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But you are a member of a Church n=and accepted by them and if you do not go by their creed, you could be ex-communicated, as be called a heretic (Harry tic) that bites awfully hard.
It is not about our man made traditions of and from man. Not one place of worship here on this earth is the kingdom of God, nor a 100% replica of God, more flesh, acting as Spirit than anything else.
Good will worship.
True worship is in God's Spirit the resurrected Spirit of Christ in the heavens , where God's kingdom is at. As was made plain to Peter when Peter had to put down his sword, and Christ healed that man's ear that was just cut off. Worldly of Peter yes, and worldly of us all, when we beat each other up with harmful words, as if we are the only one's with the truth.
God plain and simple just Loves us all, and with that as a premise, how can that be ignored from God to us all.
If one does believe then, God will not fail to show anyone that does believe, God accepts them. If one is faking it, all eventually comes to truth being shown. Truth can't be denied, covered up, placed away from me, you and anyone else, and God just reveals it to the simple, who have no intention of harming no one ever
Water Baptism, is clear to me in scripture that it is for repentance one wanting to serve God not self
Holy Spirit Baptism is for new life in God's Spirit supplied as a free gift by the resurrection, because with out the resurrection we would still be in our sins and pitied of all people.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:7-20[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, [SUP]8 [/SUP]and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
[h=3]The Resurrection of the Dead[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. [SUP]15 [/SUP]More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Have you fallen asleep yet today to self and doing this over and over again until this body does give out, yet co-crucifying self with Christ, to be alive to God. Has nothing to do with any effort of being good enough, GOD is GOOD period and by Christ we are in God by the resurrected Christ.
It is not about our man made traditions of and from man. Not one place of worship here on this earth is the kingdom of God, nor a 100% replica of God, more flesh, acting as Spirit than anything else.
Good will worship.
True worship is in God's Spirit the resurrected Spirit of Christ in the heavens , where God's kingdom is at. As was made plain to Peter when Peter had to put down his sword, and Christ healed that man's ear that was just cut off. Worldly of Peter yes, and worldly of us all, when we beat each other up with harmful words, as if we are the only one's with the truth.
God plain and simple just Loves us all, and with that as a premise, how can that be ignored from God to us all.
If one does believe then, God will not fail to show anyone that does believe, God accepts them. If one is faking it, all eventually comes to truth being shown. Truth can't be denied, covered up, placed away from me, you and anyone else, and God just reveals it to the simple, who have no intention of harming no one ever
Water Baptism, is clear to me in scripture that it is for repentance one wanting to serve God not self
Holy Spirit Baptism is for new life in God's Spirit supplied as a free gift by the resurrection, because with out the resurrection we would still be in our sins and pitied of all people.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:7-20[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, [SUP]8 [/SUP]and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
[h=3]The Resurrection of the Dead[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. [SUP]15 [/SUP]More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Have you fallen asleep yet today to self and doing this over and over again until this body does give out, yet co-crucifying self with Christ, to be alive to God. Has nothing to do with any effort of being good enough, GOD is GOOD period and by Christ we are in God by the resurrected Christ.
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I feel you should be given the time so you can understand whats being told to you. Yes Jesus is the son of God, So when it comes to getting baptizing you go by the name of JESUS as you are being dunked under water, and you do not never say... I now baptize you in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Ghost. WHy??? theses are not names. Jesus is the name to be baptized into.
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We also must understand That God is our father, and he allowed a child to be born by a virginant birth in order to make Jesus HOLY. I can say one thing, if your not happy with the Trinity and the way they do it switch to our way, the Apostolic Way, you will notice and see a BIG change in your life. As soo0n as you repent and get baptized in Jesus Name you will receive the Holy Ghost.
You are correct in all that you have said.
The ONENESS did not wait on Jesus, the Head.
However, the Apostles, taught in all the world,
to baptize calling on Jesus,
who is exalted by God the Most High.
I believe and accept all three the way that Jesus explained.
I have baptized calling on Jesus AND it is amazingly different...
I still believe in ALL three.
The Lord reward you according to your integrity..
The ONENESS did not wait on Jesus, the Head.
However, the Apostles, taught in all the world,
to baptize calling on Jesus,
who is exalted by God the Most High.
I believe and accept all three the way that Jesus explained.
I have baptized calling on Jesus AND it is amazingly different...
I still believe in ALL three.
The Lord reward you according to your integrity..
So you believe that that thief may have been converted, was water baptized, and the fruit of that is being crucified as a thief?
In Matthew 27:39-43, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests scribes and elders blashemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and EVEN THE ROBBERS WHO WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM REVILED HIM WITH THE SAME THING. More fruit?
I certainly don't see being crucified as a thief, blasheming, mocking and shaking your head at Jesus as being the fruit of repentance/faith. Yet, moments later, we see that the thief had a "change of mind" (repentance) placed his faith in Christ for salvation and was saved (Luke 23:40-43). Of course, he died before having the opportunity to be water baptized.
