Baptism Essential to Salvation

[homwardbound]

This in no way refutes Phillip water baptized the eunuch. This water baptism is the human administered water baptism the disciples were commissioned to do, Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16; Lk 24:47. It's the one baptism of Eph 4;5, it is commanded, Acts 2;38; it saves/remits sins, Acts 2;28, 1 Pet 3:21; it is commanded to every nation, Mk 16:15,16; it lasts till the end of time, Mt 28:19,20.

Acts 2:41, rejecting baptism is rejecting the gospel

Acts 2:47 the ones being saved and added to the church were the ones obeying the gospel by repenting and being baptized, v38.

Was not refuting water Baptism, never have, and do think it is good to be water baptized as a good conscience between you and God alone,
Water baptism does not save, it starts one on the road to see they can't ever be good enough to be saved and need Christ to impute the righteousness of God into them to be able to walk as Christ already did here on earth for us all, you think?

so as one is pure by Christ and made alive by Father in the resurrected Christ, in Spirit and truth, one walks correctly by Father leading we follow

[h=1]1 John 3:3New International Version (NIV)[/h][SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

 

[homwardbound]

Jn 19:34 shows Christ shed His blood in His death

Rom 6:3-5 shows baptism is what puts one in Christ's death where His blood was shed. So water baptism is what gives one access to Christ's death and shed blood.

[h=1]Romans 6:1-4New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ[/h]6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Where does it say water and were anyone saved before his crucifixion, and resurrection. If water baptism did this, then there was no need for the death, burial and resurrected Christ was there?

For the Holy Spirit of God the Father was not given, until 10 days after Christ's ascension was it? and in acts it states this:
[h=1]Acts 1:5Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

So what happened 10 days later and so which Baptism is now in effect, is John's Baptism to be decreased over and out and Christ's to be increased?

John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.

 

[homwardbound]

What does Abraham being circumcised have to do with Christ's blood washing away sins in baptism?

Oh so sorry you do not see, praying you will, and trusting God to reveal it to you and if not, Father knows best
My new heart in Father thanks to Christ goes out to you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have not seen any one say a physical circumcision is necessary to being saved.

Col 2:11,12 God performs a spiritual circumcision in cutting away the body of sin, but God does this when one is buried in baptism, no where else.

You did not read a thing I said/

I said water baptism is the NT form of the jews claiming physical circumcision.

Both represent being cleansed

Both represent being set apart

Both are done by hands of men.

Yet paul makes it clear. it is not the one done by hands of men, but by the hands of God which cleanses us.

 

[newbirth]

You did not read a thing I said/

I said water baptism is the NT form of the jews claiming physical circumcision.

Both represent being cleansed

Both represent being set apart

Both are done by hands of men.

Yet paul makes it clear. it is not the one done by hands of men, but by the hands of God which cleanses us.

It is clear Jesus said to do it...and that makes it very necessary....Paul did it...i am sure you did it

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

 

[Kerry]

All of this is baloney, what would baptism do with out the cross? I guess if you stink your family and neighbors would be happy.

 

[Alligator]

Never said "I" have no sin, or that i have never sinned or that I will never again.

I said I have received what God did for me and all the world at the cross for me and all, and I am overjoyed, elated and today have entered his courts by Christ with thanksgiving and praise as where King David was looking forward to this and had not yet been able to actually enter, but knew it was coming and today I am after this event that took place at the cross for all that believe to be brought unto new life in Spirit and truth by the resurrected Christ
Maybe, God willing God will reveal this to you, if you change your mind and decide to believe as you say you do, and yet show me from what I see you do not,
I am in prayer for you to come to the light that overcame and overcomes the darkness that once was in me, and I do not say this arrogantly, proudly or boastfully to you or anyone
Rather in humility and thankfully to God for doing and giving what I do not deserve and that is the new life in Spirit and truth by the resurrected Christ not the dead one that all seem to only focus on, and there is no new life in death, the life is in the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth for God:

John 4:24 [Full Chapter]
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Flesh is dead by Baptism of God by the Holy Spirit of truth (God) and thus held back alive by God's power, not any of ours

I don't need to change my mind, I am already a believer and have been for years. Just because I don't see all Scripture the same way you do, that doesn't make me an unbeliever. Do you understand?

 

[newbirth]

All of this is baloney, what would baptism do with out the cross? I guess if you stink your family and neighbors would be happy.

What happened on the cross no man can do,Christ did it and it was done perfectly.....the issue here is man's part hence is
[h=2]Baptism Essential to Salvation [/h]hardly will you get a response concerning the cross

 

[Kerry]

What happened on the cross no man can do,Christ did it and it was done perfectly.....the issue here is man's part hence is
Baptism Essential to Salvation

hardly will you get a response concerning the cross

Why put another step when God did not, why rely on what you do instead of what God did? does it tickle the flesh?

