How Do You Feel About Telling Opposite Gender Friends You Love Them?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone...

Do you tell your friends you love them? What if your friend is of the opposite gender? And what happens when either of you gets a significant other? How will it change?

I have been going through some rough spots and recently went on a 3-day partial fast to try to "shake off" the migraine-headache-like depression and try to get some direction from God. On the second day, a guy friend of mine texted me without knowing anything of what I was going through and asked me what was going on in my life. Needless to say, you never know when you could be saving a person's life... just by insisting on being there. I had to laugh because he kind of "hollered" at me over our texts, saying, "KIM!!! Stop!!! You ask me so many questions about myself that you never tell me anything about you!! I'm not leaving until you tell me what how you're doing and feeling!" But I was also overwhelmed by the realization that he would care enough to confront me out of the blue and insist on listening to me.

Throughout my estimated 11 years of being single, God has put wonderful people in my life and while they may come and go, some are brave enough and care enough to be there through the longer hauls of our life.

As I've gotten older, I've learned to cherish people like this as much as possible and hold them close, even if just for a minute or a text on the phone. Especially after having 2 major family friends die within the past 4 months... When I hang up or end a text session with my friends, male or female, I try to always tell them I love them. Sometimes I'm a little shy about it. But then I think about the fact that my parents went to see our dear family friends just a few months ago and now one of them is gone... and how we will never again get the chance to tell that person we love them... I am bound and determined to get over the shyness or "What if they think I'm just being mushy" factor--I don't care if they think I'm being mushy, dang nab it! I want to tell them I love them, whether they are a guy or a girl.

But I also think about how things will have to change when, or if, I ever get a significant other. Will he understand as I make the transition? I have a very close guy friend I have written about who is incarcerated. This is someone who has seen me, over many years, at my worst, including showing up at a visit with a self-inflicted cut that went all the way around my ankle in a ring. His refusal to give up on me and constant prayers were the driving force in why I no longer engage in such behavior (it's funny how God works. Though my friend currently has no freedom in his own life, he was somehow able to pass along the gift of freedom to me.)

Every letter and phone call I have with him always ends with a, "Love you!!!" and ours has always been a platonic situation. I can say the same of another guy friend I've known even longer (who is out in the free world, like myself) who is soon getting married. He and his soon-to-be-wife will text me together, saying, "Love you!" and I always address my texts to both of them, even if it's just to his phone. There is never anything to hide and everything is out in the open.

But I've often thought about what kind of changes I will make if God should bless me with the right man someday. My incarcerated friend and I have already said that we would no longer say "Love you" and that any letters we had would be addressed to the other as a couple, with everything out in the open, never anything just between us anymore. For me, there would be no more spending time alone with a guy friend for. Any guys friends would be invited to hang out with both myself and my significant other (I am secretly hoping they would hit it off and become friends too.) I have a guy friend I've known since I was 15 years old and whenever I had a boyfriend, I joked that they fell in love with him instead of me because he worked in tech and always had the latest gadgets and games. I'd be with someone and they'd say, "Let's go see X," because they wanted to go over and play video games with him!

I don't want to worry about a situation that may never come to be, but I don't want to be unprepared either, as I know that opposite-gender friendships can drive a huge wedge between couples. I would just hope the person I am with would understand how much the people in my life have helped me and realize the magnitude of what they've seen me through (such as preventing me from suicide.) I would hope that the person I was with would welcome such people to still be a part of our lives. And I would want to respect and honor the same things in his friends as well.

How do you all feel about expressing love to your friends? Do you have close opposite gender friends?

How will, or how have, things changed once you started seeing someone?
 
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I have a few close female friends that I will say that to. Most of them are married, and their husbands know I'm not gunning for them anyways. (I'm not even attracted to these women, really.) We're close, and I love them like sisters. *shrug*

There's at least one person I could say it to, because I care about her deeply, but I won't, because she's not married, and there are lines you just don't cross. *shrug*

So, the answer here?

*shrug*
 

seoulsearch

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I have a few close female friends that I will say that to. Most of them are married, and their husbands know I'm not gunning for them anyways. (I'm not even attracted to these women, really.) We're close, and I love them like sisters. *shrug*

There's at least one person I could say it to, because I care about her deeply, but I won't, because she's not married, and there are lines you just don't cross. *shrug*

So, the answer here?