In Matthew 27:39-43, we see that those who passed by, along with the chief priests scribes and elders blashemed, mocked and shook their heads at Jesus and EVEN THE ROBBERS WHO WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM REVILED HIM WITH THE SAME THING. More fruit?
I certainly don't see being crucified as a thief, blasheming, mocking and shaking your head at Jesus as being the fruit of repentance/faith. Yet, moments later, we see that the thief had a "change of mind" (repentance) placed his faith in Christ for salvation and was saved (Luke 23:40-43). Of course, he died before having the opportunity to be water baptized.
i searched thru the thread for (acts 19;1-7),here we find some about 12(verse 7),who already believed(verse2)who were already baptized(verse3),also Paul ask "what baptism" as if denoting "two different" types.,,then in (verse 5) "they heard",,and were baptized "in the name of Jesus". then after this paul laid his hands on them and they received the holy Ghost.
I say this because paul himself seems to be clarifying the one baptism from the other which i find curious if they are the same. i also find it curious that Paul thought it to be necessary for them to be baptized again when they had already been baptized(verse 3),,,,i thought acts 19;1-7, might help in the discussion as it seems to be about the same topic as the o.p.,,,
I say this because paul himself seems to be clarifying the one baptism from the other which i find curious if they are the same. i also find it curious that Paul thought it to be necessary for them to be baptized again when they had already been baptized(verse 3),,,,i thought acts 19;1-7, might help in the discussion as it seems to be about the same topic as the o.p.,,,
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You should warn all your Christians friends that UPC is a cult group and they should stay away from them. Also known as the Jesus only people. Let's see what the bible says on the correct way to baptize people. Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo I am with you always even to the end of the age. New King James Version. Let me give you one more scripture because I really want you to know the truth from God's Word so you won't be deceived by false doctrines. 1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits
An doctrines of demons. Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. A lot of Christians are believing stuff that is false. The apostle Paul told Timothy to believe in sound doctrine and to reject false teachings. It's time for the body of Christ to grow up and really know what the Word of God says so they will be prepared when false teachings try to sneak into church. Rick Warren is already deceiving Christians by teaching that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Every christian knows that God's name is Jehovah. Allah is a false god. Moon god an idol. I hope that I have helped you today. Preacha24-7
An doctrines of demons. Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron. A lot of Christians are believing stuff that is false. The apostle Paul told Timothy to believe in sound doctrine and to reject false teachings. It's time for the body of Christ to grow up and really know what the Word of God says so they will be prepared when false teachings try to sneak into church. Rick Warren is already deceiving Christians by teaching that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Every christian knows that God's name is Jehovah. Allah is a false god. Moon god an idol. I hope that I have helped you today. Preacha24-7
Who does this Baptism, and where does it say anywhere for man to do it when God does not need man, but only uses man to do if man is willing to do, as Peter so well learned this over time, fighting between his own flesh the Spirit of God, still having free will to choose to who he will listen to, self desire or Father's through Son?
We are baptised in the name of, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Matt 28: 19.
But we must be born again, [Saved] before we can be baptised in water.
We are baptised into the name of Jesus, That is our identification with His death burial and resurrection, It is our witness that we ALREADY belong to Jesus.
Just a thought, is it our identification as see I got baptized for rewards from others? Or is it our death with Christ's death to flesh, and then our new life in the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth? I mean did Christ not say he came to give us new life? We already are alive right? So what is new life? since we are already alive or are we, when just born of the flesh, world atmosphere?
Water Baptism is done in Churches today to be members of those Churches today and you get approved of the people there do you not, or disapproved as you go along trying to find truth right or wrong?
And if you have been water Baptized by a different Church and you go to a new one, you are not recognized by them until you get water Baptized in their Church, true or false?
Who is ones Teacher, man or God, A Church, A Pastor recognized by this world as!
Did Jesus be recognized by his own?
And if you have been water Baptized by a different Church and you go to a new one, you are not recognized by them until you get water Baptized in their Church, true or false?
Who is ones Teacher, man or God, A Church, A Pastor recognized by this world as!
Did Jesus be recognized by his own?
If you get pats on your back from others, how does that make you feel, like Thank you yes, of coarse, now who are you getting your rewards from? God and man, and how long does it take for the to turn and just getting it from man, thinking it through God?
I think to check me, and ask God to search me, and see if I am being taken away by the positive and negative rewards program, given to me by this world, that is enmity with God and God is enmity to this world, right?
Can a man do right without the Love of God in him? 1Cor 13:1-3 says so
I think to check me, and ask God to search me, and see if I am being taken away by the positive and negative rewards program, given to me by this world, that is enmity with God and God is enmity to this world, right?
Can a man do right without the Love of God in him? 1Cor 13:1-3 says so