Why such hatred for the seventh day?

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BradC

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Lots of people reading these posts are all upset over people who talk about Saturday as the best day for the Sabbath. They say it is preaching and we should put our money where our mouth is.

Most of the people speaking for Saturday are simply reporting on scripture, and most us who prefer Saturday because it follows scripture best have to fight an entire world of using Sunday for worship if we change ours to fit scripture, even most of our churches. Most of us stand back open mouthed that the world decided this and dig into history books to find how, why, and when. We find it wasn't from scripture at all, except that Mary discovered the tomb empty on Sunday. That isn't scripture saying to change the day God designated as Sabbath, there were other very fleshly reasons.

So we tell you what scripture says, and even though scripture tells people to let us alone about it, we are labeled with the same voice infliction "nigger" used to be used in the 60's. I wonder if the people working for Sunday so hard would like to erase lots of scripture! They would have to erase the seventh day of creation, wonder how it would work to have God erase a whole day of creation?
You continually make this an issue of striving because you want to keep the Sabbath that God sanctified and made holy when He rested. God's rest has never ceased and we do not enter into that rest by keeping the Sabbath. That is a false concept of entering into rest. Part of entering into God's rest is believing and knowing that God created all things and nothing can be added to that work. The second part is believing and knowing that God rested from the work He had made. By keeping the Sabbath and doing no work does not make the Sabbath holy. The Sabbath is holy because God made it so and that Sabbath is God resting from all He made. We can not add to or enter into that rest or keep it holy by keeping the Sabbath by doing no work. If we do anything we are to enter into that Sabbath-rest by faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. The day is not significant it is God's rest that we are after. We can not obtain unto that rest by keeping the Sabbath, it is impossible.

Heb 4:1-11
Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still holds and is offered [today], let us be afraid [[a]to distrust it], lest any of you should[b]think he has come too late and has come short of [reaching] it.
2 For indeed we have had the glad tidings [Gospel of God] proclaimed to us just as truly as they [the Israelites of old did when the good news of deliverance from bondage came to them]; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because it was not mixed with faith (with [c]the leaning of the entire personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness) by those who heard it; [d]neither were they united in faith with the ones [Joshua and Caleb] who heard (did believe).
3 For we who have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on God) do enter that rest, [e]in accordance with His declaration that those [who did not believe] should not enter when He said, As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest; and this He said although [His] works had been completed and prepared [and waiting for all who would believe] from the foundation of the world.
4 For in a certain place He has said this about the seventh day: And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.
5 And [they forfeited their part in it, for] in this [passage] He said, They shall not enter My rest.
6 Seeing then that the promise remains over [from past times] for some to enter that rest, and that those who formerly were given the good news about it and the opportunity, failed to appropriate it and did not enter because of disobedience,
7 Again He sets a definite day, [a new] Today, [and gives another opportunity of securing that rest] saying through David after so long a time in the words already quoted, Today, if you would hear His voice and when you hear it, do not harden your hearts.
8 [This mention of a rest was not a reference to their entering into Canaan.] For if Joshua had given them rest, He [God] would not speak afterward about another day.
9 So then, there is still awaiting a full and complete Sabbath-rest reserved for the [true] people of God;
10 For he who has once entered [God’s] rest also has ceased from [the weariness and pain] of human labors, just as God rested from those labors[f]peculiarly His own.
11 Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief and disobedience [into which those in the wilderness fell].
 

JaumeJ

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Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh even until now, and I work.

Do you not understand the Father is always working. Are you breathing on your own? Is your hair on your head? Does your heart beat?

Are you so centered as to believe you are responsible for your own life in keeping it alive? If Yahweh decided to take His breath back to Him, you will go back into the dust. You do not know this?
 

john832

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You continually make this an issue of striving because you want to keep the Sabbath that God sanctified and made holy when He rested. God's rest has never ceased and we do not enter into that rest by keeping the Sabbath. That is a false concept of entering into rest. Part of entering into God's rest is believing and knowing that God created all things and nothing can be added to that work. The second part is believing and knowing that God rested from the work He had made. By keeping the Sabbath and doing no work does not make the Sabbath holy. The Sabbath is holy because God made it so and that Sabbath is God resting from all He made. We can not add to or enter into that rest or keep it holy by keeping the Sabbath by doing no work. If we do anything we are to enter into that Sabbath-rest by faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. The day is not significant it is God's rest that we are after. We can not obtain unto that rest by keeping the Sabbath, it is impossible.

