The Free Gift of Salvation

[TheWordOfKnowledge]

Here is a question for you. Something to make you think.

How does God tell time?

How does God measure time.

If any of you can correctly, answer this question, I will give you a blessing.

 

[TheWordOfKnowledge]

Same way we do I suppose...relative movement of the earth around the sun and the daily rotation of the earth.

Time was created long before the earth and the sun.

 

[doseofreality]

How does God measure time.

If any of you can correctly, answer this question, I will give you a blessing.

Haha and how exactly will you know if its the correct answer??

 

[doseofreality]

Time was created long before the earth and the sun.

Time is not a "thing" to be created. It is a measure used to denote change and the motion of matter.

As long as there are moving objects, time can be measured. Of course time is also relative based on your frame of reference and speed relative to other moving objects.

So I would conclude it is impossible to determine how a transcendent being outside our universe measures time.

 

[TheWordOfKnowledge]

Haha and how exactly will you know if its the correct answer??

I know the correct answer.

 

[TheWordOfKnowledge]

So I would conclude it is impossible to determine how a transcendent being outside our universe measures time.

Not if they tell you.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Here is a question for you. Something to make you think.

How does God tell time?

There is no time according to God, He invented the seasons for the purpose of man, but for God :

 2 Peter 3:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Time is insignificant

 

[SeaBass]

I understand that God has said my part is to receive what He has done. I cannot add to what Christ has done. My part is to say yes God I'm a sinner. Yes God I deserve to go to eternal condemnation. Yes God there is nothing I can do that is worthy of forgiveness. Thank you God for Your grace. God only You can save me from my sin. I give myself to You. You have promised to forgive any who will come to Christ. I come with nothing to give. By mercy forgive me and grant me eternal life.

That's my part. Jesus suffered bled and died. He then rose again from the tomb victorious over death and sin. That's His part. What is your part?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

God never told man that man's part in salvation is doing nothing.

 

[SeaBass]

But it sounds like you are trying to say that JESUS is talking about the physical because you gave the strongs definition.

If you are talking about what james said,

james 2:18-20

king james version(kjv)
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18[/SUP] .) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
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19[/SUP] .) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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20.)[/SUP] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Then I would say that james is telling the jews that if you had faith(talking about true belief), it would be expressed physically:But i think that is talking about sanctification,and they would not want to do that nor could they have done that unless they had accessed the grace GOD provided through faith.

But if we are talking about salvation then JESUS said that the works of GOD is to believe on the one GOD has sent,and that would be faith only in the spiritual.

Jesus used the word labour which means doing something, not just some mental activity. Believing includes repentance confession and submitting to baptism. James is pointing out that works prove faith, therefore if one has no works he cannot even prove he has faith.

 

[notuptome]

God never told man that man's part in salvation is doing nothing.

Then give me a detailed list of what man must do to be saved. Don't leave anything out as I would not want to miss by one deed. You know there is a guy near Manila that has been nailed to a cross twenty times hoping that God will notice and he will find favor.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[seed_time_harvest]

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Jesus used the word labour which means doing something, not just some mental activity. Believing includes repentance confession and submitting to baptism. James is pointing out that works prove faith, therefore if one has no works he cannot even prove he has faith.

The WORD discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart.GOD knows what a persons intentions are,and accounts it as righteous if that person believes.
Man looks at the outward appearance and would need to see physical work.

James was letting them know that if there faith was true,it would be expressed in action,works that could be seen physicaly by men,but GOD looks at the heart and would only look at the faith.

 

[SeaBass]

Then give me a detailed list of what man must do to be saved. Don't leave anything out as I would not want to miss by one deed. You know there is a guy near Manila that has been nailed to a cross twenty times hoping that God will notice and he will find favor.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Hear, Rom 10:17
believe, Jn 8:24
repent, Lk 13:3,5
confess, Matt 10:32,33
be baptized, Mk 16:16
keep Christ's works living faithful unto death, Rev 2:10.26



Now show me the verse that says "Do nothing and thou shalt be saved"

 

[crossnote]

Now show me the verse that says "Do nothing and thou shalt be saved"

Titus 3:4-6 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

And whatever 'good' we do , it is from Him.

 

[SeaBass]

.The WORD discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart.GOD knows what a persons intentions are,and accounts it as righteous if that person believes.
Man looks at the outward appearance and would need to see physical work.

James was letting them know that if there faith was true,it would be expressed in action,works that could be seen physicaly by men,but GOD looks at the heart and would only look at the faith.

Faith MUST have works, else it is dead.

 

[crossnote]

Faith MUST have works, else it is dead.

rather,

''Faith WILL have works, else it is dead.

 

[SeaBass]

Titus 3:4-6 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

And whatever 'good' we do , it is from Him.

Titus 3:5:

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;


"Works of righteousness we have done" refers to works of merit.

"Washing of regeneration" refers to water baptism.

So this verse makes a stark contrast between works of merit that do not save and the obeident work in submitting to water baptism that does save.

 

[SeaBass]

rather,

''Faith WILL have works, else it is dead.

Faith without works is dead being alone. So faith alone is dead being void of works, therefore cannot save. So a saving faith MUST have works.

 

[crossnote]

Titus 3:5:

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;


"Works of righteousness we have done" refers to works of merit.

"Washing of regeneration" refers to water baptism.

So this verse makes a stark contrast between works of merit that do not save and the obeident work in submitting to water baptism that does save.

If baptism saves, then it is only because it is a gift granted by God which we are invited to partake in and not a work which we do.
But in this verse I believe it is referring to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[SeaBass]

If baptism saves, then it is only because it is a gift granted by God which we are invited to partake in and not a work which we do.
But in this verse I believe it is referring to the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1 Pet 3:21 baptism does save, there is no "if" to it. And baptism saves because God has chosen baptism as the means by which He saves - cuts away the body of sin/remits sin. Therefore men must choose to submit to baptism, obeying the command to be baptized.

 

[notuptome]

Hear, Rom 10:17
believe, Jn 8:24
repent, Lk 13:3,5
confess, Matt 10:32,33
be baptized, Mk 16:16
keep Christ's works living faithful unto death, Rev 2:10.26



Now show me the verse that says "Do nothing and thou shalt be saved"

Jesus said believe Jesus did not say do this or that. Jesus did say it is finished.
John 3:18, 6:35, 6:47, 7:38, 11:25 and 12:44

For the cause of Christ
Rogerr