Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Galatians 4:4-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When the time came to completion, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] to redeem those under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When the time came to completion, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] to redeem those under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”
another big word might, those who are sons received the power to become a Son of God it is evident because he knows who he is writing to, but he doesn’t know you or me. So when he is talking in a general sense he says we might because it depends on an action by (we). But to those whom the letter is directed he knows so he says you are.
So the question still remain. Do you deny God gave you power to become a Son of God?
So the question still remain. Do you deny God gave you power to become a Son of God?
[h=3]James 1:3-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
1 Peter 3:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
2 Corinthians 6:4-7 (ASV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but in everything commending ourselves, as ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] in stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in watchings, in fastings;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] in pureness, in knowledge, in long suffering, in kindness, in the Holy Spirit, in love unfeigned,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] in the word of truth, in the power of God; by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
2 Corinthians 6:4-7 (ASV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but in everything commending ourselves, as ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] in stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in watchings, in fastings;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] in pureness, in knowledge, in long suffering, in kindness, in the Holy Spirit, in love unfeigned,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] in the word of truth, in the power of God; by the armor of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
I told you that I certainly did answer it.
Yes, and that power specifically is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as LORD, which means Master, which at that very moment we are SAVED, not by anything we did but because of EVERYTHING HE DID. The sons of GOD is a position of adoption, that is part of when the Holy Spirit brings our once dead spirit to eternal life HE then immerses us INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST. The HOLY SPIRIT also empowers us to live and walk a lifestyle of obeying HIM purely because we LOVE HIM. Our human spirits are led by the HOLY SPIRIT to LOVE GOD and to manifest that love for HIM by obedience, because HE SAVED US, the moment we believed.
1 Corinthians 12:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore I am informing you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” {as a confession, ref: Rom. 10:9} except by the Holy Spirit. {There is the POWER to become an adopted son of GOD.}
Romans 8:14-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]All those led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father!”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself testifies together with our spirit that we are God’s children,
Ephesians 1:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He predestined us to be adopted through Jesus Christ for Himself, according to His favor and will,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] to the praise of His glorious grace that He favored us with in the Beloved.
Yes, and that power specifically is to believe and receive Jesus Christ as LORD, which means Master, which at that very moment we are SAVED, not by anything we did but because of EVERYTHING HE DID. The sons of GOD is a position of adoption, that is part of when the Holy Spirit brings our once dead spirit to eternal life HE then immerses us INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST. The HOLY SPIRIT also empowers us to live and walk a lifestyle of obeying HIM purely because we LOVE HIM. Our human spirits are led by the HOLY SPIRIT to LOVE GOD and to manifest that love for HIM by obedience, because HE SAVED US, the moment we believed.
1 Corinthians 12:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Therefore I am informing you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” {as a confession, ref: Rom. 10:9} except by the Holy Spirit. {There is the POWER to become an adopted son of GOD.}
Romans 8:14-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]All those led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father!”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself testifies together with our spirit that we are God’s children,
Ephesians 1:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He predestined us to be adopted through Jesus Christ for Himself, according to His favor and will,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] to the praise of His glorious grace that He favored us with in the Beloved.
[h=3]1 Thessalonians 1:4-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
All of them, does that make me am I then sinless? NO, no one is sinless in this mortal body! ONLY when He gives us our glorified body will we be sinless. When will that happen? When HE calls us to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven.
And it is NOT my opinion on how it works. ALL OF MY FAITH AND BELIEFS ARE BASED ON SCRIPTURE.
John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
Romans 10:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {not just profess} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, {which means MASTER} and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
And it is NOT my opinion on how it works. ALL OF MY FAITH AND BELIEFS ARE BASED ON SCRIPTURE.
John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in Him,
Romans 10:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {not just profess} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, {which means MASTER} and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
now we are getting somewhere .....Now Jesus is your master and every servant must obey his master, and the master requires this
1 John 2:3-7
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
But I love the last verse.[SUP]
29 [/SUP]If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 2:3-7
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
But I love the last verse.[SUP]
29 [/SUP]If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
WRONG, you really do not read my posts do you? I have told you, Cassian, Seabass, and several others for months now. I have been a bond servant of the LORD JESUS CHRIST since my third attempt at suicide the last week of December 1978. I am a bond servant {a willing servant} NOT A SLAVE. THERE IS NO "MUST KEEP", there is only"will keep because I love HIM."
I TOLD YOU BEFORE, BUT YOU WILL NOT LISTEN, MY WIFE IS HANDICAPPED NOW, I SERVE HER WISHES BECAUSE I LOVE HER, NOT BECAUSE I MUST KEEP HER WISHES. AND I LOVE THE LORD MORE THAN HER.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
you will keep My commands.
you will keep My commands.
you will keep My commands.
You can "must keep" all you want, and you will find out it all amounts to nothing more that filthy rags.
As for me and my house, we WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDS, because we LOVE HIM.
I TOLD YOU BEFORE, BUT YOU WILL NOT LISTEN, MY WIFE IS HANDICAPPED NOW, I SERVE HER WISHES BECAUSE I LOVE HER, NOT BECAUSE I MUST KEEP HER WISHES. AND I LOVE THE LORD MORE THAN HER.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
you will keep My commands.
you will keep My commands.
you will keep My commands.
You can "must keep" all you want, and you will find out it all amounts to nothing more that filthy rags.
As for me and my house, we WILL KEEP HIS COMMANDS, because we LOVE HIM.
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Paul instructs us to work out our own salvation:
[12] Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
[13] for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Phil 2:12-13 RSV
And believe me, it involves repenting of our sin.
[12] Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
[13] for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Phil 2:12-13 RSV
And believe me, it involves repenting of our sin.
Repentance like Salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit. That takes place when we first repent, believe, and receive Jesus Christ as LORD. THAT IS WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT EMPOWERS US TO DO. So it has NOTHING to do with the expression: "work out your own salvation". That expression simply means, if you really are SAVED, then live like it; in other words make sure that what happened inside (past tense) works it's way out in your Christian Walk.
Here is a couple parallel verses:
1 John 2:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He who says he abides in Him {= SAVED } ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Colossians 2:6-7 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,
{= SAVED } continue to live in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
Here is a couple parallel verses:
1 John 2:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He who says he abides in Him {= SAVED } ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
Colossians 2:6-7 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,
{= SAVED } continue to live in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
You would be wrong, then.
In Mal. 3:6 we find out that the LORD does not change. THEREFORE, if we can find out HOW God saved one man; we will KNOW HOW GOD SAVES ALL MEN.
Romans 4:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to brag about—but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.
Romans 11:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] In the same way, then, there is also at the present time a remnant chosen by grace.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
In Mal. 3:6 we find out that the LORD does not change. THEREFORE, if we can find out HOW God saved one man; we will KNOW HOW GOD SAVES ALL MEN.
Romans 4:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to brag about—but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.
Romans 11:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] In the same way, then, there is also at the present time a remnant chosen by grace.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
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