The Holy Ghost to show you that you are made perfect from God the Father through God the Son, but this soes not take place until you first agree to die to self not here but back at the cross as the romans did this, thenthey were raised back in the flesh as new flesh in the Spirit of God read it again Romans 6:1-6
Skinski I am dead in the flesh are you? Alive in the Spirit of God are you?. I know that if you do believe that this is true with you already from God the Father's point of view because of his Son Jesus. this is the mystery of the Gospel of Christ laid out in front of you, and as a result of belief in this truth GOD the Father is manifested through the believer and love is is shjed abroad in ones heart the love of God described in 1 Cor 13 and the Law is filled complete, do you get brother? Hoping so.
This is where OSAS IS A FACT JACK, there is no turning back once you know you are dead in the flesh yet you have your flesh which one moves and has thier beiing in the Spirit of God, loving all unconditionally

Howard here are the problems...

1. There are multitudes of people who sincerely believe that they can be in a justified state and thus reconciled to God whilst still engaged in known transgression. The reason they believe this is because they have been taught doctrines which disconnect conduct from justification. Thus the inward heart purity which the Bible teaches (faith purifies the heart) has been eliminated from the gospel they believe thus relegating grace as a cloak for an ongoing rebellious state. Therefore many people are not even coming to an authentic salvation in the first place, they just THINK they are.

2. OSAS is simply not true. Eternal Security is true on the condition that one remains in Christ. Unconditional eternal security is false. Now it may soothe the mind to believe that one is eternally secure apart from any action but the Bible clearly teaches the opposite.

Paul warned about being "cut off" for disobedience (unbelief).

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now one is free to ignore what that verse above plainly states and appeal to the rhetoric of "once a son always a son" or something similar. Yet to do that is simply rejecting the whole counsel of God.

The Bible is full of warnings about "continuing" and "remaining steadfast" and "not drawing back" and "beware of the error of the wicked." If OSAS was indeed true then all those warnings are meaningless because one could not draw back or could not cease to continue/remain steadfast.

So what are you talking about? Alive in the Spirit and dead to the flesh? That goes without saying for the true Christian who has crucified their flesh with the passions and desires and thus no longer live a life according to lustful desires. It's still not OSAS. There is security in Jesus Christ for sure but not "unconditional security."

One CAN draw back.




The only fundamental reason people hold to the view of OSAS is because of a false understanding of what salvation actually is. To them salvation is a simple "position" rather than an actual "state."

 

[homwardbound]

Howard here are the problems...

1. There are multitudes of people who sincerely believe that they can be in a justified state and thus reconciled to God whilst still engaged in known transgression. The reason they believe this is because they have been taught doctrines which disconnect conduct from justification. Thus the inward heart purity which the Bible teaches (faith purifies the heart) has been eliminated from the gospel they believe thus relegating grace as a cloak for an ongoing rebellious state. Therefore many people are not even coming to an authentic salvation in the first place, they just THINK they are.

2. OSAS is simply not true. Eternal Security is true on the condition that one remains in Christ. Unconditional eternal security is false. Now it may soothe the mind to believe that one is eternally secure apart from any action but the Bible clearly teaches the opposite.

Paul warned about being "cut off" for disobedience (unbelief).

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now one is free to ignore what that verse above plainly states and appeal to the rhetoric of "once a son always a son" or something similar. Yet to do that is simply rejecting the whole counsel of God.

The Bible is full of warnings about "continuing" and "remaining steadfast" and "not drawing back" and "beware of the error of the wicked." If OSAS was indeed true then all those warnings are meaningless because one could not draw back or could not cease to continue/remain steadfast.

So what are you talking about? Alive in the Spirit and dead to the flesh? That goes without saying for the true Christian who has crucified their flesh with the passions and desires and thus no longer live a life according to lustful desires. It's still not OSAS. There is security in Jesus Christ for sure but not "unconditional security."

One CAN draw back.




The only fundamental reason people hold to the view of OSAS is because of a false understanding of what salvation actually is. To them salvation is a simple "position" rather than an actual "state."

