Did God lie???????

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TheAristocat

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I honestly dont know what kind of answer I wanted with all of this. I have been praying and asking God for some kind of understanding. I left a part of the story out with all my confirmations, but I made sure and meditated on it before I ever got into this relationship and I KNOW without a shaddow of a doubt that God told me this was my husband. I had my loved ones around me pray too, and they felt the same way. SOme of of them even got told Brian was the one for me before I even felt anything.

Now something else we prayed for right before we broke up, was for God to mold us into the man and woman He wanted us to be, because we were happy in our relationship, but knew something was really missing. God was our focus, but like you said before me, we both had baggage. I carried alot of insecurities, selfishness, trust issues, and he had gotten out of a bad breakup with a fiance not too long before we got into the relationship. I talked to him the other day and he told me that hes not looking and hasnt looked and has no desire to look, neither have I. I for some reason feel as if this is going to be a long process or I dont know......I feel down on my hope and faith in God. I love God so much and Hes been so good to me, but I dont ever feel this far away from God. The other day, I cursed God and felt like I didnt need him in my life, and THAT IS NOT ME......I felt so bad, but was just so mad!!!!! I didnt want to be in this relationship, I didnt want another broken heart, so I struggle........I dont know what answer I want to hear or if there is an answer. Its hard for me to reach out to God when I dont understand, and yet I am told to remember the promises He has told me. I feel like its impossible, and then Im told of Phil 4:13. Please pray for me....I hate being this so far from God. I want to be content with my life right now, where it is!!! I do know that God dosent lie, for scriptures says its impossible for him to lie, I just feel like he did, but yet, the future hasnt happened.
A vision, repetitive dream of similar content, audible voice, a message from a supposed prophet... these would all warrant closer attention. But people's opinions on what God is saying? And coincidences? It could be what God's saying. But it's a lot more like shooting in the dark.

I don't blame you if you're just downright mad. You can be mad at your husband. You can be mad at yourself. You can be mad at the people who are giving you what they think are revelations from God. But if you want to make sure that you're doing right you can always play it safe and not marry again. That's the only advice I can offer you with a guarantee of abiding in God's will.
 

tourist

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Just a quick comment.

There were times in my past where I felt God speak to me about someone and it didn't end well. So I think I understand some of your frustration.

There are really three options:
1) God lied to you.
2) God did not actually speak to you.
3) God is foretelling the future, meaning this will all work out and you and Brian will end up together however unlikely that is.

Decide for yourself which is most probable.
Somebody said this once somewhere and I believe it to be true and worth consideration:

After you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth.
 
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Somebody said this once somewhere and I believe it to be true and worth consideration:

After you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth.
Yes I have heard this...it is true as long as every option is considered.

Many times there are possible options that are never even considered so it is still wise not to assert the truth of an improbable claim.

**Also there is a danger in unknowingly falsely proclaiming the impossibility of an option.
 
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psalm6819

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Hi Rachel,

We cannot place our happiness in people - they will always disappoint (they may not want to). If you have the courage to put God first and trust Him, you'd be surprised how quickly He moves. In my life I have found when I am finally willing to give something up and put the Lord ahead it, all impediments are gone. God bless you and let you feel His arms around you, His beloved daughter.
 

RickyZ

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My wife and I dated for about 4 years, even lived together for a while. We broke up and went on to have other girl/boyfriends, but we remained friends as the others came and went. We knew each other for 12 years before we got engaged/married. We came to the realization that even tho some relationships have more - whatever -, this was the one that was going to stick around beyond that. So our wedding was not a vow to establish a new relationship, but to acknowlege the one that already existed. It's better to walk to the alter to acknowlege what exists, that to run to it thinking it's really going to make a difference.

Point is, if this person is truly the one you are to going spend the rest of your life with, then ... well ... what’s the rush? Don’t do anything hasty, even more don't do anything pushy, because when you look at the lifetime scale a little more time to be sure on this end is a good thing. If it’s meant to be there, it’s going to be there, whether you struggle for it or not.

It is our struggles that lead us to the impression that God lied.
 
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Ariel82

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God doesn't lie.

God should always come first.

If God told you to spend your whole life alone and dedicated to HIM, what would you tell Him?

Also, Why do you think its God's voice answering and not your own desires?
 

breno785au

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Uh, how can be sure you heard from God if your questioning if God lied to you? You need to go back to basics sister me thinks.
 
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RachelP03

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Hi Rachel,

I wanted to see what everyone else had to say before I posted. I debated on sharing this because it's a very personal story for me. I'll try to condense it and apologize if it seems a little lengthy.

When I was married, I came home from work one day to find half the contents of the house gone. My husband had moved out without telling me in the middle of the day, while I had been working. As you can imagine, I flew into an all-out panic attack. I had no idea where he went. After staying up 3 nights in a row (and I still suffer with insomnia 15 years later), I believed God told me, "Wait until the end of the month." I clung to that like a life preserver because it was all I had.

The entire month passed... and on the 29th, my husband asked to come home. I was OVERJOYED!!! A WORD FROM THE LORD!!! But in less than a month, he was gone again, and this time, for good. Was it God speaking to me? Maybe. But I have also learned that God speaks to us in bits and pieces.

God told Zechariah that he would have a son. He didn't tell him that his son would wind up losing his head as a trophy on an evil king's dinner plate. God told Mary that she would be the mother of the Christ. He didn't tell her she would see him tortured, brutalized, and then hung out to die among murderers for the entire world to see. Christians make the mistake of believing that if God tells them something, it's surely going to be a wonderful, happy ending. More often than not, this is not the case.

After my husband divorced me, well-meaning church members had all kinds of "hopeful" words for me, such as, "I really think the Lord is telling me that you are going to be married again in two years!" I have learned that in matters of the heart--significant others, babies, etc., BE VERY CAUTIOUS. The Bible tells us that the human heart is deceitful and in these matters especially, we have a tendency to lean towards our own feelings and pride ("The Lord gave me a word for you, sister!)

A year or two after my divorce, I believed God was telling me I was going to have a son. After reading the examples of how others reacted when being told this, I said, "All right, God, if I'm going to have a son, what should I name him?" I believe God told me to name him "Nathan, after Nathan the prophet, because he will confront people about their sins."

Sounds all good and spiritual, right? And, it was the only hope I had. I used to lay awake at night, rest my hands on my stomach, and imagine carrying my baby. Because I am adopted, this baby would be the only biological relative I would have. I would wrap my arms around my abdomen and think about how, at the moment I found out someday that I was pregnant, I would start talking to and reading to my son. As I said, it was my only hope, and it got me through so many cold and lonely nights.

It's been 15 years. No marriage--not even a boyfriend. Heck, not even someone I've had a second date with. I'm now 40 instead of 25, and due to various issues (I take care of myself but we all have health concerns beyond our control), I no longer even want a child. Yes, I know God can do anything. Even as a child, I never had a problem believing God can do anything. It's just that 9.99 times out of 10, He chooses not to, nor will He override human will (such as, force an unloving spouse to love us.)

You can imagine my devastation when I found out several years ago that my ex-husband remarried and had several children with his next wife. (He never spoke to me again after our court date, I found out through someone who found me on Facebook and had known us both.)

Did I hear from God? Did God lie to me? I know that God cannot lie. Was I just so desperate that my fragile mind made it all up, or did a demon speak to me in my weakness? To this day, I still feel tortured over this. And when I ask God, there is only silence.

I have a good friend who believed God had told them that if they quit their job by a certain time last year (they did not have any other job lined up), God would somehow allow them to meet the person who was supposed to be their spouse. This poor person is lamenting over their "lack of faith", saying, "If only I had listened and quit my job, I'm sure I wouldn't be alone right now."

I told them, "Sweetheart, if you had quit your job... the only different right now is that you'd be alone... and unemployed."

I don't have any answers, Rachel. But I will say from experience, please be careful about what people advise you regarding whom you should marry, and never rely on just one person's testimony. The Bible tells us to get confirmation, and that there is safety among a multitude of counselors.

And if Brian really is meant to be your husband? The most discouraging thing to me is that while God MIGHT be telling us so-and-so is meant to be our spouse, He doesn't say it will be happy, or that it will work out, or that the other person will even want to be our spouse. And if they choose not to be, God will not make them--their disobedience is something they have to take up with Him.

In the meantime, be encouraged to seek what plans God has for YOU. I can relate to much of what you've shared... and my heart truly goes out to you.


Thank you so much for sharing your story with me and Im sorry for everything you have gone through. I honestly understand that alot of people dont really get "hearing from God', because I know people all around me that dont hear Him like I do, but then I know people who does hear Him like I do. I really think its a gift and I feel its how we are made. I also can hear the enemy just as easily, but I always rebuke Satan in Jesus Name when I hear something so I can know the difference. I do get when I tell people that I hear God they look at me funny and question myself.

