I am not one of the posters who uses the word "only" for anything God says. I sacrifice no word of scripture for another word of scripture, it is one unit, one whole. I think everything works together, and I say so. Now!!! I am sacrificing EVERYTHING on the ALTAR of the Sabbath? Is that what it means when scripture tells us to keep the Sabbath? Is that sacrificing Sabbath on an altar? We all require the glace of God, every sinner of us, and we all need the Holy Spirit. Without it our very lives are not fulfilled. But thanks for telling us what you think. I was hoping for a word about scripture, not a personal reading of my heart that only Christ can do. Maybe you should take up fortune telling, aren't they supposed to be able to tell these things about others?
Why such hatred for the seventh day?
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I hope that you are convicted in your heart and that you rise up from the deadness of the letter. Keeping the Sabbath gives no one any life from God but receiving from the Spirit quickens us in the truth and raises us from the dead that we might be alive unto God. The letter, even the letter of keeping the Sabbath, will kill but the Spirit gives life. You want to honor God then receive grace through the Spirit so that you can have His life reigning in you and bearing His fruit. That is not what a fortune teller would tell you but the Spirit does through the promises of God.
You have it backwards. When we don't obey God we hate the finished work of Christ. The finished work of Christ allows us to love God by the way He defines love. The finished work allows us to love God without fear, guilt or shame for our short falls. Start showing appreciation for what Jesus did through your obedience. It's like when a cop gives you a warning for speeding. The warning doesn't make you speed more, if it did, the cop would probably arrest you instead of just giving you a ticket.
Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
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Addressed t me, you say,
"sigh...here it is again...more proof that the people who are constantly harping about 'keeping the sabbath' -are not even observing the sabbath in the biblical way."
I do not merit this commentary since I do not insist anyone keep the Seventh Day on the Seventh Day. When I come into these discussions, I share what, why and how.
Now you have me going to the market every Saturday, when all I said is that due to my low income, if there is a sale on meat on the Saturday sale, I take advantage of it in order to keep my diet healthy. I am not stranger to hunger and malnutrition. Praise Yah, only in my childhood. Yahweh has blessed me beyond imagination, even during the worst of times since. If the disciples were allowed by Yeshua to glean wheat on the Sabbath, the Seventh Day, the mercy of Yeshua allows for me to eat well when possible, to fetch a donky fallen into a pit, to do whatever good given me to do on the Sabbath. You see the "Biblical way," as you have labeled it includes the Example of Yeshua, the New Testament, for Yeshua is all of the Word.
You do not know inherently to make blanket condemnations of how what you call Sabbath Keepers observe the Sabbath. You know Paul teaches how one man observes one day over another, and it is not sin as long as it is done with a clear conscience in the sight of Yah. Why then do you think it "off" to observe the Sabbath on the only day of the week mentioned in the Word? Why? Why do you say I am under the law? There is a big difference between having a nature given by the Holy Spirit to obey Yahweh, and blindly following all the laws listed in Torah. I love the laws of Yahweh because of the Salvation from Him in Yeshua, and the freedom afforded by grace and mercy.
Come down from your heights and allow others to worship Yeshua, Jesus, as is given them as long as they do not do anything to deny His singular work for each of us by His life, His suffering and His death on a tree.
I have been consistent in posting those who observe the first day considering it the seventh are family in Yeshua as long as they do it with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh. Judge not by apearances but with right judgment.
As far as your making your point, I have not replied to all of your post because that would be too long, just stop judging and labeling others in the family of God, Yahweh. It is not spiritually healthy.
May Yahweh bless you with tempered understanding, patience and love, amen.
"sigh...here it is again...more proof that the people who are constantly harping about 'keeping the sabbath' -are not even observing the sabbath in the biblical way."
I do not merit this commentary since I do not insist anyone keep the Seventh Day on the Seventh Day. When I come into these discussions, I share what, why and how.
Now you have me going to the market every Saturday, when all I said is that due to my low income, if there is a sale on meat on the Saturday sale, I take advantage of it in order to keep my diet healthy. I am not stranger to hunger and malnutrition. Praise Yah, only in my childhood. Yahweh has blessed me beyond imagination, even during the worst of times since. If the disciples were allowed by Yeshua to glean wheat on the Sabbath, the Seventh Day, the mercy of Yeshua allows for me to eat well when possible, to fetch a donky fallen into a pit, to do whatever good given me to do on the Sabbath. You see the "Biblical way," as you have labeled it includes the Example of Yeshua, the New Testament, for Yeshua is all of the Word.
You do not know inherently to make blanket condemnations of how what you call Sabbath Keepers observe the Sabbath. You know Paul teaches how one man observes one day over another, and it is not sin as long as it is done with a clear conscience in the sight of Yah. Why then do you think it "off" to observe the Sabbath on the only day of the week mentioned in the Word? Why? Why do you say I am under the law? There is a big difference between having a nature given by the Holy Spirit to obey Yahweh, and blindly following all the laws listed in Torah. I love the laws of Yahweh because of the Salvation from Him in Yeshua, and the freedom afforded by grace and mercy.
