The Letter to the Romans...

homwardbound · May 4, 2014

Even the demons have Faith, one exercises the faith in Father through Son and they just says they believe and does not exercise it

Which now I see you are going to call this works and no works, thanks in advance
Now what is works and what is not?
What are works of self?
What are the works of God?
Which works count before God?
Which works count before mankind?
Will any flesh please Father besides Christ's flesh?

homwardbound · May 4, 2014

SeaBass said:

Father through Son has sent out the invitation to all, through the Spirit of truth, (Father) in the form of the Holy Spirit as started on the day of Pentecost. Father has reached out to all by this amazing Mercy to all over any sacrifice from anyone.
Al, that is left to do after the cross, death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and delivery of the Holy Ghost is shown, to either believe God or not in all he has done for you period
So all sins are forgiven and unbelief is not a sin, until after one decides consciously not to believe, and then it is Blasphemy and will never be forgiven
So either you do believe or you do not? Maybe you are on your way to the whole truth in being set free, I do not know, but I know God does, so therefor I make:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Knowing God has caused me to stand through all my tragedies, and now glory in them all, never did at first, yet God being Faithful, continued on to show me
I lived like a refugee then, and today I do not, for I trust God and do not use being forgiven as an excuse to harm anyone
Thanks to Christ I am delivered to Father as perfect by Son's perfect death and Father takes me and works with me to teach me all truth that sets me free.
This truth is also for you Brother and all that have chosen to believe, so do you believe, and since you have believed has God forgotten you? Or is father going to carry on the work Father started in you from that very first day you beleived, when the love of Father overjoyed you, and has been lost in the works you are trying to do and can't, being miserable, maybe more miserable that you were before you believed, which is the crafty work of the devil, to trip manmkind up and has done an amazing job to fool even the very elect of God.
So go to your closet and pray Brother, please and seek the Mercy, knowing you are not worthy ever

homwardbound · May 4, 2014

SeaBass said:

Man is left with only one choice to believe or not believe, the wedding feast is a coming, please accept and not be too busy with your works and miss out

Hoffco · May 4, 2014

It is like we say, "put up or shut up". The Bible says, show me your works to show your faith, or shut your mouth., James and 1John are very clear, if one says all I need is faith in Jesus, they must shut up or put up some good deeds to prove their vain, empty talk. Love Hoffco

Hoffco · May 4, 2014

Our lives must be filled with the Holy Spirit and holy deeds OR we are left behind when the master, the groom, comes. Or, it is, "depart from Me, you workers of iniquity." Love Hoffco

Hoffco · May 4, 2014

The question one must answer is, Am I Born of God, can I show evidences of the holy calling of God? If not, I am lost and need to beg God for saving mercy. We must preach for conviction and converts to the Jesus way of life, walking the narrow holy highway to Heaven. The Devil pushes dead "faith only", God pushes the Faith that works by loving God and my neighbor. Love Hoffco

Hoffco · May 4, 2014

As I am trying to teach: salvation has two sides: God's side and man's side. Begin with man's helplessness, to do anything but beg God for mercy; then teach God as mighty to save, by the miracle of the powerful new birth, making the dead sinner alive in and to Christ. Then tell sinners to repent of sin, trust Jesus alone and obey Jesus alone. Then, we will see God work, and sinners converted. The heavens are as hard as brass today, God will not hear sinners who want just a free gift of eternal life with no obligation to repent and obey. Our churches are full of fundamental, dead sinners. Love to all who love God's truth, Hoffco

homwardbound · May 5, 2014

Hoffco said:

Faith in Christ our propitiation for all sin ever committed, produces the love of this that is received from Father through Son in one's belief of this, and we are newsboys, not editors as many are being

To show works to prove one's Faith, is a work of look at me, and a manipulation of truth
Yet God's works are shown through the one's that believe (have Faith) in love as in 1 Cor 13:4-13, that no humankind, nature can do
Is there a difference in Flesh and Spirit of God? Will any flesh ever please God outside of Christ's?
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
A quickening Spirit, where is there any flesh here involved but to :
Acts 17:28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Are we not to be as Paul:

Galatians 2:20
I am crucifiedwithChrist: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Is there a me here in this, a new me you might say, and the new me is hidden in Christ in Spirit and truth. Now longer alive to this world

homwardbound · May 5, 2014

Hoffco said:

And so Paul who gloried in his need in his iniquities in wrong? 2 Cor 12
[h=3]2 Corinthians 12:7-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Yuoi admit you are weak, but you deny it in trying to be perfect, and are being sent the messenger of Satan to knock you down to humble you, and the same is for me as well
So I glory in my weakness, every time i am reminded I need Father through Son, do you agree?

