Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[VCO]

These sins could very well be all in your past and not in your future.

Again, all have sinned, but not all continue to sin.

Again, all have sinned, but not all must continue to sin.

This verse is taken out of context. This is about doing things that go against your own conscience, which in this case is eating specific foods.

The rest of the passage,

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall. So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

Once again, everyone has turned their own way at some point, but they need not continue to go their own way.

Again, all have sinned, but not all continue to sin.

So you are ONE who thinks he does not sin any more?

Remember a momentary thought of sin is EQUAL to breaking every LAW GOD wrote; whether it be greed, envy, hate, favoritism, selfishness, lust, anger, PRIDE, etc. AND those are just sins of commission, and there is a whole realm of sins of omission. You must be the most generous man on the planet. How many of your possessions have you sold to give money to charities and the needy? Have you sold your house yet? How about your car?

Matthew 5:28 (GW)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But I can guarantee that whoever looks with lust at a woman has already committed adultery in his heart.

1 John 3:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

1 John 3:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

Mark 7:20-23 (NASB)
[SUP]20[/SUP] And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."

Now who else was it that lowered the STANDARDS of GOD to something they could keep, and then thought they NO LONGER SINNED. Hmmmm, let me think, I know it was somebody in the Bible, hmmmm. Oh yes, I GOT IT! It was the Pharisees.

I cannot apologize for what I absolutely believe. I do not believe that any human being other than Christ ever becomes sinless, until we get that glorified body that cannot even think sin, when He calls us out of this earth to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.

Like Dr. John MacArthur said, "A Christian is not sinless. However as he or she matures spiritually they will sin less, and less, and less.

 

[newbirth]

So you are ONE who thinks he does not sin any more?

Remember a momentary thought of sin is EQUAL to breaking every LAW GOD wrote; whether it be greed, envy, hate, favoritism, selfishness, lust, anger, PRIDE, etc. AND those are just sins of commission, and there is a whole realm of sins of omission. You must be the most generous man on the planet. How many of your possessions have you sold to give money to charities and the needy? Have you sold your house yet? How about your car?

Matthew 5:28 (GW)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] But I can guarantee that whoever looks with lust at a woman has already committed adultery in his heart.

1 John 3:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

1 John 3:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?

Mark 7:20-23 (NASB)
[SUP]20[/SUP] And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."

Now who else was it that lowered the STANDARDS of GOD to something they could keep, and then thought they NO LONGER SINNED. Hmmmm, let me think, I know it was somebody in the Bible, hmmmm. Oh yes, I GOT IT! It was the Pharisees.

I cannot apologize for what I absolutely believe. I do not believe that any human being other than Christ ever becomes sinless, until we get that glorified body that cannot even think sin, when He calls us out of this earth to go to the Wedding of the Lamb.

Like Dr. John MacArthur said, "A Christian is not sinless. However as he or she matures spiritually they will sin less, and less, and less.

• Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
  

[h=3]2 Peter 1:8-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

 

[VCO]

• Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

2 Peter 1:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

You really do not know how HIGH GOD's standards really are. A momentary thought of selfishness or any other sin, makes you GUILTY of breaking ALL of GOD's LAW.

The LAW was NEVER intended to be a standard that MAN could keep, but rather A STANDARD THAT WAS SO HIGH, THAT NO MAN COULD EVER LIVE UP TO THEM, driving him instead to turn to GOD and CRY OUT FOR A SAVIOR, relying totally on HIM.

Romans 3:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.

Dr. John MacArthur
Sanctification

We teach that every believer is sanctified (set apart) unto God by justification and is therefore declared to be holy and is therefore identified as a saint. This sanctification is positional and instantaneous and should not be confused with progressive sanctification. This sanctification has to do with the believer's standing, not his present walk or condition (Acts 20:32; 1 Corinthians 1:2, 30; 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 2:11; 3:1;10:10, 14; 13:12; 1 Peter 1:2).