I could probably write a book on events that has happened in my life that I told someone before they happened. No I dont believe in physcics, but I feel as if they are warnings. As long as I can remember I never listened to people. I remember as a child, I would always get in trouble and get hurt cause I didnt listen. I always felt more "in tuned" I guess, with the Holy Spirit. My grandpa who is one of the most Godliest men I know, never heard God speak, but feels in his heart. I question his walk sometimes, but I have realized that we are all made different with different gifts and talents. I know God knows me and knows I am eager to listen and hear what the next step is in my life. I feel as if Im David in the Bible, who is after Gods own heart, not perfect, mess up, but at the end of the day, want to please God.

I will admit my story with this.......After my husband left me, my husbands best friend wife left him, and we were all friends. So after a few months of me and the "best friend" crying together over what our spouses did, ended up committing aduletery together. The whole entire time, I knew it was wrong. The Holy Spirit, YELLED AT ME, and I didnt listen. I fell in love with this man, and I couldnt escape. I would cry at night laying in bed next to him, because of my walk with the Lord was distant, from my choice. Everyday I told him that he was not the one for me, because thats what I felt, thats what the Holy SPirit, God, told me. I knew it without a shadow ofa doubt, I knew that is what God told me.

THe same feeling, the same voice, the same emotion with Brian, is He is the one. I wanted the "best friend" to be the one, because I fell in love with him, but I knew it wasnt meant for me. NOW, I DIDNT WANT BRIAN TO BE THE ONE WHEN I MET HIM, but GOd worked in me, in my heart and opened my eyes to see that this was the man that God had for me.

DO I go around listening to anyone who tells me that God told them something? I hear it, but I also pray for God to give me confirmation or to clarify it, if it is truly His will, because I believe God uses other people in our lives, and I pray for God to give me clairification.

Now when I wrote this post, I really was so lost and confused and I feel like the enemy got me at my weakness, doubting GOd, doubting what I heard, what I felt and if he even loved me or existed. IF you truly knew me, you would know my faith is always strong.

I feel like every 3 years, God gives me a trial.
At 16 my mother died of cancer
At 19 I was faced with cancer
At 22 I miscarried twins
At 25 my husband leaves
At 28 This is going on......I remember telling Brian that this is the 3rd year.......I knew.....something was going to happen. This isnt as bad as those before, but it def is a growing time and a time where I need to understand what GOd is trying to teach me.

I do appreiciate everyone writing me and giving me their input, but I DO KNOW WHAT I HEARD, WHAT I FELT, AND I KNOW IT WAS THE FROM THE LORD!!!! I am going to hold on to the promises God has told me, and if for some reason what I feel changes, I will be be asking God for an understanding, because I dont want to be confused in another man walks into my life. I need to have faith that all things will work out to my good for those who love and follow God.
 

Jackson123

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Did God Lie?

The answered is no.

I experience the similar situation. I think God spoke to me but some time it just my strong desire that make look like God spoke to me.

If God really speak to me than it must happen.

I have a friend, he have a visions about who is next pope after Benedict, and happen exactly.

Than he tell me the same spirit that give him a visions come and give another vision that last February America will be Tsunami and not happen.

Than he conclude the spirit that give him a vision who replace Benedict is not God spirit.

He warn me not rush to believe every spirit.

The other spirit may pretend to be the spirit of God.

And the bible warn us to examine all the spirit.

Sister, don't be discourage. most people have this kind of experience me include. We think we hear from the Lord, but it may just our own desire.

The Lord let it happen to make us mature Christian.
 

ola

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Hebrews 6:18 TranslationsKing James Version (KJV) That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us.
 

DuchessAimee

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Somebody said this once somewhere and I believe it to be true and worth consideration:

After you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth.
Yes I have heard this...it is true as long as every option is considered.

Many times there are possible options that are never even considered so it is still wise not to assert the truth of an improbable claim.

**Also there is a danger in unknowingly falsely proclaiming the impossibility of an option.


Albert Einstein said it.
 

DuchessAimee

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I do appreiciate everyone writing me and giving me their input, but I DO KNOW WHAT I HEARD, WHAT I FELT, AND I KNOW IT WAS THE FROM THE LORD!!!! I am going to hold on to the promises God has told me, and if for some reason what I feel changes, I will be be asking God for an understanding, because I dont want to be confused in another man walks into my life. I need to have faith that all things will work out to my good for those who love and follow God.


Look. This is going to sound antagonistic, but oh well. If you actually believe that you know what you heard was from the Lord, and there is no chance that you could possibly be wrong, then why did you post this?



It's for one or all of these reasons.

1) You're actually not sure what you heard and you're hoping someone online will tell you what you think you heard is valid.

2) You're making some (or all) of this up and you're looking for attention.

3) You completely believe what you think you heard is correct, and you're looking for a fight. You're trolling.



So, fess up. Which is it?