Come down from your heights and allow others to worship Yeshua, Jesus, as is given them as long as they do not do anything to deny His singular work for each of us by His life, His suffering and His death on a tree.
I have been consistent in posting those who observe the first day considering it the seventh are family in Yeshua as long as they do it with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh. Judge not by apearances but with right judgment.
As far as your making your point, I have not replied to all of your post because that would be too long, just stop judging and labeling others in the family of God, Yahweh. It is not spiritually healthy.
May Yahweh bless you with tempered understanding, patience and love, amen.
T
I really just sit and wonder if God is looking at this debate in favor or if he is saddened that those who proclaim Christ can argue bout such a topic. The more I am exposed to arguments like this the more I am starting to wonder.... If my entire salvation and hope to enter the Kingdom of Heaven is dependent on following a Sabbath day, and if this is in fact the pivotal point of our Faith, and God in Heaven would deny me that grace for celebrating a day of Worship on a Sunday... I'm not so sure if I'm cut out for this....
I can see why you have athiests, why you have people who hate religion - its because of you people who cannot look past all these things and focus on the Cross and Jesus' defeat over death so we can be saved.
If God is true to his word saying that he wishes for ALL of mankind to be saved, enforcing the day of Sabbath after Christ had come to fulfill the law makes no sense, because surely He knows above all... that only a handful will be saved. Perhaps that is his plan after all... so everyone who worships on a Sunday, I suppose would be lost, because we fail to abide by that 1 law.
That's a nail in my coffin, thank you for your input on this forum post. It was most enlightening.
Thankfully.... I have Galatians 3
[h=3]The Law Brings a Curse[/h]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written,“Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[e] 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God isevident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[f] 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[g]
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[h=3]The Changeless Promise[/h]15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[i] who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[j] that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[h=3]Purpose of the Law[/h]19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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I can see why you have athiests, why you have people who hate religion - its because of you people who cannot look past all these things and focus on the Cross and Jesus' defeat over death so we can be saved.
If God is true to his word saying that he wishes for ALL of mankind to be saved, enforcing the day of Sabbath after Christ had come to fulfill the law makes no sense, because surely He knows above all... that only a handful will be saved. Perhaps that is his plan after all... so everyone who worships on a Sunday, I suppose would be lost, because we fail to abide by that 1 law.
That's a nail in my coffin, thank you for your input on this forum post. It was most enlightening.
Thankfully.... I have Galatians 3
[h=3]The Law Brings a Curse[/h]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written,“Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[e] 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God isevident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[f] 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[g]
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[h]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[h=3]The Changeless Promise[/h]15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man’s covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it. 16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[i] who is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ,[j] that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
[h=3]Purpose of the Law[/h]19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
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It must be a heavy burden for you. Did you read the previous post, 225? There is nothing stating one must observe the Seventh Day on the Seventh Day. It is a reply to someone who also seems to misunderstand what is posted in response to them. For your benefit I will repeat myself for the umpteenth time.
Anyone who observes the Seventh Day on another day of the week with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh, God, is not sinning. Yes, my understanding impels me to go by what I see written plainly in the Word.
Is this arguing one must observe on the Seventh Day the day God designated as His Day of Rest? I do not believe it is. If it is, please show me, and I will repent of it immediately. The difficutly most have who observe the Sabbath of the Lord is when they explain to others who do no why they do, it is taken as being under the law, and not following their own new heart's desire to please the Father by obeying Him as best possible within the freedom of grace afforded by the Blood of His Lamb, Yeshua.
Nothing in this post should offend anyone, yet, it does. Pity. Praise Yahweh, God, and bless those who are not lawless.
Anyone who observes the Seventh Day on another day of the week with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh, God, is not sinning. Yes, my understanding impels me to go by what I see written plainly in the Word.
Is this arguing one must observe on the Seventh Day the day God designated as His Day of Rest? I do not believe it is. If it is, please show me, and I will repent of it immediately. The difficutly most have who observe the Sabbath of the Lord is when they explain to others who do no why they do, it is taken as being under the law, and not following their own new heart's desire to please the Father by obeying Him as best possible within the freedom of grace afforded by the Blood of His Lamb, Yeshua.
Nothing in this post should offend anyone, yet, it does. Pity. Praise Yahweh, God, and bless those who are not lawless.
Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1-7; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
Jesus appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week (John 20:19).
Jesus appeared inside the room to the eleven disciples eight days after the first day of the week. The Jewish way of measuring days meant that it was again Sunday (John 20:26).
The Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, the first day of the week (Lev. 23:16; Acts 2:1).
The first sermon was preached by Peter on the first day of the week (Acts 2:14).