Yes Skinski the one that doubts always draws back, especially when they do not know truth. And what you used in scripture was about us being grafted in and could be easily grafted out by God not by us if we become proud and boastful God has an elect still his first chosen and us being grafted in by FAITH in God and Faith only without law is to make them Jealous for by Faith the gentile found righteousness without law and the jew (first chosen) did not find righteousness and they strived to obey the law and stumbled over the stone, I have been crushed myself by the chief corner stone my brother with out the law. I do not use this grace as a way for the flesh to have an excuse, yet the flesh wars against the Holy Spirit of truth and until I understood the following physical analogy: and I got this from people to people minstries at real answers.net

A worm crawls along the ground and one day it spins a cocoon. After a little while the cocoon breaks open and out comes a butterfly.
The above is an example of being born again! Tell me will this butterfly ever be a worm again? Will this butterfly always go to the right places? Is it now free to fly? Will it ever crawl on the ground again? Is this now butterfly born again or not?
You see brother how wonderful God is and when one sees this truth how can one not respond with thanks and ask for what to do? We are responders to The Love of God the Father through the Love of his Son Christ who took all sin away before you were ever born here on earth at the cross the final sacrifice and final shedding of blood. That is where the cocoon starts the spin for the believer but most do not get past the fact that they are forgiven before they were ever born here on this earth.
No they continue to ask God to forgive them over and over again and God through the Holy Ghost is trying to tell them that they are forgiven back at the cross of his Son, and when they can get this settled in them that this is true then the cocoon can come to full spin and break open unto new life, no more crawling on the ground, freed to go wherever and not always land in the right place or do the right thing, but what is true is that once born again you will never be a worm again.
Now in this born again state all things are permissable, yet not all things are beneficial, and thus we learn from God the Father our teacher through the Holy Ghost what is beneficial and what is not, therefore we choose what is right in the sight of God, by Faith (trusting) God being forever born again in him.
I am thankful for this and appreciate this, if I did not appreciate or be thankful then I would not be reacting as being born again as a butterfly is from a worm, I would be taking advantage of and thus could be grafted out. This is waht the Corinthians did they took advantage of this miraculous Salvation being all God and none of us. In the 2 cor chapter 7 Paul acknowledges that they have now from his first letter they recieved became over to a Godly sorrow forsaking thier worldly sorrowwhere they just had taken advantage of grace and yet Paulin his opening letter called them Saints in christ Jesus becauise this is how Father views the one that believe as perfect as his Son Christ Jesus wanting you and all to come tomthe saving grace of being a butterfly born again in appreciation of God, and this is what a Godly sorrow is!!!
A good book to read is the 1 cor this was written to them to straighten them out not to put them back under law but to tell them not to take advantage of the Grsce of God and not use it for a liscence to sin since they were past tense already forgiven by God the Father through God the Son and the witness is The Holy Ghost

 

[homwardbound]

Oh and after seeing truth of being born again by changing my mind from unbelief to belief and not ever giving up to know Son, Father and Holy Ghost through all my trials and tribulations in and from this world, God has showed me that he will never leave me bor forsake me, he has shown that no one can snatch me out of his hand. He has shown that no weapon formed against shall ever prosper. He has shown me that nothing can seperate me from his Love.
This is the same thing that he is trying to tell all that he just loves you and this is where people change when they start to see this type of love that is definately not of this world at all.
In knowing this truth OSAS IS TRUTH. But just to say I believe and that is it is not truth Jesus died for all my sins is only a half sham gospel and is not the whole truth, So coming from this aspect I understand those that do not believe in OSAS.
But you do not turn to try and obey the law either or add to grace by works, for having to do works there has to be a reward and then grace is no longer grace if you are to work for it. So please see that from Faith (grace) being forgiven and recieving new life in the resurection not death even though death was needed first before new life could ne recieved
[h=3]Romans 5:10-11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
It is all by Faith in Christ that is the begining the start of the cocoon soon to be born again with new life as a butterfly is and never will be a worm again ever

 

[zone]

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Re: Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?

like....does a reformed porn addict have to forsake talking about porn continually BEFORE God will forgive them?


has skinksi figured this out yet?
anyone?
anyone?

 

[SarahM777]

Quick question,if Jeremiah says

The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?

and David said this

Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Let me hear joy and gladness;
let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Hide your face from my sins
and blot out all my iniquity.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Restore to me the joy of your salvation
and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.

How is it possible that one can have heart purity BEFORE the Lord gives one a new heart?