*shrug*
You make an excellent point, Shour, and sometimes I do wonder if I cross lines because I am most always usually the one to say "Love you" first. The tough part for me has always been being an emotional, expressive person... And years went by in which I would care about people but was hesitant about expressing it in verbal exclamations such as this for fear of seemingly disrespectful or crossing boundaries.

I'm not sure if anyone else is like this but sometimes... I don't know how to describe it. After being alone for so many years especially (it's admittedly gotten worse as year after year passes by), I get these "cravings", for lack of a better word, to openly love, be affectionate to, and dote on people a little bit and while I can do that so much with family, the "need"? If I can call it that? Goes beyond what I can give my family... or beyond serving co-workers or people in ministry... because it's a very specific longing that involves deep connections and a solid foundational history.

I guess, for lack of a better way of putting it... I get to a point where I feel like I'm going to spill over with a wanting to show love and speak out love to the people I'm closest too, which would naturally mean that my friends are the first targets in the line of fire!

This is one of my greatest struggles in my own Christian life. I feel like there are SO MANY lines we can't cross... that I am forever fighting the feeling of existing with a box the size of a postage stamp and containing it all becomes unbearable, so I have to find ways to "break free" once in a while... and expressing love is one of those ways.
 

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I'm not really keen on it. An old friend and I used to say we loved each other, but then it got weird, so we stopped. Basically, I won't say I love you to a friend of the opposite sex.
 

ChandlerFan

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Some couples won't even say "I love you" until engagement. I'm just not sure that it's wise to go down that road with someone you only consider a friend. It only invites more complications than might already exist or be imminent.
 
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Seoul, I totally understand the longing. I'm a loving an affectionate person, so I feel that loss and longing since becoming single. Still have my kids to pour it out on, and that helps so much even if it's not quite the same.

For me, I will say "love ya" or "I love you guys" casually to a group of people that might include guy friends. I have no hesitation in saying "I love you" to girl friends, as you already know. ;) I'm much more careful saying it directly to male friends. It's definitely a step that, if taken or meant as more than platonic love, can't be reversed easily. Once that train starts moving, there's no going back, so I am uber-careful not to start the train. I never ever say it to married men unless the wife is equally included.

I do wish that the english language differentiated between the different types of love.

Storge, philia, eros, agape... sometimes we need to use a more specific word in order to get our emotion across correctly.
 

seoulsearch

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Grace, I appreciate your thoughts because you I know you are an exceptionally expressive person as well.

I know for others, it's much easier to keep inside and even seems unnatural to show the kind of expression we are describing.

I must also specify that ANY AND ALL friends of the opposite gender I have ever said "Love you" too are UNMARRIED. One got married but our friendship was all sarcastic banter and never what I'm describing here; his wife and I became friends. Another guy friend (whom I was also never said this to) got married and his wife did not like that we were friends so that was the end of our friendship.

The one guy friend I mentioned who is getting married communicates to me with his wife-to-be, and as you mentioned Grace, it's "love you both" or "love you all"-type situation. His future wife is a wonderful person and left a very sweet message on my phone telling me that it would mean so much to her and to him if I could attend the wedding (across the country) that meant a lot to me.

Once again, before anyone drags me out to the town square and stones me :), NONE of the guys I say "Love you" to are married, NOR would I EVER say that to a married man or a guy friend who got married.

You and Shour have brought up excellent points... and after reading people's posts here... now I'm thinking I need to reverse my stance (along with my words and actions.)

Sigh.


 
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gypsygirl

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i have no issues with saying it to my close friends of either gender, but in those cases there is no ambiguity in the state of our relationship.

but i don't say it if i think there's any chance it could be misinterpreted or taken to mean something that it's not.

that said, if they're close enough of a friend that i feel comfortable expressing it, i'm typically also expecting that they know ME. i'm very expressive with my affection, in general.
 
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seoulsearch

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*nods at gypsygirl's post*

Why, oh why, can't I remember everything I want to say and just include it all in one post? :)

I also need to point out that the friendships involved are ones in which it has ALREADY been established that our situation is platonic and will remain so. It's not at all a situation of me suddenly blindsiding them with the "L" word out of nowhere without talking about anything. It's more like, we talk about all the things we've been through and how much God has gotten us through together and I'll end the conversation with, "Love you!" before we hang up.

Sigh. But... I know... then why even say "Love you"... Well... it's just because... I do.

And to my friends here who make me smile and laugh and take the time to listen, I love you very much.
 