We teach that there is also by the work of the Holy Spirit a progressive sanctification by which the state of the believer is brought closer to the standing the believer positionally enjoys through justification. Through obedience to the Word of God and the empowering of the Holy Spirit, the believer is able to live a life of increasing holiness in conformity to the will of God, becoming more and more like our Lord Jesus Christ (John 17:17,19; Romans 6:1 22; 2 Corinthians 3:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:3 4; 5:23).


In this respect, we teach that every saved person is involved in a daily conflict—the new creation in Christ doing battle against the flesh—but adequate provision is made for victory through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. The struggle nevertheless stays with the believer all through this earthly life and is never completely ended. All claims to the eradication of sin in this life are unscriptural. Eradication of sin is not possible, but the Holy Spirit does provide for victory over sin (Galatians 5:16 25; Ephesians 4:22 24; Philippians 3:12; Colossians 3:9 10; 1 Peter 1:14 16; 1 John 3:5 9).

Grace to You

 

[francina]

"No christian is sinless!" - That is off topic, which is Salvation is not possible without works. Now, you say it is a walk in which we grow in maturity. True, so then you agree with the statement now. However, it is not true that a mere thought is the same as breaking the whole law. That is ridiculous. Lust is not a mere thought. Hate is not a mere thought. There is not scripture in the bible to support that statement. I think about a lot of things & decide to not go through with them because it is sin. That will lead to some repercussion I don't want & a tarnished testimony. It might lead to a downward slide I can't stop, which is most frightening because that could lead to perdition.
As Paul said about himself & those with him (& he is flesh just like me) I can say to others -

You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
Php 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Php 3:17 Keep on imitating me, my friends. Pay attention to those who follow the right example that we have set for you.
1Co 4:16 I beg you, then, to follow my example.
1Co 4:17 For this purpose I am sending to you Timothy, who is my own dear and faithful son in the Christian life. He will remind you of the principles which I follow in the new life in union with Christ Jesus and which I teach in all the churches everywhere.
Why can't you say it?
I'm not filled with the Spirit to talk about most people in church but Jesus Christ. The bible tells us that 'FEW' will make it though many try. So, you are trying to use the fact that most believers struggle in some kind of sinful bondage. Again I say that is not what our faith is built on. We believe the Word. We put our faith in Christ in us, the Hope of glory. When I did not understand how to break free from porn or being sexually active at an early age, guess what I did that worked. I believed the Word of God instead of my experience. I said, my feelings say, it's impossible but that would make God a liar! So, I can be free from porn & I will be. I can stop giving in when the boys come around because God said I have a new nature. I stopped practicing those things long before they stopped being a temptation to me. You see, that testimony there is based on & lined up with Gods' Word. If we walk in the light as He is in the light, THEN .. the BLOOD of JESUS cleanses us from ALL sin. If you are still doing the same things don't claim the blood of Jesus as your source of confidence on Judgment day.
No one is righteous, no Christian is sinless, these are statements to promote doubt & unbelief. That is what so many preachers say with homosexuals, fornicator, drug addicts etc. sitting in their pews & they want them to stay. That is what people tell me all the time who still have sex outside of marriage or they are doing drugs or they are lying & cursing all the time. That is not what the Apostles or Jesus said. They simply preached REPENT.
How could Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit say these things if a mere thought was equal to sin:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For you remember what we taught you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]3 [/SUP]God’s will is for you to be holy, so stay away from all sexual sin. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then each of you will control his own body and live in holiness and honor— [SUP]5 [/SUP]not in lustful passion like the pagans who do not know God and his ways. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Never harm or cheat a Christian brother in this matter by violating his wife,for the Lord avenges all such sins, as we have solemnly warned you before. [SUP]7 [/SUP]God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore, anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human teaching but is rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.

11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:34 (AMP)[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Awake [from your drunken stupor and return] to sober sense and your right minds, and sin no more. For some of you have not the knowledge of God [you are utterly and willfully and disgracefully ignorant, and continue to be so, lacking the sense of God’s presence and all true knowledge of Him]. I say this to your shame.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:34 (TLB)[/h]
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Get some sense and quit your sinning. For to your shame I say it; some of you are not even Christians at all and have never really known God.
Oh, the Pharisees were far from righteous. Jesus condemned them for ignoring the commands of God to uphold their traditions written by their forefathers. He condemned them for living in sin whiles condemning others. They were murderers & plotting to murder Jesus as He was speaking. Please

 

[VCO]

"No christian is sinless!" - That is off topic, which is Salvation is not possible without works. Now, you say it is a walk in which we grow in maturity. True, so then you agree with the statement now. However, it is not true that a mere thought is the same as breaking the whole law. That is ridiculous. . .

Your argument is with GOD not me:

2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Mark 7:21-23 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[SUP]23 [/SUP] All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[newbirth]

You really do not know how HIGH GOD's standards really are. A momentary thought of selfishness or any other sin, makes you GUILTY of breaking ALL of GOD's LAW.

The LAW was NEVER intended to be a standard that MAN could keep, but rather A STANDARD THAT WAS SO HIGH, THAT NO MAN COULD EVER LIVE UP TO THEM, driving him instead to turn to GOD and CRY OUT FOR A SAVIOR, relying totally on HIM.

Romans 3:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.

You really don't know how powerful the blood of Jesus Christ is
1 John 1:6-10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[francina]

Evil thoughts are not momentary thoughts of selfishness!! They are not momentary thoughts period. They are thoughts that are attached to wrong attitudes, motives and judgments. They are thoughts that lead to fornication, adultery, stealing.
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
Jas 2:4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

Mat 9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For from within, [that is] out of the hearts of men, come base and wicked thoughts, sexual immorality, stealing, murder, adultery,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Coveting (a greedy desire to have more wealth), dangerous and destructive wickedness, deceit; unrestrained (indecent) conduct; an evil eye (envy), slander (evil speaking, malicious misrepresentation, abusiveness), pride (the sin of an uplifted heart against God and man), foolishness (folly, lack of sense, recklessness, thoughtlessness).

[SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evil [purposes and desires] come from within, and they make the man unclean and render him unhallowed.

You seem to be trying to say holiness is impossible. Again, why don't you believe God. He is in you. He should be if you are truly born again.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

 

[newbirth]

You really do not know how HIGH GOD's standards really are. A momentary thought of selfishness or any other sin, makes you GUILTY of breaking ALL of GOD's LAW.

The LAW was NEVER intended to be a standard that MAN could keep, but rather A STANDARD THAT WAS SO HIGH, THAT NO MAN COULD EVER LIVE UP TO THEM, driving him instead to turn to GOD and CRY OUT FOR A SAVIOR, relying totally on HIM.

Romans 3:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.

Here is God's purification process you can do it anytime anywhere, people are making this Christian life difficult for themselves because they don't want to learn Christ
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[francina]

These sins could very well be all in your past and not in your future.





Again, all have sinned, but not all continue to sin.

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Again, all have sinned, but not all must continue to sin.





This verse is taken out of context. This is about doing things that go against your own conscience, which in this case is eating specific foods.


The rest of the passage,


Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall. So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.





Once again, everyone has turned their own way at some point, but they need not continue to go their own way.





Again, all have sinned, but not all continue to sin.

1John is in response to gnostic Jews who taught that acquiring knowledge was how we become united with Christ. Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. As a result of this presupposition, Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.Gnosticism teaches that salvation is gained through the acquisition of divine knowledge which frees one from the illusions of darkness. Although they claim to follow Jesus Christ and His original teachings, Gnostics contradict Him at every turn. Jesus said nothing about salvation through knowledge, but by faith in Him as Savior from sin.

The Person of Jesus Christ is another area where Christianity and Gnosticism drastically differ. The Gnostics believe that Jesus’ physical body was not real, but only “seemed” to be physical, and that His spirit descended upon Him at His baptism, but left Him just before His crucifixion.