 

[zone]

tsk Sarah....

the Gapper formula is....2+2=5

 

[fadhila]

Thank you so much

 

[And]

of course
salvation is not once saved always saved pre-forgiven and buy your indulgences here...


if you fall then go to JEsus and plead again and he will forgive again and you pray more

Jesus will forgive you 7 times 77 every bday

on the average we sin every 5 minutes

but if you pray every 4 minutes you remain pure and eventually become more and more sanctified like Jesus with victory after victory

each sin put away is a rung on the ladder to heaven.
when you climb the last rung you are in heaven.

all the while you are of course forgiven by Jesus blood

if you sto[ climbing you fall from the ladder and die.

 

[And]

Once saved always saved is like the five year old girl who had her first piano lesson and thinks she can go play at carnige hall

once saved once sanctified instantly is retarded theology.

Even Jesus strugled for 33 years and he was perfect...

 

[iamsoandso]

we should reword the o.p. so it will make sense,,"does a porn addict have to forsake porn before THEIR GOD will forgive them?",,,then the answer is simple,,,,"no,THEIR GOD requires them to be involved in porn,,,,,,,,,,,but then did you mean "OUR GOD?",,,,,,,,,

 

[And]

all you have to do is go to Jesus
and stick with him
Jesus is the one who gives up porn
he forgives and gives power to stop sinning.

 

[And]

if you ramain with Jesus you cannot do porn.
Jesus is the word of god
as long as you are reading the Bible you are not doing porn and it will change your life
I would recommend a new living Bible and start in Luke

you can read the new testament in 20 hours and the old testament in 60 hours
I would read the bible through a few dozen times
you will be cured.
spend every minute on it
sell the TV
burn the porn
take a vacation
and pray coninuously
and satan will be vanquished

 

[JGIG]

When was all sin dealt with?

Where?

By Whom?

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (from Romans 5)


Did you know that the whole world was reconciled to God in Christ and that God is not holding men's trespasses against them? Check it out:

18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them.


The only sin that keeps people separated from God is the sin of unbelief:


16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one [first Adam]; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ [last Adam].

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


After the Work of Christ, God is not holding any man's sins against them; if they believe in/receive the Work of Christ, it is He Who gives them New Life, and as they mature in Him, His Fruit is produced \o/.

So in answer to the OP, no. One does not need to clean one's self up to come and be cleansed by Christ Jesus. Christ can handle ANY mess.

-JGIG

 

[iamsoandso]

start on page 1(there are only 12 pages) search for "skinsky7",,click enter,enter ect. and read his responses,,,then post your opinions,,,,,,

 

[danschance]

Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?

My answer to that question is an unequivocal YES!

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.



Now my question is not addressing the METHODOLOGY or the HOW one may forsake a certain behaviour. My question is simply addressing the issue as to whether certain behaviour must literally cease BEFORE God will grant forgiveness.

So a porn addict must be perfect before Christ will accept them? Are you sure? The lady at the well was in a sinful relationship and Christ still reached out to her. I think you are being very judgmental.

 

[Grandpa]

Forgiveness was granted 2000 yrs ago.

Now people just need to learn about it.

Ephesians 1:17-23
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19[/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Sirk]

2 Peter 3:9
'The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

Repentance means..."to go the other way". I think the honest way to ask the question is...."have I started going the other way". If so what steps have I taken to keep me on that path? Am I accountable to someone? Have I found a support group of people who also struggle with this? If I fail do I "confess my sin one to another"?

 

[homwardbound]

Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?

My answer to that question is an unequivocal YES!

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.



Now my question is not addressing the METHODOLOGY or the HOW one may forsake a certain behaviour. My question is simply addressing the issue as to whether certain behaviour must literally cease BEFORE God will grant forgiveness.

You are kidding me. Do you not think Father through Son has had Mercy and that God is not Merciful to those that approach him with a problem or two?
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Are you righteous, you do not ever sin, even though do not want to, all I can do from me is to agree daily to die to self and possibly see the new life already given me to walk by from Father through Son

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

In essence you are accusing others and playing God as if you have all Knowledge. do you not understand God requires:
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Can any flesh be perfect besides Christ's?
the do justly is as much as possible, trusting Father to teach us how to walk, love Father's Mercy and stay in humility, and not be proud and or Boastful

Love you, deeply, but I rebuke what you say to God's children, for you do not speak God's truth in Love to all or Mercy

Have you not cried for Mercy or are you as the two men that went to the temple?
Luke 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[homwardbound]

Does a porn addict have to forsake porn BEFORE God will forgive them?

