Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[Cassian]

Do you want to learn what the narrow gate is?

John 1:12-13 (NIV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet to all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--
[SUP]13 [/SUP]children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

Receiving HIM is the NARROW GATE, but receive HIM AS WHAT?

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,

Receiving HIM as LORD, means to willingly out of love SUBMIT TO HIM AS MASTER.

Many want a Savior but very few want a MASTER, because they want to remain "lord" of their own lives.

Which denies instant salvation, faith only, upon a first initial faith.

'here is the condition in your citations....

So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,

The problem with your view and finite savlation upon first faith, is that we do not have salvation, because we can deny our faith, we can lose faith and NOT CONTINUE in faith. NO faith, NO salvation. Not hard to understand.
Every text you have cited has conditions attached. NONE say faith only, or even only simple faith, and none that says we have salvation finitely.

 

[Disciples4Jesus]

Live out your faith, we are doers of Gods word. If you're not saved so what, continue to work it out because you will find something greater!!! You shall be found!!!

 

[homwardbound]

You don't believe the testimony God made about His Son. You employ arguments instead of trumpeting the good news of the gospel. Yes we are weak but He .... IN us is strong! What the law could not do, it could not transform us, it could not make us new creations.... God DID in sending His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh. Sin, therefore, has no power over us because the Spirit of Grace, the Mighty Holy Spirit, the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead, that grace is ours. You have no faith if you don't believe this! We don't believe that Jesus loved us so much He poured out His blood to help us whiles we continue to sin?! We are to believe the gospel! He came to destroy the works of the devil and the devil sinneth from the beginning. Anyone who claims to know Him yet still walks in darkness is a LIAR. This is how we know the children of God from the children of the devil. I continue to hear of believers struggling with pornography. I used to be addicted. I continually fought doubt that I could or would be free and lifted up the Word of God about Jesus. I am in Him, sin has no power over me! I have been free for years. This is where faith comes in. We are saved by faith in His Name. The Name implies all that He is. This little cartoon is not the gospel, it will not give anyone faith to do what God tells us - to be Holy as He is holy. This cartoon is a lie. We are not supposed to focus on ourselves but on Jesus and His Word. His Word made the universe and, as the angel told Mary, it has self fulfilling power. If you preached what Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist - all the prophets preached, someone will have faith to be righteous. No one is righteous by the blood of Christ alone. 1John 3 Do Not Be Deceived, only those who DO what is right are RIGHTEOUS. You can not be Righteous without doing. You can not be a disciple without doing. You can not be transformed without doing. You can not be the sheep without doing. You are just a goat headed for hell, deceived into thinking Jesus paid it all, I have nothing to do.

So by the death and the taking away of sin by Christ and made holy by the death as this verse below states,
how can any work make it any better than what is done by father through Christ
So works are a by-product of belief in what it done are they not?
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Do you now see what Father has done through Son, to do what in us? Work hard in our unredeemed flesh and be holier than others, proud and boastful in look atg me and what I do, the same as what was going on in Christ's day people doing for rewards from each other, truly as Christ said, that is the only reward they will get, for my Father who knows truth and all secrets will reward you openly if you stop telling your right hand what your left hand is doing you think?

Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

What works did she do other that beleive wholly?

Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Again what works did this man do other than believe with no doubt?

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

You see it is Faith that works unto salvation by God's Mercy to us and nothing else

We thus respond in thanksgiving and praise telling you and others of this unfathomable love of God that flesh can not understand, only God can reveal this to you and anyone else, as Father sees fit to do, if one will wait for this adoption in trust to Father through Son. It all starts with to believe God at God's word in God's love to you through Son b y Faith in it is done through Son
Either one believes this or they do not, and if they continue in this they will see the freedom in this and be content as Paul was in all things

 

[chubbena]

........The work that is spoken of here is the work to work hard to enter rest, and be at rest 24/7 Hebrews 3 and 4

Exodus 20:9-10 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God.
This was how the Israelites worked hard to enter rest.
Now IF the 24/7 rest is in Christ, and that salvation is free and requires no work whatsoever, what is the work to work hard to enter rest?
The way I see is, the work is the journey in the desert AFTER the salvation out of the spiritual Egypt.

 

[danalee]

Which denies instant salvation, faith only, upon a first initial faith.

'here is the condition in your citations....
The problem with your view and finite savlation upon first faith, is that we do not have salvation, because we can deny our faith, we can lose faith and NOT CONTINUE in faith. NO faith, NO salvation. Not hard to understand.
Every text you have cited has conditions attached. NONE say faith only, or even only simple faith, and none that says we have salvation finitely.

