Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Truth or error is the dare
- Howard Schultz If viewed as rules then yes, for rebellion comes from the commanding of others and self too
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Just a little something to think about::
Galatians 6:8
Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life
AKJV Translation is:
Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Note: the different translations: one states it as as long as you do not sow (think) to please their flesh, will not reap destruction!
The other reads, whoever even thinks of their flesh will reap destruction, whether they want to or not
So how are we doing in trying not to do something we think about often that we do not want to do? Especially behind closed doors, and every time end up doing what we do not want to do, and stay guilty, and ask for more forgiveness, feel forgiven and stand right back up to not do it again and still do it again?
Something has got to be not right, yes? Did God or does God not want us to not do what we know not to do? A big yes or no, will turn around the outcome here, maybe, if you are worn out, in the energy (trying to stop this ongoing problem) maybe, ready?
Are you sure? Okay
God does not want you to stop sinning, why?
Because you can't, you are in the Flesh Nature alive to be selfish and if death knocks on your door you will choose to live and not die, right? Kill or be killed, right? Is this not what we are taught here on earth?
Why does God not want me to quit as an example committing Adultery in my own mind thoughts? Or getting anger in my way and yell at my significant other, behind closed doors?
("Because we can't"), How; long have you personally tried, or have you ever tried, being convicted by others, and or by reading the word?
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Do we not see the truth that we are born after the similitude of Adam after he fell and knew he was Naked and had to cover up? And went and hid, not wanting to be exposed?
I admit, I have had bad thoughts and lashed out in anger in the past, and "I" could do it again and again and agian, and have in the past. Each time after sought forgiveness and stated "I" will never do it again, anyone else in agreement and are doing this and have and could again, even if have stopped it for now?
And what do we do? Every time I wish to do good I find me doing it for a short while, maybe a week, maybe two or just a day, either way, "I" a war going on in me, do you see the same in you? And whenever you do good, do you get a thought that says hey look at you, you have not gotten angry for the last week or two?
What pretty much happens from that thought as soon as you say why yes, "I" have?
Do you see pride, boasting, prejudice, clouding you as if you are better than others? As if God who loves us all the same, is saying look at you as he said this is my Son, in whom "I"(God) am well pleased?
You decide is that what God wants from us, to be perfect? And you as "I" just replied why yes perfect is what God wants from us?
So the question then is how can I, you, or anyone else be perfect, since, we now see we can't and are stuck in the trying to be and just can't quite do it. I mean I know we are taught to be and can't, can we?
What does scripture say, by Christ we are, what did Christ do fro us in Father's view?
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Is the above Scripture truth or error, I dare you to make you Holy as Christ is? When you see you can't, maybe, you, I and all that see this might give up, you think and agree with Father that through Son we are made Holy to Father point of view, and if we do this, we are then presented to Father in us seeing this now are we not?
How will we respond to this after trying for so many years to be made Holy, through trying to be Holy, and finally seeing the only way to be is by accepting God. For it is done for us through Son Christ?
So I can relax now, right and rest now right and trust Father that it is done, responding with thanksgiving and praise right?
What happens the moment you have doubt in this accomplished done work of Christ for you?
That has made you Holy by his death, are you able to see the new life in trying to do what is already done for you? No, why
Because again we are back to works of self, masquerading as if God is behind it, when it quite possibly is not, but the pats on the back from others is convinced that is not true, it is from God, I know because my Church says so, if I do good God will reward me.
And Christ said do not do your good works as to be seen by men, truly that is the only reward they will get, and do not be like the Heathen, praying prayers over and over again, or disfigure yourself to gain attention, truly these that do such have gotten their reward
Rather go in private and pray, and Father who knows all secrets will openly reward us, for Father knows all our needs before we even ask
So the? Remains, do you believe Father through Son that by Son you are Holy, before Father, whether you sin or not?
If you do sin, are you still forgiven through Son or not?
You decide, if you want the new life where you walk in dependence on self efforts, thanks to Father, in deception and keep on sinning, taking Father's grace through Son for granted, as we all have been doing; being taught wrong, to ask for more forgiveness after we are forgiven by Christ when we have by lip service said we believe, do we?
Is there any more forgiveness to be executed to us from Father through Son, since his Son is done and already went to death for us?
I think great you have the Zeal, the want, the desire to do right by Father through Son and are busy doing your best to be like him and can't can you? Me either
So what do we do? Ever thought to give up, God does not want me to stop sinning, because when I try, I find I can't and am perplexed when I am of the thought that God wants me to stop sinning, and I do not.