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Seoul, I think it just depends on the situation, and that's something only you can really interpret. I dearly love many married men. (Okay, that sounds really terrible even though I know what I mean!) And I'll tell them I love them and their wives as a couple. I don't think that's wrong. My best friend's husband is like my own brother. His father is actually like my own father. I have a deep love for my pastor and his wife, for all they went through with me two years ago and since then.

I NEED them to know that I love and appreciate them. It's just something I feel urgent about expressing, you know? God gives us these feelings of agape in order to build up the kingdom, does he not? We just have to find the correct way to do it, which you are already careful about doing. As long as you are comfortable with it, and they and their wives are comfortable and understand what is being said, I don't see a problem. :)
 

gypsygirl

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I NEED them to know that I love and appreciate them. It's just something I feel urgent about expressing, you know? God gives us these feelings of agape in order to build up the kingdom, does he not? We just have to find the correct way to do it, which you are already careful about doing. As long as you are comfortable with it, and they and their wives are comfortable and understand what is being said, I don't see a problem. :)
YES YES YES.

that's how i feel about expressing it. i never say it because it feels like "i should". for me, i'm aware of a well of appreciation, affection, and joy that i feel like they should know how much i value them and being in my life.

i never ever say "i love you" out of a sense of obligation. that would feel creepy and dishonest.

and i guess it's a little bit of a fear of mine - having been on this earth long enough to see people abruptly disappear from my life, i need for people who i love to know just how much they touch my life, and what they mean to me. i NEED them to know that their influence on my life, their generosity of spirit, their acceptance, support or whatever it is they bring to my life means so much to me.

that i'm well aware that my life is different because they're in it.

often it's a spontaneous utterance, but sometimes it's just akin to "you need to know that i'm grateful for you" before i say goodbye or whatever.
 
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i have no issues with saying it to my close friends of either gender, but in those cases there is no ambiguity in the state of our relationship.

but i don't say it if i think there's any chance it could be misinterpreted or taken to mean something that it's not.

that said, if they're close enough of a friend that i feel comfortable expressing it, i'm typically also expecting that they know ME. i'm very expressive with my affection, in general.
Hello!

The way I feel it or the way I have learned to express it it culturally different:

My aunt is one of the few who tells me: "I love you!" and I feel an embarrasment (she is own flesh).

My culture, or my way, have something somewhat a deterrant to say: "I love you" to our friends, no matter the gender. Instead, my age gap used to say: I like you (me agradas) or I want you (te quiero). And both are far from saying "I love you".

Now, as I have seen in teenagers or surfing social nets, they often say (too, too often) "I love you". Though their changing of attitudes, moods or social circunstances have denied it as trustworthy "saying", mostly when lacking DEEDS to give other emotional assurance to tha "I love you" sounds to be believed (it would be best to say: Me agradras or I want you (just liimited in time or within an emotional mood tending to fade off).

As a dad I few time have said my children: I love you, for instances, though I have it said, and they do apreciate it, mostly if my words comes along a token of love, a deed the can count on as trustworthy.

Needless to say that, being engaged in a love affair, when I have felt it real, I said: "I love you", but I very seldom used it with my female friends. Never with my loved ones, never with my dad or mother. The exception always was for and with LOVE, in the enviroment of an affair.

Here, in your culture, I also feel the same. In English I feel it more permissily, though I´m not sure if I have told any of my English speaking-men friends "I love you". Emotionally, I would feel rare (too feminine). Yet, it be possible I have told any "I love you", but it has been (possibly) when I really felt it (particularly with those I felt as friends) Although I´m aware it has been uttered with those I thought were girls / women, because in my "macho" mind there´s a swithch to tell you "I love you", easily, when i felt it true or, when I wanted to be true.

So, I´m thnkfull I grew in a culture where I´m aware each time I say: I love you. I´d disliked saying it so lightly (just when I was a teen trying to lure someone away) and, NOW, it is easier for me to say: "GOD! I love you!" because in Spanish we can say "Dios! Te amo!" but I also felt it weird.

The truth is, I wish my sons could understand this. I seldom tel them: "I love you", except in too rare occasions (that depends on my circunstantial mood) because I love Joshua more than Elisha and I love the daugher of another men more than my own daughter, and all of them know my love is not fair, but it´s what I have felt.

No regret when saying my truth.

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seoulsearch

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often it's a spontaneous utterance, but sometimes it's just akin to "you need to know that i'm grateful for you" before i say goodbye or whatever.
This is it exactly.