Yet how can we define the point where we are saved? No one can be free from sin. What of sin that is by standing idle when people around you are practicing things that God hates. I think there is this safety zone in your mind where you are free from a guilty conscience because you are following the ten commandments - yet are you really? You live in a country where by the products you buy, is idol worship, and worse, uses slave labor that actually harms and kills other people. The pollution caused by our products is enough to provoke God's wrath. Most people don't think of a trip to Target as sinning, but if you see through God's eyes, our ignorance is stunning. There would be no way to support oneself and live without participating in these evils. Just by being on the internet, you are supporting an industry that supports as well, pedophilia and all kinds of disgusting things. If by what you are saying is true, the Amish are probably most likely to be the measure and yardstick of how people should be behaving. God in this sense can hold us accountable for these kinds of sins because we know full well what we are doing. If you are an American or live in a dominant country, you are responsible for some of the worst sins of mankind just by benefitting from the evil that is done in procuring that for you. If what you are saying is true, you will never be able to reconcile any of this with the father unless you live in poverty, live completely off the land, don't buy products but make your own, don't pay taxes to support the lawmakers in their evil. One hand does not turn the crank. It is many hands in a corrupt world. You need a savior who will not condemn, because we are all damnable in almost each moment. Jesus said to sell your belongings, live day to day and even not to worry about food. Was Jesus going off to work at a job, having coffee and donuts, participating in selling idolatries and then watching TV at night? Is that NOT SINNING enough? Hardly.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with this. We are BEING saved. It is like mining for a precious metal. We put on the helmut and get to work with the power of the Holy Spirit and God's word guiding us into the deep places in our heart and separating the dross. We are being refined to spend eternity in Heaven with God. Remember, there is no sin in Heaven and God cannot associate at all with sin. We are being made perfect in Christ Jesus.

praying for us all to see this and thus by belief in this verse walk in this by Faith:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, Itisfinished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

So by God is it done,are you by God made perfect through Son? This takes belief with no doubt to see the new life Father gives to you in the resurrected Christ, no swaying and trying to do what your flesh can not do and that is be perfect ever, only Chirst's flesh was and is ever perfect only. therfore I die daily to me with Chirst at the cross in the flesh to see then new life in the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth and learn to walk by this each and everyday, the Father teaching me the difference of when I walk by flesh and when I walk by Faith in Father, the same is for everyone else to do, you think?

 

[homwardbound]

Context context context, take the verse before 13 into the context :

2 Timothy 2:11-12 (NKJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. [SUP]12[/SUP] If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us.

I do not see anyone denying him do you?

 

[Jabberjaw]

Context context context, take the verse before 13 into the context :

2 Timothy 2:11-12 (NKJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. [SUP]12[/SUP] If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us.

I do not see anyone denying him do you?

what you deny is "If" in the "If we endure"

 

[homwardbound]

No, that is why we have to "work" at it, when we sin we ask for forgiveness, this is possible through the blood of the perfect lamb :

1 John 1:7 (KJV)
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

One can not of their flesh walk in the light perfectly, not possible, the way the truth and the new life in Spirit can and does if one will quit his self works and enter into rest from his works as God has since the foundation , Hebrews 3and 4
your conscience is not purged from Sin as you are the one trying not to sin, which brings forth sin in trying not to sin

Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[Jabberjaw]

No, that is why we have to "work" at it, when we sin we ask for forgiveness, this is possible through the blood of the perfect lamb :

1 John 1:7 (KJV)
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

One can not of their flesh walk in the light perfectly, not possible, the way the truth and the new life in Spirit can and does if one will quit his self works and enter into rest from his works as God has since the foundation , Hebrews 3and 4
your conscience is not purged from Sin as you are the one trying not to sin, which brings forth sin in trying not to sin

Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

So 1 John 1:7 was written by the Holy Spirit to remind the Holy Spirit to make sure we walk in the light? so if anyone does not walk in the light (and since few there be that find it Mat. 7:14) then God and his Spirit are culpable for the lost.

 

[just-me]

Just sit on it, because you were saved 20 years ago, and that's a good excuse for not doing anything. Right?
After all, there is nothing you can do to save yourself. Right?
Works don't save, so why bother with even thinking about it. Jesus did all the work and it's all done, over, nada, extinct, gone, and all that stuff. . All a person needs to do is nothing for the rapture is coming. Isn't it? Maybe? Hopefully?
Just wait on the Lord. Still waiting? Maybe with another 2000 plus posts, it will be all over. Ya think?

 

[homwardbound]

I have no idea of how this contributes to the discussion. A lot of words but not directed at anything relevant.
The only thing relevant is that God loves everyone. Does anyone deny that. God's love will follow those even who are in hell. So how does that help the discussion.