Heb 4:1-11
Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still holds and is offered [today], let us be afraid [[a]to distrust it], lest any of you should[b]think he has come too late and has come short of [reaching] it.
2 For indeed we have had the glad tidings [Gospel of God] proclaimed to us just as truly as they [the Israelites of old did when the good news of deliverance from bondage came to them]; but the message they heard did not benefit them, because it was not mixed with faith (with [c]the leaning of the entire personality on God in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness) by those who heard it; [d]neither were they united in faith with the ones [Joshua and Caleb] who heard (did believe).
3 For we who have believed (adhered to and trusted in and relied on God) do enter that rest, [e]in accordance with His declaration that those [who did not believe] should not enter when He said, As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest; and this He said although [His] works had been completed and prepared [and waiting for all who would believe] from the foundation of the world.
4 For in a certain place He has said this about the seventh day: And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.
5 And [they forfeited their part in it, for] in this [passage] He said, They shall not enter My rest.
6 Seeing then that the promise remains over [from past times] for some to enter that rest, and that those who formerly were given the good news about it and the opportunity, failed to appropriate it and did not enter because of disobedience,
7 Again He sets a definite day, [a new] Today, [and gives another opportunity of securing that rest] saying through David after so long a time in the words already quoted, Today, if you would hear His voice and when you hear it, do not harden your hearts.
8 [This mention of a rest was not a reference to their entering into Canaan.] For if Joshua had given them rest, He [God] would not speak afterward about another day.
9 So then, there is still awaiting a full and complete Sabbath-rest reserved for the [true] people of God;
10 For he who has once entered [God’s] rest also has ceased from [the weariness and pain] of human labors, just as God rested from those labors[f]peculiarly His own.
11 Let us therefore be zealous and exert ourselves and strive diligently to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], that no one may fall or perish by the same kind of unbelief and disobedience [into which those in the wilderness fell].
People quote and requote Heb 4:9 yet NEVER accept what it really says...

The word for rest in verse 9 is Sabbatismos. The Diaglott translates this verse...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.

And that is much truer to the original than the KJV word rest.

This definition is confirmed by other historical works: "The words `sabbath rest' is from the [Greek] noun sabbatismos, [and is] a unique word in the NT. This term appears also in Plutarch (Superset. 3 [Moralia 166a]) for sabbath observance, and in four post-canonical Christian writings which are not dependent on Heb. 4:9". - The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 5, p. 856
This is historical evidence that true Christians were observing the seventh-day Sabbath
long after Emperor Constantine declared that Sunday was the "Christian" day of worship in 325 AD. - Fred Coulter
While sabbatismos is a noun, the verb form of the word is sabbatizo which means, "to keep the Sabbath". - A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament
More from the article by Fred Coulter...

Hebrews 4:9 The True Meaning of Sabbatismos
 

p_rehbein

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Just a thought here.........BUT IF some here actually DO respect those who choose to worship on Saturday, and some here actually DO respect those who choose to worship on Sunday.............then these two groups should make an agreement to abstain from participating in ANY thread concerning Saturday vs. Sunday worship.........If these two groups do this, then what would be left are the "haters" who do not respect others, and they will be easily identified...........because of their participation in arguing this subject. Once they ARE identified..........those who respect others can place such people on their "Ignore List" AND will not have to read their hateful comments ever again!

Problem is............there are an untold number of threads on the Sabbath here on this Forum, and there will continue to be threads started on the Sabbath here on this Forum.............and THE VERY SAME people will JOIN IN the argument with the very same comments, very same Scriptures, very same name calling, until someone gets upset and wonders why people can't JUST RESPECT the others decision concerning what day they choose to worship.

Rather than actually recognize that there will always be some here (on both sides of this issue) who WILL NEVER respect people that disagree with their beliefs, and take a PROACTIVE approach by refusing to participate in such arguments, and identifying those not worthy of respectful debate, then placing them on their "Ignore List," people will simply continue this inane circle of discord within the Church.

It is in YOUR POWER to end such arguments/threads/name calling commentary........will you?
 
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Osiyo

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Right on brother p_rehbein! love it, please be blessed and thanks for the fresh air here in this site, always mixed with just the right amount of salt. May our God grant His grace, peace and blessings on you and your family in a mighty way! And why not?
 
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Osiyo

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hallo again nouredin, who the hell is Muhammad may I ask, what did he preach, Christ crucified, I will preach to you my brother because you need Christ Him Crucified, not Muhammad, and nouredin, the day Christ gave up the ghost, he had you name on His lips, your name, He died for you. Be blessed and why not?
 

JaumeJ

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I know I will..........
I observe the Seventh Day, no doctrine, no theology, just what I get from the Word.