Well so then if we see this, that we can't, why are we still trying, going from guilt to try again and if succeed at it, get boastful and proud in ourselves thinking Father is pleased with us if we do and not if we don't. When quite possibly Father is not pleased either way?
Can you now see it is all God and none of anyone else, all glory goes to Father through Son, and see they are one yet two?
Prayers to us all, to see truth that sets us free from stress and worry, while in the midst of troubles here on earth. to give us Faith that has no doubt in Father through Son. And by this Faith it is done, from Father's sight we are now Holy thanks to Son, no second guessing, truth is truth, so now go walk in it, praying Father reveals this to you, and me each day as I have agreed to reckon me dead to my Adam nature I was born with, being transferred to Christ the Second Adam that did it right, and did not take a bite from the tree of death as Adam did. Therefore you all we have new life right here right now in the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth. To be alive in Spirit of Father is wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Praying you see to stop works and believe Father, and then be led by Father to do or not do works of Father, not mankind’s, that appear right, and deceive us.
Love you all and hope for this:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
When we see what I wrote the Love of God for you first, then you will see and love as God does. It is not an effort it is what it is, it is a response, where ones burden and yoke is light and easy as Christ said it is. So take it on and believe no matter what others say or do. Father will do with them, and either they will believe or they will not
Remember this song anyone
“CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SON, THERE WILL BE PEACE WHEN YOU ARE DONE"
So are we going to carry on and just love all, no matter what and do this by trusting God to teach us not mankind as mankind has taken over as oracles have they not?
Love forever in Spirit and truth to all
Homwardbound, for Christ came to set us free and we shall b e free indeed, shall we not?
It is by God and through God we are set free alone, and by no works of our own, in Fact all my self works ever done with burn up on Judgement day, as I go through the fire, so I have asked here in the present for Father to turn on the fire from his Holy Spirit and burn out all dross today forever. And Father has not failed me in this.
And the fires I have been through have perfected me in him to trust Father through all of it, as when one peels an onion it brings tears, yet when get to the middle it is sweet
Praying you decide to ask for truth over error, and have it scorched out of you? It is worth it in the long run, and am not rich in wealth from earth at all, am rich in Faith, and tha tis all I need is Father and got Father thanks to Son, it is done
Love you
And the fires I have been through have perfected me in him to trust Father through all of it, as when one peels an onion it brings tears, yet when get to the middle it is sweet
Praying you decide to ask for truth over error, and have it scorched out of you? It is worth it in the long run, and am not rich in wealth from earth at all, am rich in Faith, and tha tis all I need is Father and got Father thanks to Son, it is done
Love you
[h=3]Acts 10:35[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP]but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Why would I disagree with that. For in these the unfathomable love of God to flesh nature is begun, as is in you by God bringing it to completion in Spirit and truth, and when that comes to completion by Father through Son in you, you will be free indeed and see what is trying to be said to you, for :
Perfect love casts out fear and Christ is this perfect love, and if you are in fear you are not yet perfected in God's type of love, best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
[SUP]35 [/SUP]but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Why would I disagree with that. For in these the unfathomable love of God to flesh nature is begun, as is in you by God bringing it to completion in Spirit and truth, and when that comes to completion by Father through Son in you, you will be free indeed and see what is trying to be said to you, for :
Perfect love casts out fear and Christ is this perfect love, and if you are in fear you are not yet perfected in God's type of love, best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
Working God's righteousness of Acts 10:35 is not works of merit, these two completely different types of works. So those whose faith works God's righteousness are accepted with God. Doing God's righteousness is this "obedience of faith" Paul speaks about.
Rom 10:3 Paul in this one verse CONTRASTS works of merit that the Jews were doing that does not save and submitting/obeying God's righteousness/commands that does save.
Rom 10:3 Paul in this one verse CONTRASTS works of merit that the Jews were doing that does not save and submitting/obeying God's righteousness/commands that does save.
I posted Acts 10:35 and said God accepts those that work righteousness.
Your reply: (blue)
Not if it is of self, the carnal nature, and I do not need to know if this is true or not with you, for you and God knoweth and I am at peace with this knowing God knoweth
You said not of self. So man cannot work righteousness unless God/Holy spirit first "empowers" him?
Look, if "I" present you with a gift of life, and you say you don't want it, you can do this yourself, you have rejected the gift how is that my fault or God's if one rejects the gift?
Or even better, The master went out and saw some men in need to work, and the Master hired them for the day at $200.00 dollars for that days work, and they are humping it and others come along and work beside them at different times of the day, and then the bell rings for the end of that day, and it's payday.
Now the Master comes up in front of them top give them all their pay, and says to his servant that is going to pay them start with the last and give them $200.00 each. So this starts and the ones that were first are now in their thoughts are expectant, thinking wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is paying those that came in last the same as we agreed to be paid for the whole day, I bet we get a bonus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then when it came to them they got the same exact pay, and turned in anger, saying we worked harder than all the rest, and we deserve more, why are you unfair, I worked hard did I not?
And the Master replies did you agree to work for $200.00 for the day? They reply yes.
So where have I (the Lord) been unfair have you not gotten what is agreed to? they replied yes.
So you mean to tell me you are mad at me because I am kind?
Love you SeaBass
Or even better, The master went out and saw some men in need to work, and the Master hired them for the day at $200.00 dollars for that days work, and they are humping it and others come along and work beside them at different times of the day, and then the bell rings for the end of that day, and it's payday.
Now the Master comes up in front of them top give them all their pay, and says to his servant that is going to pay them start with the last and give them $200.00 each. So this starts and the ones that were first are now in their thoughts are expectant, thinking wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he is paying those that came in last the same as we agreed to be paid for the whole day, I bet we get a bonus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then when it came to them they got the same exact pay, and turned in anger, saying we worked harder than all the rest, and we deserve more, why are you unfair, I worked hard did I not?
And the Master replies did you agree to work for $200.00 for the day? They reply yes.
So where have I (the Lord) been unfair have you not gotten what is agreed to? they replied yes.
So you mean to tell me you are mad at me because I am kind?
Love you SeaBass
Yep and that is contingent on whether or not you believe God completely, in Christ that Christ took all your sins away at his death, so that you can be presented to Father as sinless, because Father can't see sin, if does, you are smitten very fast, as he did in the First Testament many times to those that were not covered by blood
read it Exodus 4, where God came to kill Moses, when Moses was on his way to do God's work, and had doubt, what stopped God from killing Moses. Yep the blood, that his wife threw on him, yes sir ye.
Fast forward today, after the cross Christ made the way for us all, if we will get into Fatrher's shelter under the blood smothered and covered. Then we are transformed from flesh dearth to Spirit life in Spirit and truth where today is the only way Father is served
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
read it Exodus 4, where God came to kill Moses, when Moses was on his way to do God's work, and had doubt, what stopped God from killing Moses. Yep the blood, that his wife threw on him, yes sir ye.
Fast forward today, after the cross Christ made the way for us all, if we will get into Fatrher's shelter under the blood smothered and covered. Then we are transformed from flesh dearth to Spirit life in Spirit and truth where today is the only way Father is served
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Thanks Sirk
Any and all contradictions when I see them, it is to me like a Billy Goat, it Butts in to discount the truth.
Like me saying to my wife hey honey, lets get Married and she replies what? We are Married. I say well let's get married again? And she says that is ignorant we are already Married
Are we all hearing God
I say God forgive me, I just sinned, and Father replies you are already forgiven by my Son, through his last sacrifice and last shedding of blood for you.
And we Butt in as a Billy Goat BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So either one believes God all the way or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Is that true or false above? And how can anyone make this any more Holy? Sp we are left with to either believe or not to believe that from Father through Son it is done and we are presented to Father as Holy to receive the new life from Father as a gift complete, and thus we walk as Christ walked in Love for and to all as Newsboys and girls, no more editing sand forsaking truth
So we continue in::
Colossians 1:21-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
Any and all contradictions when I see them, it is to me like a Billy Goat, it Butts in to discount the truth.
Like me saying to my wife hey honey, lets get Married and she replies what? We are Married. I say well let's get married again? And she says that is ignorant we are already Married
Are we all hearing God
I say God forgive me, I just sinned, and Father replies you are already forgiven by my Son, through his last sacrifice and last shedding of blood for you.
And we Butt in as a Billy Goat BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So either one believes God all the way or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Is that true or false above? And how can anyone make this any more Holy? Sp we are left with to either believe or not to believe that from Father through Son it is done and we are presented to Father as Holy to receive the new life from Father as a gift complete, and thus we walk as Christ walked in Love for and to all as Newsboys and girls, no more editing sand forsaking truth
So we continue in::
Colossians 1:21-23
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;