 

[SeaBass]

Seabass, God just love you get it I pray, and am not interested in anything else but God to trust God by Christ, period, thanks for your two cents

My point was and still is that the thief is just 'grasping at straws' and is not a valid argument to try and get rid of the necessity of being water baptized.

 

[SeaBass]

Okay, thank you for this, where is the true Church at? Is there one on earth today? Or is it you and where you go and those that your place of worship recognize only?

Yes, that one true church still exists for Christ said the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

But the issue I am raising from Acts 2:47 is this: who in Acts 2 were the ones being saved?

The ones that obeyed God's command of verse 38?
The ones that refused to obey verse 38?

 

[SeaBass]

All I want is what God wants for you to be saved and just trust God all in all first and foremost before anyone or anything else Your choice and it is between God and you, not anyone else or any other denomination or gathering of any fellowship or any water Baptism
If you do trust God all in all, God will lead and I trust God to do this, and if you have not made the choice then please do, make the conscious choice as to whether you believe God or not wholly?
please decide this between God and you and be done, alive or not, thank you, have a blessed day, week, moth and year, for God truly does just love you

No one can just assume themselves to be the pronoun "you" in Mt 3:11 and then create some theological idea based on an assumption.

 

[SeaBass]

Was not refuting water Baptism, never have, and do think it is good to be water baptized as a good conscience between you and God alone,
Water baptism does not save, it starts one on the road to see they can't ever be good enough to be saved and need Christ to impute the righteousness of God into them to be able to walk as Christ already did here on earth for us all, you think?

so as one is pure by Christ and made alive by Father in the resurrected Christ, in Spirit and truth, one walks correctly by Father leading we follow

1 John 3:3New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

I'll stay with clear bible teachings that show baptism saves Matt 28:19,20; Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2:38; Rom 6:3-6; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27; Eph 5:26; Col 2:11,12

 

[SeaBass]

Romans 6:1-4New International Version (NIV)

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3[/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Where does it say water and were anyone saved before his crucifixion, and resurrection. If water baptism did this, then there was no need for the death, burial and resurrected Christ was there?

For the Holy Spirit of God the Father was not given, until 10 days after Christ's ascension was it? and in acts it states this:
Acts 1:5Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

So what happened 10 days later and so which Baptism is now in effect, is John's Baptism to be decreased over and out and Christ's to be increased?

John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.

Did you see how Rom 6:3 says "baptized into His death"? And He shed His blood in His death, Jn 19:37. So by baptism putting one into His death, then baptism brings one in contact with His blood that was shed in His death. There is just a too obvious, easy connection made between Christ's death and baptism many just refuse to see.

In Acts 1:1-5 Jesus was speaking to His apostles and it was the apostles Jesus was promising baptism wit the HS, not anyone else.

 

[SeaBass]

Oh so sorry you do not see, praying you will, and trusting God to reveal it to you and if not, Father knows best
My new heart in Father thanks to Christ goes out to you

Abraham being circumcised has nothing to do with the necessity of water baptism in the NT.

 

[SeaBass]

You did not read a thing I said/

I said water baptism is the NT form of the jews claiming physical circumcision.

Both represent being cleansed

Both represent being set apart

Both are done by hands of men.

Yet paul makes it clear. it is not the one done by hands of men, but by the hands of God which cleanses us.

Circumcision is not an OT type of NT water baptism. Water baptism has been commanded to everyone (Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16) not just 8 day old males.

Col 2:11,12 a circumcision made without hands is a spiritual cutting away of the body of sin, a work done by God only when one is baptized....." you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God". When I was baptized I had faith in God in cutting away the body of sin....many do not have this faith in God.

 

[SeaBass]

All of this is baloney, what would baptism do with out the cross? I guess if you stink your family and neighbors would be happy.

What would believing do without the cross? Nothing.
What would repenting do without the cross? Nothing.
What would confessing do without the cross? Nothing.

 

[SeaBass]

Why put another step when God did not, why rely on what you do instead of what God did? does it tickle the flesh?

Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2:38; Rom 6:3-6; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27....God certainly did include the step of baptism. It is man-made theology that thinks it knows better than God that tries to get rid of that step.

 

[newbirth]

Why put another step when God did not, why rely on what you do instead of what God did? does it tickle the flesh?

What God did is perfect ,what we do is in question....If you obey it is God you obey if you disobey it is God you disobey...
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[newbirth]

Was not refuting water Baptism, never have, and do think it is good to be water baptized as a good conscience between you and God alone,
Water baptism does not save, it starts one on the road to see they can't ever be good enough to be saved and need Christ to impute the righteousness of God into them to be able to walk as Christ already did here on earth for us all, you think?

so as one is pure by Christ and made alive by Father in the resurrected Christ, in Spirit and truth, one walks correctly by Father leading we follow

1 John 3:3New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

What is the hope of the disobedient? ...are we now going to peel off all Christ commands one by one because someone says it does not save?...
everyone has their own opinion but the word still saysMatthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: