Why such hatred for the seventh day?
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I did not make the rules of the Sabbath nor was I the one to enforce them as the law. You are the ones who want to keep the law of the Sabbath so it can be holy, but you want to keep it according to mercy and not according to the condemnation of the law. Why is it that when Christ was the end of the law to everyone that believes (both to the Jew and the Gentile) that you exclude the 10 commandments, especially the keeping of the Sabbath? Because keeping the Sabbath is keeping the righteousness of the law and if you deny that you do it for that reason then you are are being dishonest. I don't care how long you have kept it. The NT church, which you are apart of, is not obligated under any law to keep the Sabbath and you do not want any part of that because you love the law and you love it for the sake of righteousness. In your eyes if I or any believer does not keep the Sabbath then we have failed the righteousness of God. Tell me that you are different!
Aw c'mon, Rom 10:4?
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Word for end here is...
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τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
And it does not mean cease to exist.
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Same word here, is this the obliteration of your faith?
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Have you seen the obliteration of the LORD?
The word means result or conclusion.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Word for end here is...
G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
And it does not mean cease to exist.
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Same word here, is this the obliteration of your faith?
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
Have you seen the obliteration of the LORD?
The word means result or conclusion.
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If some of you could you would go right back to the temple sacrifices and be content with that because that is how you relate to God. Paul disagrees with you and JaumeJ has a problem with it. The temple is gone and there is no more sacrifice for sin because of Christ. The temple that was destroyed that Christ raised up in three days was the temple of His own body. You love the law of Moses and have been structured in your thinking to live according to that law knowing that Christ was the end of the law for righteousness. Now who is being a religious zealot according to the law, me or you?
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Meaning that it is no more needed because it has been excelled by another and that is not what you and others want to reckon upon in your faith.
2 Cor 3:6-13
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2 Cor 3:6-13
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
I don't sense any hatred of the seventh day, just a difference of its purpose. Saturdays were just 24 hours of time that God set aside each week for His people (Exodus 31:13). The sabbath was made for man (the Hebrews), it represented rest. But that "rest" was realized in Christ. So for many Christians, recognizing a single day which once symbolized our future spiritual rest, is tantamount to substituting Christ for Saturday. As I mentioned before; The sabbath day was created for man, but only until the Lord of the Sabbath was given for man. jmo
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I feel blessed to have read this discussion over my morning tea today. Thank you all for this wonderful conversation.
I have been a Sabbath keeper my entire adult life. 23 years if memory serves me. It's been lonely for much of that, as the people around me have not been Sabbath keepers. I have learned to accept the peculiar nature of that life, as it certainly separates me from nearly everyone around me. (1 Peter 2:9)
This is a really great article: What is the Seal of God? - Bible Revelation Keeping of the law is the "mark of Yah." It is his law sealed into our heads that sets "His People" apart from the people who follow the Whore of Babylon.
My answer to the stated question; "why so much hatred?"
By the very act of keeping the Sabbath, a believer makes non-Sabbath keepers wrong. That is true of all of the set-apart behaviors of the Yehudim, or Netzrayim. Many believers do not eat unclean meat, do not keep unclean feasts, and do not wear mixed clothing. Not as an act of works to get into heaven, but in a humble desire to be as pleasing to the King as possible. By committing these acts, these believers reflect back the true will of our Father, and shine a light on the sinfulness of Sun-day keepers. By keeping the law, they are revealing the wrongness of what mainstream believers are doing. I'm probably not saying this very well. No one wants to be told they are doing wrong when they have been told and live in certainty that they are right. It's very humbling to realize that one's behavior, which was thought to be holy, is actually profanity in the eyes of your God. It's hard to admit to being lied to, and harder still that we believed the lie.
Humble thyself in the sight of Yah, and he shall lift you up. Amen.
I have been a Sabbath keeper my entire adult life. 23 years if memory serves me. It's been lonely for much of that, as the people around me have not been Sabbath keepers. I have learned to accept the peculiar nature of that life, as it certainly separates me from nearly everyone around me. (1 Peter 2:9)
This is a really great article: What is the Seal of God? - Bible Revelation Keeping of the law is the "mark of Yah." It is his law sealed into our heads that sets "His People" apart from the people who follow the Whore of Babylon.