Here you see why John writes what he wrote repeating that Jesus came in the flesh (that which our hands of touched, eyes have seen etc.). That anyone who claims knowledge of Jesus but are still walking in darkness is a liar.
Read more: What is Christian Gnosticism?​

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[VCO]

You really don't know how powerful the blood of Jesus Christ is
1 John 1:6-10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[SUP]8[/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

NOW there is you Misunderstanding. We are not TALKING about weather we WALK in the Light or WALK in the Darkness. OUR WALK, is what makes up our lifestyle characteristics. We are talking about whether or not a Christian will on rare occassions stumble and commit a sin. A SIN, does not constitute a Christian's WALK.

AGAIN, I point out that "CONFESS" is in the Greek Perfect tense, implying that it is part of our lifestyle for the rest of our lives.
AND as far as HIS BLOOD cleaning us from SIN, how much of your sin was in the FUTURE, when it was shed? AND look, HE IS FAITHFUL, implying that HIS forgiving and cleansing is an ON-GOING action that HE IS FAITHFUL TO DOING FOREVER.

Matthew 18:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

NOTICE, that CHRIST himself, understands that a Christian brother will have times when he struggles and stumbles into sin.

Matthew 18:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.

 

[VCO]

1John is in response to gnostic Jews who taught that acquiring knowledge was how we become united with Christ. Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. As a result of this presupposition, Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.Gnosticism teaches that salvation is gained through the acquisition of divine knowledge which frees one from the illusions of darkness. Although they claim to follow Jesus Christ and His original teachings, Gnostics contradict Him at every turn. Jesus said nothing about salvation through knowledge, but by faith in Him as Savior from sin.

The Person of Jesus Christ is another area where Christianity and Gnosticism drastically differ. The Gnostics believe that Jesus’ physical body was not real, but only “seemed” to be physical, and that His spirit descended upon Him at His baptism, but left Him just before His crucifixion.

Here you see why John writes what he wrote repeating that Jesus came in the flesh (that which our hands of touched, eyes have seen etc.). That anyone who claims knowledge of Jesus but are still walking in darkness is a liar.
Read more: What is Christian Gnosticism?​

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AND JESUS did one very simple thing to BLOW THAT WILD THEORY CLEAN OUT OF THE WATER. He sat down and ate fish with the Disciples.

Luke 24:39-43 (HCSB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Look at My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Touch Me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Having said this, He showed them His hands and feet.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] But while they still were amazed and unbelieving because of ⌊their⌋ joy, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”
[SUP]42 [/SUP] So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish,
[SUP]43 [/SUP] and He took it and ate in their presence.

 

[VCO]

NOW there is you Misunderstanding. We are not TALKING about weather we WALK in the Light or WALK in the Darkness. OUR WALK, is what makes up our lifestyle characteristics. We are talking about whether or not a Christian will on rare occassions stumble and commit a sin. A SIN, does not constitute a Christian's WALK.

AGAIN, I point out that "CONFESS" is in the Greek Perfect tense, implying that it is part of our lifestyle for the rest of our lives.
AND as far as HIS BLOOD cleaning us from SIN, how much of your sin was in the FUTURE, when it was shed? AND look, HE IS FAITHFUL, implying that HIS forgiving and cleansing is an ON-GOING action that HE IS FAITHFUL TO DOING FOREVER.

. . .

There goes that biological computer glitch between my ears again. AND that 5 min. time limit to correct them is RIDICULOUS. Let me retype those first two sentences:

NOW there is your Misunderstanding. We are not TALKING about whether we WALK in the Light or WALK in the Darkness.

If anyone is still laughing, remember: Your Day Is Coming!

 

[tourist]

There goes that biological computer glitch between my ears again. AND that 5 min. time limit to correct them is RIDICULOUS. Let me retype those first two sentences:

NOW there is your Misunderstanding. We are not TALKING about whether we WALK in the Light or WALK in the Darkness.

If anyone is still laughing, remember: Your Day Is Coming!

Happens to me all of the time. I almost choked on my coffee when reading your post. OK, I am better now.

 

[SweetShelly35]

We are saved by His grace. Do you remember when Jesus was on the cross and He told the man next to him that he would join him in heaven? The same rules apply to us. Just believe in Him, accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved my friend.