I will always defend the family, be they oberving Saturday or Sunday. I will always put what I believe I know to be true from the Word concerning this particular subject; it is my due to Yahweh. It is the least I may do.
 
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StoneThrower

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Why such hatred for the seventh day?
I dont think there is, but there is a dislike for the cult of that name, that promotes it, as well as there false legalistic teaching that is frought with error from its very begining to today. I supose for those that are part of it, that they may think its directed at them, when its not, but at the false religion that are caught up in.
 
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StoneThrower

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I thought that scripture tells us that Christ split the curtain between the Hebrews and gentiles, that we are now all one people, although we are grafted in.

God only separated the two because the gentiles rejected Him, so God created a race just for Him and sanctified that race at the same time ordering them to accept all who wanted to join, like Ruth did. With Christ, all were made one people. But you are say "meant for the jews" and "more relaxed for us". That doesn't fit.
The only curtain that I read about in my Bible was the tempel curtain that was torn from the top to the bottom and it seperated the Holy of Holies between God and man so now man come come directly to him without the intercession of a priest. Nothing to do with Jews and gentiles.

Actually you got something else backward it was the jews that rejected Him and then the gentiles were grafted in, but it was still part of Gods orignal plan and not a plan B.

The Jews were Gods chosen race to be a light to the world Jesus said in Matthew 15 that his Ministery was directed at the Jews, NOTE I said his ministery, NOT salvation. Pauls ministry was directed at the gentiles.

We are all one as partakers of salvation, but that dosent void Gods covenant promise to the Jews
 

p_rehbein

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I know I will..........
I observe the Seventh Day, no doctrine, no theology, just what I get from the Word.

I will always defend the family, be they oberving Saturday or Sunday. I will always put what I believe I know to be true from the Word concerning this particular subject; it is my due to Yahweh. It is the least I may do.
I can agree with your sentiments, however, IF this is the standard we choose, then when those who do not respect the beliefs of others begin their tirades against us because of our beliefs, we can not complain right?

After all, IF we enter into such a discussion/thread, we must accept the consequences of our actions...
 
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StoneThrower

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Not hatred. SDA has majored in the minors and minor on the majors.
The redemption found in Christ Jesus should be the major focus yet the SDA finds it's identity in the Sabbath....utter nonsense.
The first clue should have been Ellen White assuming a role that scripture doesn’t allow for a woman.
Second clue, all the false predictions of the second coming and what the Bible says about false prophets and prophecies.
Anyone that has read their Bible would have to look at the organization and see that not only are they Johnny come latelys and fringy but just out there and at odds with scripture.
But like all cults they Love bomb people, cause a division in families and make it hard to separate.
 
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2Thewaters

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Everyone is free to do as they want
we are to judge no one

and we are to tell the truth
we are to love everyone wether or not they follow the Bible or follow Gods word
that is not the point

let me put up something real nice here.

1 If I speak with human eloquence and angelic ecstasy but don't love, I'm nothing but the creaking of a rusty gate. 2 If I speak God's Word with power, revealing all his mysteries and making everything plain as day, and if I have faith that says to a mountain, "Jump," and it jumps, but I don't love, I'm nothing. 3 If I give everything I own to the poor and even go to the stake to be burned as a martyr, but I don't love, I've gotten nowhere. So, no matter what I say, what I believe, and what I do, I'm bankrupt without love. 4 Love never gives up. Love cares more for others than for self. Love doesn't want what it doesn't have. Love doesn't strut, Doesn't have a swelled head, 5Doesn't force itself on others, Isn't always "me first," Doesn't fly off the handle, Doesn't keep score of the sins of others, 6 Doesn't revel when others grovel, Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth,7 Puts up with anything, Trusts God always, Always looks for the best, Never looks back, But keeps going to the end. 8 Love never dies. Inspired speech will be over some day; praying in tongues will end; understanding will reach its limit. 9 We know only a portion of the truth, and what we say about God is always incomplete. 10 But when the Complete arrives, our incompletes will be canceled. 11 When I was an infant at my mother's breast, I gurgled and cooed like any infant. When I grew up, I left those infant ways for good. 12 We don't yet see things clearly. We're squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won't be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We'll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us! 13 But for right now, until that completeness, we have three things to do to lead us toward that consummation: Trust steadily in God, hope unswervingly, love extravagantly. And the best of the three is love.

no the HATE is coming from SUDNDAY worshippers, maybe they ought to read this.

