Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[RedTent]

Originally Posted by RedTent

......................... Are you trying to make yourself superior by saying you don't believe in work?



watchout redtent hes got his chainsaw out

Thanks for warning me, but I am speaking in Christ's name, and Christ was given power over him. I just have to be very careful, very, that I don't speak in my name but only in Christ's. I have people praying for me that I keep me out of it. If you catch me doing that, call me on it.

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by Grandpa

................................You must know that abiding in the Lord Jesus and following the Lord Jesus will never cause us to break any of the "moral" law or any other category you and philosophers have constructed, right?




Kind of reminds me of that verse, "he who says I know Him will be forced to keep His moral law..."

Ohh wait, I dont think it goes like that....

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:3-7, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, 1but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked.Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

Nothing in there says you are to try and strive to keep the 10 commandments. It says that if a person knows the Lord Jesus Christ, abiding in Him, the Love of God is perfected in that person. Do you remember what fulfills the law? Love.

Otherwise most of the New Testament is incorrect preaching so much Grace. Salvation wouldn't be by grace but by the proof of your keeping the law. And then you would have to keep it according to some legalists interpretation of it. But that's not the way it works. We are given the Holy Spirit and we don't need teachers to teach us law. The Holy Spirit teaches us and shows us what fulfills the law.

It is clear that you don't know that abiding in Christ will not cause you to break any of the 10 commandments. It is clear that you don't know that the Lord has fulfilled the whole law, so you go about trying to fulfill it yourself. And attempt to teach others as well.

Romans 10:3-4
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for all who believe in Him. But don't they have to work at the Law to prove they know Him?

Galatians 5:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Uh-oh. How are you supposed to keep His Law to prove you know Him but somehow not be justified by your works of the law?? You've painted yourself into a little corner.

We don't keep His Law by our works. The Law is kept by the Holy Spirit that is grown inside us by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Which laws aren't kept by the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

There are people out there who attempt to emulate the Holy Spirit by the works of their flesh. This is what people are attempting when they attempt to keep the law in their own strength and their own understanding.


The fruit of knowing Christ is keeping the law. Unfortunately for legalists the opposite is not true. The fruit of your own law keeping in your own strength and understanding is dirty rags...

 

[Hizikyah]

Nothing in there says you are to try and strive to keep the 10 commandments. It says that if a person knows the Lord Jesus Christ, abiding in Him, the Love of God is perfected in that person. Do you remember what fulfills the law? Love.

It also says, " He who says: I know Him, 1but does not keep His Law, is a liar" But you conveniently left that part out. I guess if that part is ignored upon reading one can create these doctrines.

Love does fulfill the Law, but what is love?

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Otherwise most of the New Testament is incorrect preaching so much Grace. Salvation wouldn't be by grace but by the proof of your keeping the law. And then you would have to keep it according to some legalists interpretation of it. But that's not the way it works. We are given the Holy Spirit and we don't need teachers to teach us law. The Holy Spirit teaches us and shows us what fulfills the law.

It is clear that you don't know that abiding in Christ will not cause you to break any of the 10 commandments. It is clear that you don't know that the Lord has fulfilled the whole law, so you go about trying to fulfill it yourself. And attempt to teach others as well.

The "NT" is not incorrect, but when people only read Paul and and filter every Scripture through a misunderstanding of his words, I can see how this overall doctrine would be formed. That is why the "churches" virtually only read Paul.

Salvation is not by the Law or any works, Salvation comes from Yahweh alone, yet faith without works is dead. A big misunderstanding comes from hear or believe, in Hebrew shawmah, is not just to hear or believe but to do and obey also. Yet english has no single word that captures this.

I agree the Spirit of Yahweh can lead one to proper walk, yet the Scriptures are there for a reason, for if the spirit that is guiding someone is not guiding in the same principles of the Law of Yahweh that spirit is not of Yahweh.

Isayah 59:21, "As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says Yahweh: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Word (Instructions) which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says Yahweh: from this time and forevermore."

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The Words (Instructions) that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

Fulfilled.

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Has heaven and earth passes away?

No?

Then according to Messiah NOTHING has passed from the Law

Are all things perfected/completed?

No?

Then according to Messiah NOTHING has passed from the Law

" but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh"

 

[Hizikyah]

Romans 10:3-4

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for all who believe in Him. But don't they have to work at the Law to prove they know Him?

Check the greek.

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."

1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith--the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away in 1 Kepha (Peter) 1:9. Unless of course telos means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, "Behold, we call them blessed that endured: ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord, how that the Lord is full of pity, and merciful."

Yaaqob (James) 5:11, "Behold, we regard as blessed those who endure. You have heard of the patience of Iyyob, and have seen the ultimate result of Yahweh: that Yahweh is very compassionate and merciful."

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies - 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

 

[Hizikyah]

Galatians 5:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Uh-oh. How are you supposed to keep His Law to prove you know Him but somehow not be justified by your works of the law?? You've painted yourself into a little corner.

We don't keep His Law by our works. The Law is kept by the Holy Spirit that is grown inside us by the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is a large gap between keeping the Law to be justified and keeping it because it is written on ones heart.

If it truly written on ones heart they do not find excuses to disobey or ignore certain Laws they dont like.

And again if the spirit dont match the text, its not Yahweh's Spirit.

Do you read the text to know what Messiah wants from you?

 

[Hizikyah]

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Which laws aren't kept by the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

There are people out there who attempt to emulate the Holy Spirit by the works of their flesh. This is what people are attempting when they attempt to keep the law in their own strength and their own understanding.


The fruit of knowing Christ is keeping the law. Unfortunately for legalists the opposite is not true. The fruit of your own law keeping in your own strength and understanding is dirty rags...

1 Yahchanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

Wonder why he would say, "let no man deceive you?"

Filthy rags, yes, I agree, no matter what one does, this is true, yet do I give up, or do I walk in the light, on the narrow path?

One every fruit of the Spirit is commanded.promoted in Yahweh's Law

that is why there is no Law against these things...

Evey fruit of the flesh is against/sin according to Yahweh's Law...

I understand it is the default position for people to say, oh you keep the Law by your own will.

Foolishness, how can this claim be made by someone who does not know you?

Legalist.... do you promote illegalisim?

Are these men legalists?

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[Hizikyah]

How has any talk of obedience top Yahweh's Law/Instructions/Torah become something that is spoken evil of?

Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[phil112]

.............the roots movement was opened up after the 1950's. ...............

And here all this time I was thinking God wanted us all to be saved. But you tell me He kept people in the dark about the true way to serve Him, going back to the old testament ways as you demand we do, for almost 2000 years.

Do you people even read or hear the words that come out of your mouth?

 

[dcontroversal]

And here all this time I was thinking God wanted us all to be saved. But you tell me He kept people in the dark about the true way to serve Him, going back to the old testament ways as you demand we do, for almost 2000 years.

Do you people even read or hear the words that come out of your mouth?

No doubt Philip.....Is that a chain saw? Philip, if it is it is the wrong color...

Stihl for me thank you HAHAHHAHAH

 

[RedTent]

And here all this time I was thinking God wanted us all to be saved. But you tell me He kept people in the dark about the true way to serve Him, going back to the old testament ways as you demand we do, for almost 2000 years.

Do you people even read or hear the words that come out of your mouth?

Do you think God wanted all the millions of people who lived when Christ was only a shadow to die? It is only 2,000 years since He lived as a man, He lived as it explains in John and Genesis twice as long before that. What was God doing in those years?

And if I were as rude as you are, I could say do you people even think before you speak? God doesn't produce rudeness in people, where does your rudeness come from?

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahdah (Jude) 1:3, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you about the common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once, for all, delivered to the saints."

If about 2,000 years ago the truth was already being discarded and twisted, how can we think 2,000 years later we have everything perfect and there is no need to dig, and there is noting that needs the be changed/restored?

In reality, if you believe Scripture it is said that we would inherit lies:

Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O Yahweh, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity; worthless, powerless gods of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is Yahweh!

Zecharyah 8:23, "This is what Yahweh of hosts says: In those days ten men, out of all languages of the nations, will take hold of the tzitzit on the tallit of him who is a Yahdai, saying; We will go with you, for we have heard that Yahweh is with you."

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahdah (Jude) 1:3, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you about the common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once, for all, delivered to the saints."

and what was it being discarded and twisted into?

Yahdah (Jude) 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

It was being turned into a license to sin...

 

[JesusLives]

Under the old covenant the sabbath day was the holiest day of the week. Under the new covenant, the holiest act of worship was breaking bread together on the first day of the week.

Well now isn't interesting...

Originally Posted by john832

Walking nineteen miles is an odd way to keep Sunday as the Sabbath.

QUOTE=HeRoseFromTheDead
When are you going to stop throwing up the straw man that the sabbath was changed to Sunday?

JesusLives
By whom was this change made? By God or by man?

 

[chubbena]

Nothing in there says you are to try and strive to keep the 10 commandments. It says that if a person knows the Lord Jesus Christ, abiding in Him, the Love of God is perfected in that person. Do you remember what fulfills the law? Love.

And thus the 10 commandments are removed from public places here in North America and we don't feel sorry?

Otherwise most of the New Testament is incorrect preaching so much Grace. Salvation wouldn't be by grace but by the proof of your keeping the law. And then you would have to keep it according to some legalists interpretation of it. But that's not the way it works. We are given the Holy Spirit and we don't need teachers to teach us law. The Holy Spirit teaches us and shows us what fulfills the law.

But then the Holy Spirit would move one to keep the law.

It is clear that you don't know that abiding in Christ will not cause you to break any of the 10 commandments. It is clear that you don't know that the Lord has fulfilled the whole law, so you go about trying to fulfill it yourself. And attempt to teach others as well.

It is clear that those who claim they are abiding in Christ, and I'm not saying I'm not, also say they could not keep the 10 commandments perfectly? It is clear that the Christ had never taught the law is done away with. And I know you know that Hizikyah and others like myself has explained endless times that we are not trying to fulfill but rather to obey the law through Christ so keep bring this argument up reflects your sincerity in dialogue.

Romans 10:3-4

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for all who believe in Him. But don't they have to work at the Law to prove they know Him?

To avoid misunderstanding, Paul said upfront that he upholds the law. There's nothing to prove but to obey. Obedience is to show one's in Him and the law reflects whether one is obedient.

Galatians 5:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Uh-oh. How are you supposed to keep His Law to prove you know Him but somehow not be justified by your works of the law?? You've painted yourself into a little corner.

Only if one seek to justify by the law and again, either Hizikyah and others like myself seek to do that. Again, Paul did not even suggest the law is done away with in Galatians but rather one should be seek justification by the law.

We don't keep His Law by our works. The Law is kept by the Holy Spirit that is grown inside us by the Lord Jesus Christ.

So what are you arguing here??

Galatians 5:22-23

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Which laws aren't kept by the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

Against such there is no law does not remotely imply there is no law. The verse says against such, i.e. love, joy peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, there is no law.

There are people out there who attempt to emulate the Holy Spirit by the works of their flesh. This is what people are attempting when they attempt to keep the law in their own strength and their own understanding.

Yes there are but hardly those you speak against here.

The fruit of knowing Christ is keeping the law.

Unfortunately for legalists the opposite is not true. The fruit of your own law keeping in your own strength and understanding is dirty rags...

Why are you so against him?

 

[Grandpa]

1 Yahchanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

Wonder why he would say, "let no man deceive you?"

Filthy rags, yes, I agree, no matter what one does, this is true, yet do I give up, or do I walk in the light, on the narrow path?

One every fruit of the Spirit is commanded.promoted in Yahweh's Law

that is why there is no Law against these things...

Evey fruit of the flesh is against/sin according to Yahweh's Law...

I understand it is the default position for people to say, oh you keep the Law by your own will.

Foolishness, how can this claim be made by someone who does not know you?

Legalist.... do you promote illegalisim?

Are these men legalists?

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Its pretty simple. If someone has come to Christ you don't point them back to the law. Unless you expect them, as you do yourself, to keep it in their own will and strength.

You don't understand any of the scriptures you post because you place your own will and strength, legalism, into all of it.

If you believed in the Power of Christ and His Holy Spirit then you would be attempting to lead people to Him. You would constantly shift the focus of peoples endeavors from focusing on their works of the law to instead look to the Lord Jesus Christ and His Work.

You don't need Greek to understand the bible. You need the Holy Spirit.

Those who think they kept the law by their own work are the ones the Lord says "I never knew you". Those who had to come to Him for Salvation, Justification, Sanctification, and all other heavenly blessings by which we are blessed are the ones He Knows.

 

[danschance]

I am not talking about just one man. I am talking about the tons of biblical scholars who have followed the same teachings and studies for the past 1,000 years or so that were given to the apostles by Jesus Christ. Now though you have all these new philosophies coming out that most are not even 100 years old, or even 20 years old trying to refute the original teachings as wrong.

For instance the many who use displacement theories, or misplacement theories. Quoting scriptures in bible as they don't apply any more ( when they do ), events have taken place already ( when they haven't ), or using only part of scriptures or canceling out others that were said ( Going by only part of what Jesus said to do ).

The ONLY philosophy I follow comes directly from the pages of the bible. The Hebrew Roots Movement is a new movement and a new philosophy. I never heard of it until I came here a year ago. Those who straddle a fence between Christian and Jew are literally doing something new. Yet I will admit that Paul had to deal with this same sort of issues. So as Solomon said, "There is nothing new under the sun" still holds true.

 

[danschance]

And if you can't see such things as that Christ and the Father are one, that knowing the Father well is knowing Christ well, or any of how Christ and the Father are related, then THAT is a problem you have. Rabbis had only scripture from the Father, and what they told of the Son. Their problem was the same as the one we have now, they didn't understand what scripture said about the first coming so assumed too much, just as we are doing about the second coming.

Please stop playing the victim. The Rabbis had much more than the the scriptures, They have the Talmud and traditions and most of them rejected the Son.

 

[danschance]

But many have no idea how God looks at the Jews, they don't read what the book of Romans says about that race, they don't know how to relate to them, they don't know the history of them as the bible shows us and as history since Christ has shown us, they don't know how God sees our similarities and our differences, so we repeat to you guys, Jesus was a Jew.

AGAIN, Who here has ever suggested Jesus was not a Jew?? Who here has said He might be a Greek or something other than a Jew? I KNOW He was a Jew and I have previously acknowledged He was a Jew. Kindergartners in most Christians schools know Jesus was a Jew. Can we move on from this or should we revisit the basics several hundred more times?

 

[danschance]

Jesus became a Jew to love the Jews and to show the Jews his love,.... there ya go. he was not born a Jew because he favored the Jews.. he came for sinners to call them into repentance.. and the Jew being circumcised in the old testament was to show god that they wanted to be obedient and to show there other fellow believers that they where serious about the faith.. just like in the new testament you show your brothers and god your faith by being baptized..

and about why women where not circumcised was because women where considered less defiling then men and because they could not be circumcised that is why we had baptism for both genders circumcision never saved like baptism.. circumcision was just for the male Jews to show there faith and also so the women could know they where not defiling animals or from another religion ie they where a Jew. God bless

For God so loved the (entire) world, He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life.

 

[Grandpa]

And thus the 10 commandments are removed from public places here in North America and we don't feel sorry?

Why would we?

But then the Holy Spirit would move one to keep the law.

I sometimes think you almost understand

It is clear that those who claim they are abiding in Christ, and I'm not saying I'm not, also say they could not keep the 10 commandments perfectly? It is clear that the Christ had never taught the law is done away with. And I know you know that Hizikyah and others like myself has explained endless times that we are not trying to fulfill but rather to obey the law through Christ so keep bring this argument up reflects your sincerity in dialogue.

Obey the law through Christ. If only you knew what that meant.

To avoid misunderstanding, Paul said upfront that he upholds the law. There's nothing to prove but to obey. Obedience is to show one's in Him and the law reflects whether one is obedient.

By their fruit you shall know them.

Only if one seek to justify by the law and again, either Hizikyah and others like myself seek to do that. Again, Paul did not even suggest the law is done away with in Galatians but rather one should be seek justification by the law.

If you are working at it then you are attempting to be justified by it. Its just a fact. Like if you are attempting to breathe air you are attempting to stay alive.

So what are you arguing here??

I wasn't arguing. I was stating a fact.

Against such there is no law does not remotely imply there is no law. The verse says against such, i.e. love, joy peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, there is no law.

Which of the laws aren't kept by the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

Yes there are but hardly those you speak against here.

I disagree.

Why are you so against him?

I don't like satan.

I love the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has done for me and done in me.