Well friend God is following you, chasing you, trying for you to get his unfathomable love to all, in Mercy for you to show you it is not by works, it is by Son and through Son we even have the connection for the new life in Spirit and truth to you, And then when we give up our flesh God works, as look at me and what I am doing we see it is all God and none of anyone else
That is what it has to do with your salvation, and set free in Christ to be in this unfathomable love of God in Mercy to all, which is 1 Cor. 13:4-13, and then see 1 Cor.13:1-3 and see the difference, praying so

 

[homwardbound]

How does Christ saying He is finished (meaning he fulfilled all prophecy) have anything to do with you obeying (or not obeying) His commands such as Mark 16:16?

[h=3]Mark 16:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

First is what you state here water or Spirit Baptism. Who does the Baptism Father through Son or mankind?

For John said he came to baptize with water the Messiah and knew not who he was and when he saw the dove descend on him and hear the voice from God saying this is my Son, whom I (Father) am well pleased, then is when John was to announce the Messiah is here, and he did that stated truth as the witness to the truth.
He also said to Christ he needed Baptized of Christ ans Christ said he must do all that is right, so fro now water Baptize him. By this Christ was fulfilling the Levitical law as the priests before ever going into the holy of holies had to bve water washed, baptized mind you.
After Christ's water Baptism and John testfying that their Messiah has arrived, his Job he came here for was over
John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

So after Pentecost how are we baptized for life eternal? By water for repentance; or by the Spirit of Father unto life thanks to Christ's perfection not ours?




a free gift, so what Baptism are you stating here, water or Spirit? One is a work of us to be saved, which n o flesh of man can please God outside of Christ's. and the other is a free gift to us from Father in the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth

Ephesians 2:9 not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[danalee]

Just sit on it, because you were saved 20 years ago, and that's a good excuse for not doing anything. Right?
After all, there is nothing you can do to save yourself. Right?
Works don't save, so why bother with even thinking about it. Jesus did all the work and it's all done, over, nada, extinct, gone, and all that stuff. . All a person needs to do is nothing for the rapture is coming. Isn't it? Maybe? Hopefully?
Just wait on the Lord. Still waiting? Maybe with another 2000 plus posts, it will be all over. Ya think?

All I'm saying that if this is true, what is anyone doing enough that would be right in God's eyes? I have met people who are tirelessly giving to the poor and living how Christ commanded but that is very, very rare.

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16 And behold, one came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" 17 And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments." 18 He said to him, "Which?" And Jesus said, "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 20 The young man said to him, "All these I have observed; what do I still lack?" 21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." 22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful; for he had great possessions.
23 And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." 25 When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." 27 Then Peter said in reply, "Lo, we have left everything and followed you. What then shall we have?" 28 Jesus said to them, "Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of man shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. (Mt. 19:16-30)
DOES THE ABOVE PASSAGE PRESENT A PICTURE THAT IT IS EASY TO BE SAVED IN AN ABSOLUTE SENSE? AS EASY AS KNEELING DOWN AND SAYING, "I ACCEPT YOU, JESUS CHRIST, AS MY PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR" AND REQUIRING NOTHING ELSE?
"But he who endures to the end will be saved." (Mt. 24:13)
31 "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will place the sheep at his right hand, but the goats at the left. 34 Then the King will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? 39 And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Mt. 25:31-46)


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I become almost sick to my stomach when I pass a person on the street who is begging and I do not offer what I have. When I spend my money on clothes, I feel sick because I should be getting goodwill clothes and donating the money to the poor. Christians do, do charity work, but they also live in nice homes and use products and have jobs and save money. In this respect Jesus said we should not save money but hand it over immediately to those who need it, and to not worry about the future.

Jesus said what we do to others, we do to him. Well, there are scads of people needing things right now, instead of arguing here, we could be out helping them.

So I do hope that we can be forgiven, because I hardly see any men living up to what he said.

 

[homwardbound]

Again, not relevant to the discusion.
Christ had mercy upon the world, every human being. Every single human being was saved from the condemnation through Adam. That work of redemption is complete. We (man) had nothing to do with it, and nothing we do will effect it in any way. The discussion is why did God save the human race/the world from death? Then how is He reaching out to individual man and healing us as individuals. Your view, man is made perfect upon an instant of faith, saved by faith only. What man actually does after this moment is all inconsequencial to the healing of man. He is just biding time here on earth, has no purpose since He was declared perfected in one moment of belief.

Adam was not created perfect, and he fell in working out his salvation of becoming immortal. He failed in his vocation and took every man with him. Christ rescued us from that condemnation, so that all men couild again, have the free choice of having life or death (spiritual), in this life and for eternity. What we do in this life determines where we will spend eternity.