I mean
we dont put up threads lambasting sunday keepers do we?
I text and discuss with everyone
God creted them all
everyone cant do everything

it is hard overcoming hypnosis
but eventually
the Bbel says
all christians will be keeping Sabbath

that is what Revelation says.

so dont be ANGRY be happy that this problem that the pope started will be eliminated and everyone will be worshipping God in heaven the same way.
No problem

so tune down the hate for the truth and be awaye if you are going to heaven, that one day you will change your day, God says EVERYHONE will come and worship one sabath to the next

so

whenever I see pope lies and hypnosis that are blatantly false I will just point it out

like

this is the day the Lord has made
bible verse that was HIJACKED to apply it to sunday

David wrote that about the Sabbath
it isnt right to change things and misapply

thats why we are here
to just bring out the Bible

some people havent read thae Bible
like a child, we love them too
anser is

read the Bible and follow it when God leads you to.

and just to let you know
the great controversy
the great war started int heaven
is about the LAW

SATAN HATES THE LAW

he doesnt like commandment number 0ne!

in revelation is all about the beast and his image idol (man made day) against God and his sabbath daya
that is the controversy

of course there will be controversy about it
thats what the war is about

believing God or the used car salesmen out to make a quick buck.

Like Radar O'reilly, the biggest scamp on tv says
Ya gotta give them what they want to get money...

we don't have to worry
those with the holy spirit will read it
and say
oh ok
I will follow Jesus not the pople

that simple.
 
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2Thewaters

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1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

it says we are all children if we confess christ!

we confess christ here right?
we are Gods family!
it says as we get older and get more love, eventually we learn the lies were wrong and we keep his commandments
and when we have perfect love we eventually keep all the commandments

and Sabbath is number 4

so eventually
you will be keeping the sabbath,l its not an issue, you will be
so just speaking against it because you heard pope propagande just makes it harder for God to give us love
but eventually
we will all be united in the truth
all that have the holy spirit.
 
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StoneThrower

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This also answers 'why' Christians fight...they tend to be more zealous for the truth than other groups.
And exposing those that call themselves Christains that are not becuse of their doctrine! Many cults have a Jesus figure but he is not God. If you have the wrong Jesus, you have No salvation.
 
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StoneThrower

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the ten commandments came from eden
Wow, I have 38 Bibles at home including the Talmud and the Peshitta, and not a one say that. What version is that?
Funny how that works, God didnt even have a chosen people called out of Egypt that he need to set standards for, at the time of the garden of Eden.
 

Grandpa

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Just a thought here.........BUT IF some here actually DO respect those who choose to worship on Saturday, and some here actually DO respect those who choose to worship on Sunday.............then these two groups should make an agreement to abstain from participating in ANY thread concerning Saturday vs. Sunday worship.........If these two groups do this, then what would be left are the "haters" who do not respect others, and they will be easily identified...........because of their participation in arguing this subject. Once they ARE identified..........those who respect others can place such people on their "Ignore List" AND will not have to read their hateful comments ever again!

Problem is............there are an untold number of threads on the Sabbath here on this Forum, and there will continue to be threads started on the Sabbath here on this Forum.............and THE VERY SAME people will JOIN IN the argument with the very same comments, very same Scriptures, very same name calling, until someone gets upset and wonders why people can't JUST RESPECT the others decision concerning what day they choose to worship.

Rather than actually recognize that there will always be some here (on both sides of this issue) who WILL NEVER respect people that disagree with their beliefs, and take a PROACTIVE approach by refusing to participate in such arguments, and identifying those not worthy of respectful debate, then placing them on their "Ignore List," people will simply continue this inane circle of discord within the Church.

It is in YOUR POWER to end such arguments/threads/name calling commentary........will you?
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
 

JaumeJ

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The only consequence I foresee in my encouraging family to obey the Commandments of the Lord would be a "well done" from our Salvation, Yeshua. After all, He teaches anyone teaching against the least of the laws, will be least in the Kingdom. The least I can do is inform what I believe I know by the Holy Spirit. I would be amiss not to. Yahweh bless you and hold you always, amen.......

I can agree with your sentiments, however, IF this is the standard we choose, then when those who do not respect the beliefs of others begin their tirades against us because of our beliefs, we can not complain right?

After all, IF we enter into such a discussion/thread, we must accept the consequences of our actions...
 

p_rehbein

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Ok then........so no more crybaby stuff...........IF folks enter into such discussions/debates/arguments.........and the name calling and condemnation begins.........don't start posting any whiney comments about how your feelings got hurt.........

(there...........that should settle that :) )
 

JaumeJ

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When and where have I committed such an act? Thanks for the heads up though.

Ok then........so no more crybaby stuff...........IF folks enter into such discussions/debates/arguments.........and the name calling and condemnation begins.........don't start posting any whiney comments about how your feelings got hurt.........

(there...........that should settle that :) )