Three thousand converts joined the church on the first day of the week (Acts 2:41).
The three thousand were baptized on the first day of the week (Acts 2:41).
The Christians assembled broke bread on the first day of the week.
The Christians also heard a message from Paul on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). [Note: the reference is until midnight which is not the Jewish method of measuring days, but the Roman system.]
Paul instructed the churches to put aside contributions on the first day of the week (1 Cor. 16:2).
Jesus gave the apostle John the vision of Revelation on the first day of the week (Rev. 1:10).
Sheesh, I played internet theologian & did a quick Google search & found this on the first site checked...... It's really not that hard, guys.
Jesus appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week (John 20:19).
Jesus appeared inside the room to the eleven disciples eight days after the first day of the week. The Jewish way of measuring days meant that it was again Sunday (John 20:26).
The Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, the first day of the week (Lev. 23:16; Acts 2:1).
The first sermon was preached by Peter on the first day of the week (Acts 2:14).
Three thousand converts joined the church on the first day of the week (Acts 2:41).
The three thousand were baptized on the first day of the week (Acts 2:41).
The Christians assembled broke bread on the first day of the week.
The Christians also heard a message from Paul on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). [Note: the reference is until midnight which is not the Jewish method of measuring days, but the Roman system.]
Paul instructed the churches to put aside contributions on the first day of the week (1 Cor. 16:2).
Jesus gave the apostle John the vision of Revelation on the first day of the week (Rev. 1:10).
Sheesh, I played internet theologian & did a quick Google search & found this on the first site checked...... It's really not that hard, guys.
You are sure on the right track, it is up to God and what He sees! And to fight about a law and how to live after we are saved is silly and wrong, but to seriously consider how to do that in the best way, talking it over seriously, that can't be wrong.
This is getting into some pretty important stuff. Did Christ change how the Sabbath was made? Are we supposed to obey? There are posters here with different interpretations telling us why they think about it as they do. It is so fundamental feelings run deep. Those who aren't trying to discuss this but only accuse aren't using God's ways. People who feel personally threatened by posters if they state their beliefs have a serious problem.
People who have not focused on the cross and are saved by Christ are not interested in the Sabbath at all. We all have that in common. This thread is about the next step, what does the Lord want of us in obedience? There are fights here because we are sinful and human, aren't we all? But there is good discussion of scripture here, too.
I hope you will see this discussion in a different light and just focus on the scripture being brought out, each person needs to make decisions, but those decisions are for after the focus on the cross and their salvation.
This is getting into some pretty important stuff. Did Christ change how the Sabbath was made? Are we supposed to obey? There are posters here with different interpretations telling us why they think about it as they do. It is so fundamental feelings run deep. Those who aren't trying to discuss this but only accuse aren't using God's ways. People who feel personally threatened by posters if they state their beliefs have a serious problem.
People who have not focused on the cross and are saved by Christ are not interested in the Sabbath at all. We all have that in common. This thread is about the next step, what does the Lord want of us in obedience? There are fights here because we are sinful and human, aren't we all? But there is good discussion of scripture here, too.
I hope you will see this discussion in a different light and just focus on the scripture being brought out, each person needs to make decisions, but those decisions are for after the focus on the cross and their salvation.
T
Apologies, but my post was not aimed at your post at all, I was going through all the posts I haven't read and it was a general consensus on the idea that people so easily point fingers.... your post I understood very clear. But sadly there are those on this forum who very clearly and very blatantly condemn the ones who celebrates the 'seventh day of rest' on a day other than the original Sabbath day they believe in. Your understanding of the day of rest is the same as mine.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ThePottersClay again.
Thank you. I concluded for myself a long time ago that it is important for each of us to share our understanding, yours being no exception. For me it is not a chore or works, it is my due. I am tickled pink to know someone else sees what I see. My aim is never to convince others of what I think for all glory is to God, Yahweh. It is a tricky proposition in an open forum containing theologies, sects, believers, unbelievers, even trolls, because there is always an interest or an interest group ready to attack any post no matter how docile, even attacking the words of the Lamb of Yahweh, God.
It is difficult at times not to think of the forum as an assembly of Yahweh, God. Of course it is not wholly, and this does cause some abrasion. Yahweh bless you and hold you close always.
Thank you. I concluded for myself a long time ago that it is important for each of us to share our understanding, yours being no exception. For me it is not a chore or works, it is my due. I am tickled pink to know someone else sees what I see. My aim is never to convince others of what I think for all glory is to God, Yahweh. It is a tricky proposition in an open forum containing theologies, sects, believers, unbelievers, even trolls, because there is always an interest or an interest group ready to attack any post no matter how docile, even attacking the words of the Lamb of Yahweh, God.
It is difficult at times not to think of the forum as an assembly of Yahweh, God. Of course it is not wholly, and this does cause some abrasion. Yahweh bless you and hold you close always.