Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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It took no time for this straw man to rear his head...
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I do not agree with these statements.
If a sinner desires to be saved, then he must do obedient works, must do God's righteousness. I may be reading your posts wrong, but it seems you are trying to take these works away from man and give all those works to God to do. God does not do works for man, He gave righteous works to men to do.
Obedient works/doing righteousness is not "filthy rags" to God. Isa 64:6 gets quoted and taken out of context often but verse 5 never seems to be included that says "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness,..." So God meets/entreats/helps those that work righteousness, their works are not treated as "filthy rags" as you claimed above. Peter says in Acts 10:35 those that "worketh righteousness" are accepted with God, again their doing God's righteousness is not treated as filthy rags. So God does not do all the work while men sit and do nothing.
If a sinner desires to be saved, then he must do obedient works, must do God's righteousness. I may be reading your posts wrong, but it seems you are trying to take these works away from man and give all those works to God to do. God does not do works for man, He gave righteous works to men to do.
Obedient works/doing righteousness is not "filthy rags" to God. Isa 64:6 gets quoted and taken out of context often but verse 5 never seems to be included that says "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness,..." So God meets/entreats/helps those that work righteousness, their works are not treated as "filthy rags" as you claimed above. Peter says in Acts 10:35 those that "worketh righteousness" are accepted with God, again their doing God's righteousness is not treated as filthy rags. So God does not do all the work while men sit and do nothing.
K
Nothing has changed, the new testament says it is still wrong to be a homosexual.
They can not walk in this lust and still claim to be saved. The bible makes that clear.
I have some gay friends, and I pray for them constantly that they will turn from that way or not let that desire control their lives.
They can not walk in this lust and still claim to be saved. The bible makes that clear.
I have some gay friends, and I pray for them constantly that they will turn from that way or not let that desire control their lives.
That is where the problem is then. Remember a testament is only in force after the death of the testator. There are no dead homosexuals. So to have a new spirit, you must think differently, as the new testament is about LOVE. Can a homosexual love his neighbor (you) as himself? YES! And thus has fulfilled the law. But if after Christ, who came to save all, we still hold on to that "all homosexual will burn in hell" attitude, then we are simply building upon what we already know is destroyed, which makes us all sinners.
K
The difference is if they repent and turn from that sin, or do not live in it.
They can not willfully live in that sin, and say it is okay to be that way and still be saved.
Yes a homosexual can love God, can love their neighbor has self, love their enemy, but if they still live in willful sin the scriptures say they will still face the indignation of hell fire.
They can not willfully live in that sin, and say it is okay to be that way and still be saved.
Yes a homosexual can love God, can love their neighbor has self, love their enemy, but if they still live in willful sin the scriptures say they will still face the indignation of hell fire.
Galatians 5: 14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
What law are they breaking?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
What law are they breaking?
K
But if they live in willful sin they truly do not live for God, and our Lord will say I do not know you.
If you want to say that living in willful sin is now acceptable, then you might as well say some one can live a good life doing nothing bad and still go to heaven even though they do not believe in Jesus.
That is the new age concept ( false teaching ) Oprah's group teaches.
If you want to say that living in willful sin is now acceptable, then you might as well say some one can live a good life doing nothing bad and still go to heaven even though they do not believe in Jesus.
That is the new age concept ( false teaching ) Oprah's group teaches.
E
you do. It does not say repent of every sin, It says repent.
Before you are saved, it is ALL ABOUT YOU. everything you do, whether moral or immoral is based on self. Before we come to Christ, we are called an emeny of God.
this is what we must repent of. Not personal sin. We can not possibly even know all the sin we do before we come to christ.
No. I am saying repent, and trust God (not self) then God will start healing your sin issues, and he exposes them to you. then you have the ability to change.
Our dead spirit must be born again, or we have no power over sin.
your to focused on the law my friend, Your teaching law and you do not even realise it.
Before you are saved, it is ALL ABOUT YOU. everything you do, whether moral or immoral is based on self. Before we come to Christ, we are called an emeny of God.
this is what we must repent of. Not personal sin. We can not possibly even know all the sin we do before we come to christ.
No. I am saying repent, and trust God (not self) then God will start healing your sin issues, and he exposes them to you. then you have the ability to change.
Our dead spirit must be born again, or we have no power over sin.
your to focused on the law my friend, Your teaching law and you do not even realise it.
E
no repent means to change ones mind about a certain subject. Your adding the word sin into the equation, where it is not found in scripture.
How can a man dead to God turn away from sin? He has no power to do so, about all he can do is replace one habit with another. thats not turning away.
Jesus said your faith has healed you. NOW go and sin no more (change your lifestyle)
he did not make them change first, then heal them.
come on, you should know this!
How can a man dead to God turn away from sin? He has no power to do so, about all he can do is replace one habit with another. thats not turning away.
Jesus said your faith has healed you. NOW go and sin no more (change your lifestyle)
he did not make them change first, then heal them.
come on, you should know this!
