Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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would this be the same james that was executed at act 12. would this be before a gentile was saved or after, because (act 15) is later. seems slap back in the middle, of gentile can be saved, ie getting the holy spirit. act (10.)
the time james executed was 43 -44 ad and apostles at Jerusalem are 48 ad. (handbook to the bible)
the time james executed was 43 -44 ad and apostles at Jerusalem are 48 ad. (handbook to the bible)
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NO, it is not. The first resurrection are those who were martyred. What happened to reading comprehension people?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years
Do you want me to do it on my own? I can do nothing on my own...
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
2 Corinthians 13:4
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
2 Corinthians 13:4
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
and I answered you but you lack understanding ....You have no idea what it means to be in Christ, since you refuse to obey him...
Do you want me to do it on my own? I can do nothing on my own...
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
2 Corinthians 13:4
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
Do you want me to do it on my own? I can do nothing on my own...
Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
2 Corinthians 13:4
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
We just have to be careful that we are not stressing to the point that we believe we can attain salvation by our own works without Christ. Not that you are saying this, we just all need to be careful not to stress grace or works more than another as if they are not both necessary 
Salvation takes a combination of God's grace, Titus 2:11 and man's obedience to Christ, Heb 5:9.
Grace without obedience or obedience without grace cannot save.
K
I'm sorry if I made you think that I was saying otherwise. I just desire that all might see that we must uphold what He says, and yes works are necessary, but it is by Christ that we are saved. I've seen works stressed to the point of uplifting oneself with a false humility that makes one believe that they somehow saved themselves. It seems this is somehow the other extreme of those who preach once saved always saved.
The whole word works together and we must stress all of the scriptures as true and not uphold some over others.
with Christ's Love,
Kate
The whole word works together and we must stress all of the scriptures as true and not uphold some over others.
with Christ's Love,
Kate
Not possible.
But if you do works, some will accuse you of trying to earn salvation not understanding free gifts can come conditions...
Link:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/94634-free-gifts-come-conditions.html
But if you do works, some will accuse you of trying to earn salvation not understanding free gifts can come conditions...
Link:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/94634-free-gifts-come-conditions.html
K
We do obey Him. By daily dying to ourselves and living for Him, by the power of the Holy Spirit working in us. Your acting as if by saying "It is by Christ that we are saved" that I am somehow saying that we should not walk in obedience and that is not true. The very word of God says it is by Christ that we are saved and it also says to walk in obedience. Both verses are Truth. None more than another. The whole word works together. It also says it is not by mans efforts that he is saved, and to watch your life and doctrine closely and guard the good deposit. God does not contradict himself all these verses work together and it can not be understood with our natural man and his mind, but by the Spirit and with the mind of Christ. Therefore it is him working in us to will and to act. Not by the power of men but by the power of God.
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."
Philippians 2:12-13
We should be as David before God
1Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your unfailing love;
according to your great compassion
blot out my transgressions.
2Wash away all my iniquity
and cleanse me from my sin.
3For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
4Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight;
so you are right in your verdict
and justified when you judge.
5Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
7Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
8Let me hear joy and gladness;
let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
9Hide your face from my sins
and blot out all my iniquity.
10Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
12Restore to me the joy of your salvation
and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.
13Then I will teach transgressors your ways,
so that sinners will turn back to you.
14Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,
you who are God my Savior,
and my tongue will sing of your righteousness.
15Open my lips, Lord,
and my mouth will declare your praise.
16You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.
17My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.
God wants those who are willing so that he might work in us for His purpose. It is not by our own power but His alone, if we are willing to die. This is something we must choose to do daily...empty ourselves of what is detestable to God so that He may live in and through us. Are daily prayer should be that of David's....a man who longed to be separate and holy...fit for His use.
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."
Philippians 2:12-13
We should be as David before God
1Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your unfailing love;
according to your great compassion
blot out my transgressions.
2Wash away all my iniquity
and cleanse me from my sin.
3For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
4Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight;
so you are right in your verdict
and justified when you judge.
5Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
7Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
8Let me hear joy and gladness;
let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
9Hide your face from my sins
and blot out all my iniquity.
10Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
12Restore to me the joy of your salvation
and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.
13Then I will teach transgressors your ways,
so that sinners will turn back to you.
14Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,
you who are God my Savior,
and my tongue will sing of your righteousness.
15Open my lips, Lord,
and my mouth will declare your praise.
16You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.
17My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.
God wants those who are willing so that he might work in us for His purpose. It is not by our own power but His alone, if we are willing to die. This is something we must choose to do daily...empty ourselves of what is detestable to God so that He may live in and through us. Are daily prayer should be that of David's....a man who longed to be separate and holy...fit for His use.
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed..." God works in them that obey Him.
So obedient works must begin with men choosing to obey God and those that obey God, God works in them.
Some people mistakenly think God chooses certain individuals to work in leaving the rest of mankind to be lost. Whosoever, anyone that chooses to obey God, then God accepts that person, Acts 10:35.
So obedient works must begin with men choosing to obey God and those that obey God, God works in them.
Some people mistakenly think God chooses certain individuals to work in leaving the rest of mankind to be lost. Whosoever, anyone that chooses to obey God, then God accepts that person, Acts 10:35.
K
I kind of feel that your just wanting to argue. It seems to be true with most people on these forums. I said that very thing in different words and I don't know why you keep stressing it as if I am contradicting obedience to God. To think that God chooses certain individuals would mean to have favoritism and the word says that He is without favoritism.
Draw near to me and I will draw near to you. This is the word of God.
We must be careful not to take the glory from God and begin to credit things to ourselves. If we long for His Spirit and ask for it...willing to die to ourselves then He will reveal himself to us and begin His work. We must die to ourselves daily and walk in obedience with Him. Willing to be used of Him for His work. For we have nothing to offer Him but a broken and contrite heart is what He longs for. All of our works are filthy rags in His sight. But it is the work He does in and through a willing vessel that brings Him glory.
Draw near to me and I will draw near to you. This is the word of God.
We must be careful not to take the glory from God and begin to credit things to ourselves. If we long for His Spirit and ask for it...willing to die to ourselves then He will reveal himself to us and begin His work. We must die to ourselves daily and walk in obedience with Him. Willing to be used of Him for His work. For we have nothing to offer Him but a broken and contrite heart is what He longs for. All of our works are filthy rags in His sight. But it is the work He does in and through a willing vessel that brings Him glory.
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False. No one does this unless it is people like you and others saying salvation is based on these works. That is earning salvation.
People who do works as a result of their salvation are not earning anything, they are not even TRYING to earn anything. They do it in love (self sacrifice, as Christ did when he was here)