homwardbound · May 5, 2014

Hoffco said:

Why when Father's Spirit has testified to your Spirit that you are his, would you or anyone have to show proof? this is a man's will you speak, where did Jesus have to prove, and where did he ever say go and tell others, when he specifically said do not. Trying to prove anything to others is of flesh, not of God, that person looking for credit, becoming the center of attention. and Christ refused this centeredness and gave all praises to Father, did he not?
Now do you see why, it is all God and none of me, you, or anyone else that gets the praises

homwardbound · May 5, 2014

Hoffco said:

Do you understand the mystery? since the beginning of the world?
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Did Christ go to the cross without man's help, could he have fought back? Why did he not, I mean he was ands is perfect is he not?
So what purpose except to do what?
It is finished it is done by his death we are made Holy to Father, why?
In order to give us new life in Spirit and truth, how is this all received? Faith
Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Romans 2:23 thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

I used to be boastful about what I did and did not do, thinking I rest in God and others did not as I do
BOY WAS I WRONG

Hoffco · May 5, 2014

Lets say with Paul." I can do all things thru Christ who strengthens me." My weaknesses do not stop God from using my witness for Jesus. Yesterday I came out of a very bad meeting with a christian friend who condemned me for taking a stand for Christ with a muslim official of Davao city, I had denounced allah as a false god and that she was a pagan by rejecting Christ; my "christian" friend said I had sinned, in denouncing allah to her face and calling her a pagan, ignorant of the true God, Jesus. WOW! How stupid can christians be. I was rebuked by a christian pastor for wanting him to say ,as He gave food to the pagans ,some muslims, "in Jesus name, I give you this food", He said to me, "we must be careful, many pastor have been killed by muslins". I said, "sorry, I want my rice given in Jesus name. I will find a pastor who will give it in Jesus name". That same day I was blessed in Jesus name, by others, to whom I preached Jesus to, in the Jeepie. People are blessing Jesus for my witness of Jesus as I get older and weaker every day, I will rejoice in my infirmities even as leaders in the "christian" churches reject me. Christian, we must let others see our love and good works so they glorify God for/because of, Love to all, hoffco us.

homwardbound · May 6, 2014

Hoffco, I appreciate you to stand firm for we are in this world under Courts and synagogues for his name sake. And to me everywhere I go I see this world as nothing but Courts and synagogues, under the highways and bi-ways, in season and out of season. realizing this:
[h=3]Matthew 10:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

[h=3]Matthew 10:17[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

[h=3]Matthew 10:18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

[h=3]Matthew 10:19[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

[h=3]Matthew 10:20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

So do you see this, I think you do, and so maybe ask yourself if you in what you said to her was it wise?
For we are to be:
Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

So where you harmless or condemning to her, and is her reaction to you ______________________.
For is it not?

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Could this have been said to bring her to repentance maybe?
You decide if you got in the way or not?
Love you Brother and her whom you rebuked, God Father knows what to do in response to us whenever we Fail and that is to teach us not condemn us you think?

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

And yet seem to condemn others, when it is love that turned me around and you?

Hoffco · May 6, 2014

The point is to be wise and do no one harm. Do not hit or attack physically, be as harmless as a dove. For me to be wise means ,share all the truth of the Gospel. I can not worry about how people receive the truth; Jesus speaks of persecution as a given fact, "when they take you to court" it will happen. If we seek to teach God's way. persecution is a given. Seeking to avoid persecution is wise, but not always possible. today Christians condemn Jesus and Paul, by saying, but Doug you are not Jesus or paul, as to say, lets not be so stupid to stir up peoples anger. ??? I'm not sure what they mean.??? BUT, we are told to be bold as the Apostles in the book of acts and yet , don't get thrown into jail or in trouble with the law. ??? IMPOSSIBLE,! This seeker friendly has destroyed the Gospel.! I seek to be very simple, so a child can understand the Gospel. I teach: Repent of sin, bad things, do good things, and I talk of God's commandments, Jesus loved them, once, so much He died for their sins, to forgive them, if they would say, "I am sorry, Jesus". And I always tell people ,they must trust Jesus ,only Jesus can save them. And, I tell them they have to be real and obey Jesus in all they do. This is a saving response to the Gospel of God. Trust and obey. No other god but the Bibles God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. How can I do anything less and be faithful to God? Please read Paul on Athens hill. This is what Paul said. like." you people are so ignorant, you have all the gods and the"unknown god", repent and come to Jesus, the true ?God! The unknown GOD to you ignorant fools. ??/ this is friendship evangelism??? LOL OK, I am as friendly as possible, OK? But, I must give a clear witness. But, I always carry a weapon, we have the right to defend our selves and my friends. To bear arms, Right.? so carry a weapon. Right? Love Hoffco , I am told, there are some towns in the west, where all carry a gun, openly.

Hoffco · May 6, 2014

REmember, the truth sets us free, not the love of God. It is the combination of truth,love and power of God and the conviction of a preacher telling the truth message of the Gospel of God that converts the sinner. Love Hoffco

Hoffco · May 6, 2014

There is sooo much great truth in Romans 9 that we are hardly touching ; But no one, except two of us, is bring these truths out or making comments, soo, I think we should move on to Ch. 9:30-10:21. This is point: V. B. Israel's Present history, 2,000 yrs. God sets Israel aside for judgment, and God focuses on the whole world, Jews and Gentiles. Israel is presently regathered to their home land after 1900 yrs in exile into the world. Israel is still in a state of unbelief, rebellion and under God's punishment. , as is the whole world. But God is saving His elect by grace, not works. Several points are made by Paul: 1. 9:30-33 Israel fails to receive their messiah. They had no real faith or understanding of their Old Testament scriptures. 2. 10:1-3 Paul is wanting his nation to be saved but it can not be, because they want to save themselves by their works. They fail to see: a. 10:4 For Christ is the end/goal of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Both, "end" and "goal" are right , because Christ does away with the Mosaic law and establishes His law of His New Covenant for us who believe. b. 10:5 "For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness." 100% obedience is required under the law, sooo forget it.. c. 10:6-13 "But the righteousness based on faith speaks thus,...for whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved." If we will confess Jesus as LORD and believe in His resurrection, we will be saved. There must be the willingness to submit our lives to Jesus! NOT faith only. d. 10:14-16 preachers preached, BUT Israel would not believe. AND, YET, paul says this: 10:17 "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God/Christ." This is a very mysterious verse, which is obviously forced in here illogically ,soo it must be only half true; Because the point Paul is making is Israel hear for centuries but refused to believe.

Hoffco · May 6, 2014

Sorry I had to post before my power went off. I will continue. I am saying : verse 10:17, point e. is only a half truth. God does this with "faith" verses all the times. It is common for God to summarize a verse with "faith" / "believe" only and not to mention repent and obey, which are the other requirements for salvation. And at other times God will say "obey" only, no "faith", or "faith and obedience". This is why we can not base our salvation on one side of the truth only, salvation is a many side truth. There is an other, not so good explanation, of this verse, but I will see if any one brings it out, ??? NOW point f. 10:18-21 Israel heard the truth sooo many times but only the "elect" came to the faith, because the rest were an "disobedient and obstinate people." Lets discuss this, ch,10, let me hear you comments, Please. Love to all, Hoffco

homwardbound · May 8, 2014

Hoffco said:

Thank you, in all your realism, The sword, double edged is the word of God from God alone to work through us the vessels only as vessels
Just as the Apostles had to wait for what? they could have gone out before hand. could they have not, they had the knowledge they saw Christ resurrected and hung around for forty days explaining truth to them, yes or no?
So why did they have to wait? Who did the saving through them on that day of Pentecost? God or them? Were they nothing more than vessels as Christ was this was Christ not, just a vessel, used by God in Christ's willingness
Who did the work, Christ or Father?
We are to be born again and alive in Spirit and truth, right? So are we to do the work or trust God to do it through us as Christ did 100%
Otherwise there is no purpose in waiting for God to come, live in and through you is there?
For if man could do what man thinks he can, then there is no need for Christ, His death, burial and resurrection is void then.

homwardbound · May 8, 2014

Hoffco said:

Therefore you, me and all others have no converts, none, For God has them all through you, me and all who give up to trust God to do the works needed through them to others, and so one can rest while they work harder than they ever did before yet now at rest in it, knowing all things work together for God's good, not mine or anyone else's

homwardbound · May 8, 2014

Hoffco said:

Doesn't that just boil down to either one believes God or not? And truly only God knows who are his and who are faking it, correct?
So it is by Faith (belief) one is saved.
Is that not when God seals the believer and goes to work in teaching us truth from errors that sets us free? Father is now capable to live in us and through us as he did at Pentecost, thanks to Son who made us perfect in the sight of Father even if one does sin, and we hope not, but if we have Christ the righteous as our forever Advocate, that makes constant intercession for us as we learn from Father how to say no to any unrighteousness
Truth or error Brother?

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