Adam was perfect and had not fallen until he ate from that tree of evil that masquerades as not being evil, putting on a good show as I see you havce been doing from first post, trying to add we must do works or else, making God a liar when God says this
Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Ephesians 2:9 not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 Timothy 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Thank you Father that "I" am not perfect and by this I need you, I am at rest in you, thank you
Do you play Twister, you are good at it

 

[VCO]

Yet how can we define the point where we are saved? No one can be free from sin. What of sin that is by standing idle when people around you are practicing things that God hates. I think there is this safety zone in your mind where you are free from a guilty conscience because you are following the ten commandments - yet are you really? You live in a country where by the products you buy, is idol worship, and worse, uses slave labor that actually harms and kills other people. The pollution caused by our products is enough to provoke God's wrath. Most people don't think of a trip to Target as sinning, but if you see through God's eyes, our ignorance is stunning. There would be no way to support oneself and live without participating in these evils. Just by being on the internet, you are supporting an industry that supports as well, pedophilia and all kinds of disgusting things. If by what you are saying is true, the Amish are probably most likely to be the measure and yardstick of how people should be behaving. God in this sense can hold us accountable for these kinds of sins because we know full well what we are doing. If you are an American or live in a dominant country, you are responsible for some of the worst sins of mankind just by benefitting from the evil that is done in procuring that for you. If what you are saying is true, you will never be able to reconcile any of this with the father unless you live in poverty, live completely off the land, don't buy products but make your own, don't pay taxes to support the lawmakers in their evil. One hand does not turn the crank. It is many hands in a corrupt world. You need a savior who will not condemn, because we are all damnable in almost each moment. Jesus said to sell your belongings, live day to day and even not to worry about food. Was Jesus going off to work at a job, having coffee and donuts, participating in selling idolatries and then watching TV at night? Is that NOT SINNING enough? Hardly.

GOD told us how and when we can know we are SAVED:

1 John 2:3 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And hereby we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

First of all that "know HIM" is talking about and inner personal Love relationship whereby we willingly receive HIM as LORD, which means MASTER; and to "know HIM" like that evidence of having been SAVED. The verb "keep" there is in the GREEK perfect tense, not implying perfection, but rather a lifestyle of striving to keep. English only has three primary verb tenses (past, present, and future), whereas Greek has a fourth primary verb tense, called the Perfect tense. Despite it's name it does not imply perfection, instead it implies a continuous or ongoing action of doing that verb. It helps me to keep that straight in my head by calling it the Continuous Action Tense; and JOHN loved to use those Continuous Action Tense verbs especially in 1 John. They describe what the ongoing Christian lifestyle should be like.

How do we show Biblically that "to KNOW HIM" is equal to Salvation?

Matthew 7:21-23 (ASV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 25:8-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’

HENCE that inner personal LOVE relationship with JESUS as our LORD and Master is evidence we HAVE BEEN SAVED.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

Here is another example from 1 John with a Greek Perfect Tense verb, not found in English:

1 John 1:9 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That word confess also in in the Perfect Tense, implying that the Christian lifestyle will be characterized by an ongoing willingness to confess each new sin as we discover them.

I hope and pray that is helpful.

 

[posthuman]

do we thank God for all the great things we do or the great thing HE has done?

 

[posthuman]

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
(1 Thessalonians 5:18)

are we thankful for our works or the Spirit of God working in us?

do we thank God that "i am not like other men, tax collectors and sinners"
or do we thank God that though we are sinners He extends His mercy toward us?

do we rejoice in the works of our hands or His hands?

 

[secularhermit]

do we thank God for all the great things we do or the great thing HE has done?

I find it hard to say something better.

Congrats!

 

[homwardbound]

Worth repeating, we are saved by the washing AND REGENERATION of the Holy Spirit. We are saved by grace TO DO GOOD WORKS. Grace, salvation and faith are misinterpreted by you.

Sorry not to do good works, that is of flesh, which no one is good and mankind is not capable to do good works

Yet through Christ's finished work by Father's lead to Son trusting Father we are made to have Father do Father's work through us, not of me that doeth the works it is Father that does them through me "I" am nothing more than God's water glass to be used by Father as is what was with Christ
Please tell Sister are you good?
Christ even said he was not only his Father was and is, all credit to Father, hope you see this and it stops any pride and arrogance the flesh tries to give you as i remember when it did this to me, before I understood waht it means to be dea to self everyday, die to my flesh self and be alive to God in Spirit and truth

Sorry you do not see you are in the energy of your own flesh still not giving it all to God and are at war between your own flesh and the Spirit of God, trying to imitate Christ, and in itself that is good to desire want, yet you will never achieve this by your own self flesh that has you in this deception from what I see, been there done that and couldn't the forest through the trees praying for you to see past the trees, Thank you Father your will not flesh's be done