My answer to that question is an unequivocal YES!

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.



Now my question is not addressing the METHODOLOGY or the HOW one may forsake a certain behaviour. My question is simply addressing the issue as to whether certain behaviour must literally cease BEFORE God will grant forgiveness.

God granted forgiveness for all at the cross of Christ through Christ if one believes is Forgiven, and is by the blood done. There is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood,and Christ's shedding was the last shedding of blood for forgiveness.

It is b y his death we are forgiven and cleansed to be presented before Father as so. Why?
To get new life in the Spirit by the resurrected Christ who is alive right now, and we recieve the Holy Spirit of promise and God gives us the ENGRAFTED WORD to live by and that is to trust Father through Son's finished work, and walk as he walked in Spirit and truth.
He, (Christ) sent us the Holy Spirit of truth to those that beleive
The Ninevites were granted Mercy, they repented yet they did not quit sin and be perfect in and of themselves and Jonah was angry over God's granting them Mercy, undeserved mind you. The Ninevites were evil and led by Nimrod

People please understand God just love you, and then you decide if this is so, people don't, people are dogmatic and you have to do this or that or God is going to get you attitudes is false
God does love you, maybe just be the creation and respond to the creator in thanking God to just love you

God loves us all deeper that the Mississippi, way deeper
But no one can love back until they see the depth, heigth, and length of Father's love to us all. When one sees this by the resurrected Christ not the dead, new life has sprouted and all things, thoughts change and feelings change right with the thoughts that are renewed by God in us, being friends true ones

 

[homwardbound]

Addiction to porn means a person is compelled to view porn. I have a friend who is battling his addiction to cigarettes. He has tried many times and keeps on fighting his addiction but still has not had any success. Can he be forgiven even if he continues to smoke? It is my understanding that addictions also have an element of shame attached to the addictive behavior. Far be it for me to assume I know when and how God forgives. We serve a God of love and compassion. God understands addictions better than we will ever understand them.

Here is something Paul wrote that might help us to get a handle on this.

So here we see that Paul suffered with a sin issue and do you think he was forgiven? I hope so! So I also believe that those trapped in an addiction can be forgiven.

All truth, Dan everyone is and has been forgiven, by the death of Christ, there is no more forgiveness to be executed from God's standpoint. It is done.
So now universal salvation comes to mind from some reading here
Death is not life death is death and think clear please this death of Christ was for the forgiveness of this world all people, what is left after death you all? to stay dead? Or new life after death if you reckon you yourself dead to flesh at the cross with Christ, then you might see new life, that Father is Faithful to give you, thanks to Son Christ

When Christ went to the cross how many sins did he go there for? How many sins did hje take on to himself as Father turned away and could not see this action that was taking place?
How many sins are left for you?
Have you asked to see the new life he came to give you
If he took them allk, which he did, why are you trying to walk right by your flesh actions and reactions, when by Faith in the finished work one will walk right, and maybe not perfectly, yet are we forgiven, what does the word say:

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

Does it say to get more forgiveness? anywhere after the death of Christ where does it say to get more forgiveness after his death. Please anywhere that the Apostles stated to get ongoing forgiveness if one sins again after recieving the forgiveness provided at the cross
Do we not appreciate this. Maybe we think we do and ask for more forgiveness when it is done, we are by Christ through his death forgiven and cleansed, whether one sins or not. Nothing can change the Love and Mercy of God it is what it is
So we are left with one final choice and that is to believe God or not
Love you all very deep and praying
Ephesians 3:16-18

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

This is amazing grace, while we were yet:
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

He died for porn, drugs, smoking, and all things that are not beneficial to us, he made us right by:

Colossians 1:22 Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

This was to do what present us before Father as what so we can what? Receive what?



Could it be new life? in what? Spirit or flesh our selves we were first born with that have failed over and over again, an d still do whenever one walks by it, and does not reckon it dead with Christ at the cross, to be made alive with Father at the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

What did Christ say he came for after revealing what the thief came for and is as I see a great job in causing guilt or pride as we are taught to work in the energy of our flesh's to do right before God, is that true from God when no flesh can please God? Are we to walk in our flesh or the Spirit of God as Christ did by Faith alone?

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

When did that above life more abundantly occur? or has it occurred in the Spirit of Father by the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth

Maybe it is time to partake and stop trying to imitate?