My answer to the stated question; "why so much hatred?"
By the very act of keeping the Sabbath, a believer makes non-Sabbath keepers wrong. That is true of all of the set-apart behaviors of the Yehudim, or Netzrayim. Many believers do not eat unclean meat, do not keep unclean feasts, and do not wear mixed clothing. Not as an act of works to get into heaven, but in a humble desire to be as pleasing to the King as possible. By committing these acts, these believers reflect back the true will of our Father, and shine a light on the sinfulness of Sun-day keepers. By keeping the law, they are revealing the wrongness of what mainstream believers are doing. I'm probably not saying this very well. No one wants to be told they are doing wrong when they have been told and live in certainty that they are right. It's very humbling to realize that one's behavior, which was thought to be holy, is actually profanity in the eyes of your God. It's hard to admit to being lied to, and harder still that we believed the lie.
Humble thyself in the sight of Yah, and he shall lift you up. Amen.
I am NOT one with people who deny scripture! I believe it, all of it. I don't think one scripture cancels another and I don't identify with those people. God told me that if someone accepts Christ they are my bother, but those who deny all other scripture are brothers who have alienated themselves, the black sheep of the family.
You say Christ condemned the law? Do you actually think that because Christ is the end of the law because through Christ all is forgiven, that means that Christ cancelled what the law was for? I know, because it is a schoolmaster and points to sin that cancels the law as a guide to us!! Oh My!!
Like all black sheep in any family, they only tell how awful the members of the family are, never talk of what the family stands for. Like "you only love the law for the sake of righteousness you bad person". "In your eyes I have failed". In God's eyes you are listening to some of His words and denying others, that is what you say you are doing.
You say Christ condemned the law? Do you actually think that because Christ is the end of the law because through Christ all is forgiven, that means that Christ cancelled what the law was for? I know, because it is a schoolmaster and points to sin that cancels the law as a guide to us!! Oh My!!
Like all black sheep in any family, they only tell how awful the members of the family are, never talk of what the family stands for. Like "you only love the law for the sake of righteousness you bad person". "In your eyes I have failed". In God's eyes you are listening to some of His words and denying others, that is what you say you are doing.
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sigh...here it is again...more proof that the people who are constantly harping about 'keeping the sabbath' -are not even observing the sabbath in the biblical way-
in the bible you weren't allowed to buy or sell on the sabbath...nehemiah closed the gates of jerusalem on the sabbath to keep the merchants from coming in and doing business...the women who went to jesus' tomb couldn't go buy spices on the sabbath...
but apparently the only thing you have to do to be faithful to God in this matter is to declare yourself a 'sabbath keeper' and then you can go on just as you did before...
in the bible you weren't allowed to buy or sell on the sabbath...nehemiah closed the gates of jerusalem on the sabbath to keep the merchants from coming in and doing business...the women who went to jesus' tomb couldn't go buy spices on the sabbath...
but apparently the only thing you have to do to be faithful to God in this matter is to declare yourself a 'sabbath keeper' and then you can go on just as you did before...
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Our love is for the Lord of the Sabbath, who is our rest. He is our Sabbath rest not the seventh day. It is He who fulfilled the law and in Him we have rest. In Him we cease from our labors and find rest for our souls. He through the Spirit is the one who dwells within the temple of our body. It is going to be Him who creates the new heaven and earth who we will reign with for ever and ever. No more will we have the same flesh when we put on immortality and incorruption, for this flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven.
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The rest in Christ has replaced physical rest so man can get beaten on Friday nights and Saturdays by whatever he's after for he still has Sundays to rest. Our church certainly understands this so service usually starts at around 11 am and Sunday schools at 9:30 am. After lunch gatherings he could do grocery shopping or to continue what's left off on Saturday. The lawyers wouldn't understand this.
Please read scripture before you criticize. Don't read it legalistically but in truth and spirit, and still realize that there is a connection between the world God created and the spiritual world.
With that said, we can say it is wrong not to keep Sabbath. But only Christ can criticize those they see trying to keep it for Christ knew the heart. Scripture tells us all about what is required, posters have reported it on this thread.
With that said, we can say it is wrong not to keep Sabbath. But only Christ can criticize those they see trying to keep it for Christ knew the heart. Scripture tells us all about what is required, posters have reported it on this thread.