It's not some blubbering, confused rambling motivated by mixed feelings or hidden romantic love.

It's a sense of needing to tell someone, "I need you to know how much you... Lifted my spirits... Made me feel needed and loved... Brought me out of a very dark place... Make me feel not so alone anymore... Saved my life... and I appreciate you more than mere words could say but I'm going to try to say something anyway."
 
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Raine

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Seoul

Remember that there are other countless ways of showing and telling someone you love them. :). You can share with them reasons why you love them and tell them why you appreciate them without necessarily saying I love you directly.

On the other hand, I think if you met the right man he would see how beautiful your heart is and not question your intentions. I would also hope that if it made him uncomfortable he would discuss this with you in a loving manner and then you two can figure things out.

I tend to not say I love you, especially to guy friends, because I don't want to confuse them or start something that I did not intend to start.
 
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Seoul, I think it just depends on the situation, and that's something only you can really interpret. I dearly love many married men. (Okay, that sounds really terrible even though I know what I mean!) And I'll tell them I love them and their wives as a couple. I don't think that's wrong. My best friend's husband is like my own brother. His father is actually like my own father. I have a deep love for my pastor and his wife, for all they went through with me two years ago and since then.

I NEED them to know that I love and appreciate them. It's just something I feel urgent about expressing, you know? God gives us these feelings of agape in order to build up the kingdom, does he not? We just have to find the correct way to do it, which you are already careful about doing. As long as you are comfortable with it, and they and their wives are comfortable and understand what is being said, I don't see a problem. :)
My culture and mind is set diferently, although women are free and tend to be like that here. :)

That is also permisive in other tiny cultures, where men are those who get the surname of the women they were married to.
 
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This is it exactly.

It's not some blubbering, confused rambling motivated by mixed feelings or hidden romantic love.

It's a sense of needing to tell someone, "I need you to know how much you... Lifted my spirits... Made me feel needed and loved... Brought me out of a very dark place... Make me feel not so alone anymore... Saved my life... and I appreciate you more than mere words could say but I'm going to try to say something anyway."
hahahaha!!!!

But you forgot to send flowers. :P
 
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Seoul

Remember that there are other countless ways of showing and telling someone you love them. :). You can share with them reasons why you love them and tell them why you appreciate them without necessarily saying I love you directly.

On the other hand, I think if you met the right man he would see how beautiful your heart is and not question your intentions. I would also hope that if it made him uncomfortable he would discuss this with you in a loving manner and then you two can figure things out.

I tend to not say I love you, especially to guy friends, because I don't want to confuse them or start something that I did not intend to start.
NO ambiguity here stated...

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And I did it purposely, basicly, because that is the way it happens.
 
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YES YES YES.

that's how i feel about expressing it. i never say it because it feels like "i should". for me, i'm aware of a well of appreciation, affection, and joy that i feel like they should know how much i value them and being in my life.

i never ever say "i love you" out of a sense of obligation. that would feel creepy and dishonest.

and i guess it's a little bit of a fear of mine - having been on this earth long enough to see people abruptly disappear from my life, i need for people who i love to know just how much they touch my life, and what they mean to me. i NEED them to know that their influence on my life, their generosity of spirit, their acceptance, support or whatever it is they bring to my life means so much to me.

that i'm well aware that my life is different because they're in it.

often it's a spontaneous utterance, but sometimes it's just akin to "you need to know that i'm grateful for you" before i say goodbye or whatever.
Perhaps it is also: Being fair, smart, quite honest (picky) and not an itching fear.

You know what it is! (awareness +
selectivity)
 

tourist

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I have a few close female friends that I will say that to. Most of them are married, and their husbands know I'm not gunning for them anyways. (I'm not even attracted to these women, really.) We're close, and I love them like sisters. *shrug*

There's at least one person I could say it to, because I care about her deeply, but I won't, because she's not married, and there are lines you just don't cross. *shrug*

So, the answer here?

*shrug*
If she is unmarried go ahead and say it.
 

tourist

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This is it exactly.

It's not some blubbering, confused rambling motivated by mixed feelings or hidden romantic love.

It's a sense of needing to tell someone, "I need you to know how much you... Lifted my spirits... Made me feel needed and loved... Brought me out of a very dark place... Make me feel not so alone anymore... Saved my life... and I appreciate you more than mere words could say but I'm going to try to say something anyway."
I would be very careful telling an unmarried man those sentiments as he might be lonely himself and those might be words that he would love to hear.