 

[francina]

We are saved by His grace. Do you remember when Jesus was on the cross and He told the man next to him that he would join him in heaven? The same rules apply to us. Just believe in Him, accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved my friend.

Jesus did not waste 4 years preaching so we can ignore the entire 4 years. This has been answered so I wont go over the entire bible. Just read back & see if you can understand the discussion. No one will enter the Kingdom except those who do the will of the Father.

 

[SeaBass]

We are saved by His grace. Do you remember when Jesus was on the cross and He told the man next to him that he would join him in heaven? The same rules apply to us. Just believe in Him, accept Him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved my friend.

The thief is not an example of NT salvation, so he does not apply to us.

Matt 9:6 "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house."

When Christ was "on earth" He had the authority to forgive sins of those whom He thought was deserving. Obviously Christ is no longer on earth forgiving sins as He did with the thief next to Him, therefore no one today can be saved in the same way as the thief.
When Christ left earth, He left behind His word as His authority on earth, and that word requires works in order to be saved and works in order to remain saved.

 

[VCO]

Jesus did not waste 4 years preaching so we can ignore the entire 4 years. This has been answered so I wont go over the entire bible. Just read back & see if you can understand the discussion. No one will enter the Kingdom except those who do the will of the Father.

Maybe you do not understand what we actually believe.

Salvation is by Grace through Faith ALONE. BUT, if that Salvation was the real thing, we believe that "Having Been Saved" will produce in us a genuine heart attitude of always striving to obey HIM, because we LOVE HIM with the LOVE that the Holy Spirit has placed in us. Do we strive to become more and more like Christ? YES! We learn from HIM to strive to walk in holiness. Is that part of our Salvation? NO! It is what Salvation and LOVING HIM produces. That walk of obedience is not part of Salvation, but it has everything to do with the process known as Sanctification that takes place after we are Saved.

 

[VCO]

The thief is not an example of NT salvation, so he does not apply to us.

Matt 9:6 "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house."

When Christ was "on earth" He had the authority to forgive sins of those whom He thought was deserving. Obviously Christ is no longer on earth forgiving sins as He did with the thief next to Him, therefore no one today can be saved in the same way as the thief.
When Christ left earth, He left behind His word as His authority on earth, and that word requires works in order to be saved and works in order to remain saved.

Oh yes he is!

Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.

And the thief therefore is an excellent example of how GOD saves sinners.

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Romans 4:3-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

How about if you believe the words of Christ?

John 5:24 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The works that are spoken of here is of those who believe you have to work for salvation, earn it.

However to believe in Christ, good works are produced and follow....If you however fall back into the world and focus on it instead of our Lord and produce bad works that salvation will be lost.

Oh yes he is!

Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.

And the thief therefore is an excellent example of how GOD saves sinners.

Want another?

Romans 4:3-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

How about if you believe the words of Christ?

John 5:24 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

[SeaBass]

Oh yes he is!

Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.

And the thief therefore is an excellent example of how GOD saves sinners.

Want another?

Romans 4:3-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

How about if you believe the words of Christ?

John 5:24 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

---God does not change but their was a change in law, Heb 7:12 with the thief living under a different law than us today. The thief lived and died before Acts 2:38 came into effect and therefore was not accountable to it as we today are. The thief could not have the belief Rom 10:9 requires (hath raised- past tense) for Christ had not yet died much less been resurrected when the thief died.

---Matt 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Christ is not "on earth" today forgiving sins as He did with the thief, so no one today can be saved as the thief. After Christ left earth some 2000 years ago He left behind His NT word as His authority on earth and His NT word teaches one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized to become saved and be faithful having good works to remain saved.

---For all we know the thief may have been one of those in Mk 1:5, he may have been a disciple of Christ that later fell into a life of crime and was being repentant on his cross for his sins

--Belief saves but not belief only. Repentance saves, Lk 13:3,5; confession saves, Rom 10:9,10; baptism saves, Mk 16:16. Since there is just one way to be saved then NT belief includes repentance, confession and baptism.