Baptism Essential to Salvation
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Does it matter THEY WERE COMMANDED ACCORDING TO THE LAW
Your going to tell me their word DID NOT SAVE THEM, and OUR WORK WILL?
So God needs us to do what he never required from them to get saved?
Dude you know nothing about the grace of God. that is quite obvious
You did not read the passage, he most certainly did.
The baptism circumcision of Col 2 is done by the hand of God. not by the hand of men, Your the one twisting the passage, not me, your adding something that is not in there.
risen by the work of God. Or operation of God as your interpretation says.
You added the word water. And the work of man. Shame on you. That is blasphemy
risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."
there it is in black and white
again shame on you!
the scripture proves doers are saved and receives eternal life...you do nothing ...you just say you believe
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.
So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law.
For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical.
But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.
His praise is not from man but from God.
(Romans 2:25-29)
let our hearts be baptized!
I am not worthy to remove His sandals.
He Himself will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
(Matthew 3:11)
may our Lord Himself baptize us in this way!
So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law.
For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical.
But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.
His praise is not from man but from God.
(Romans 2:25-29)
let our hearts be baptized!
I am not worthy to remove His sandals.
He Himself will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
(Matthew 3:11)
may our Lord Himself baptize us in this way!
Water baptism is not essential for salvation.
Water baptism does not put a new convert into the body of Jesus Christ.
The Holy Ghost places the new convert into Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 12:13).
Water baptism is simply an ordinance that a new believer in Christ should follow. But it is not essential for salvation.
Let me emphasize here well one has finished the holy sacraments offaith i.cluding reveiving the Holy ghost does that make someone saved ? Lets look at acts 2:22 Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. As many as the Lord shall call lets look at mathew 25: 21 Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
39 For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. As many as the Lord shall call lets look at mathew 25: 21 Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
It is the power of the cross that saves that we may be partakers of His death that the same spirit that raksed Jesus will raise us on thst day , the baptisms the foot washing the lords passover supper (communion) everything we do can be null and void unless we give trust in Him that He did die on that cross therefore you have believed therefore you are saved and all righteousness shall follow and being trully born of the spirit and not just quickened by the spirit . 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and stays for ever.
Your gospel plan places believing before repentance. Belief/faith in the churches of Christ is understood as nothing more than "intellectual assent” to the existence and historical facts about Christ. Those in the churches of Christ often fail to understand that there is a deeper, more substantive faith which is believes/trusts in Jesus Christ for eternal life, and cannot distinguish between mere intellectual belief or assent from faith that trusts exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation.
They will cite that "even the devils believe" (from James 2:19) in their sermons and will contend that even the "faith of devils" is the same as any other faith "except" that the faith of devils lack good works. You would have to admit then that you have a faith that is no different from the faith of devils, and others who believed the facts about Christ "intellectually." The only difference is you "add your works." You cannot grasp this deeper belief/faith which trusts exclusively in Christ for salvation. This also explains why you have so much faith in "water and works."
Thus, their/your understanding gives rise to their reversal of the scriptural order of repentance and belief/faith. To the contrary, we find that repentance actually precedes saving belief/faith in Christ:
“…you did not repent and believe him.” Matt. 21:32
“Repent, and believe the gospel.” Mark 1:15
“…repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” Acts 20:21
Are you ready to repent and believe the gospel?
The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Everyone one of us who has put our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, have changed our minds, we all repented. Whatever else we were trusting in before we put our faith in Jesus Christ, we changed our minds about when we realized that Jesus Christ is the only way. So repentance in salvation involves a change of mind about our sinful position and need for Christ to save us and any form of self-trust in human works, religious tradition, etc. followed by a trust in the finished work of Christ which alone has the power to save us.
In Matthew 10:32-33, the broader context of this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples spoke about Him in every city they visited. We might paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like these Pharisees do on every occasion they get), I will deny him before my Father in heaven. Those who confess Jesus are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him alone for salvation. Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him (John 10:9; 14:6). The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Him three times - Luke 22:34), but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:22-23, but lack saving faith) will be denied by Christ before the Father.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say whoever is not water baptized will be condemned." If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus Himself not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *Did Jesus forget to mention baptism? Believing is not baptism and believing precedes baptism and we are saved when we BELIEVE in Him for salvation (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..). It's just that simple.
In Colossians 1:14 and Ephesians 1:7, - "through His blood" is a reference not limited to the fluid as if the blood has saving properties in it's chemistry and we contact it in the waters of baptism, but is an expression pointing to the totality of Christ's atoning work as a sacrifice for sin. The word "cross" is used similarly to refer to the whole atoning work of Christ on the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18; Galatians 6:12,14; Ephesians 2:16). I understand you needing to accommodate the theology of your church but this is ridiculous!
Acts 10:43 - whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins (before water baptism vs 44-47). 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith (not by water baptism). Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him who believes in Jesus. Plain and simple.
They will cite that "even the devils believe" (from James 2:19) in their sermons and will contend that even the "faith of devils" is the same as any other faith "except" that the faith of devils lack good works. You would have to admit then that you have a faith that is no different from the faith of devils, and others who believed the facts about Christ "intellectually." The only difference is you "add your works." You cannot grasp this deeper belief/faith which trusts exclusively in Christ for salvation. This also explains why you have so much faith in "water and works."
Thus, their/your understanding gives rise to their reversal of the scriptural order of repentance and belief/faith. To the contrary, we find that repentance actually precedes saving belief/faith in Christ:
“…you did not repent and believe him.” Matt. 21:32
“Repent, and believe the gospel.” Mark 1:15
“…repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.” Acts 20:21
Are you ready to repent and believe the gospel?
The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Everyone one of us who has put our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, have changed our minds, we all repented. Whatever else we were trusting in before we put our faith in Jesus Christ, we changed our minds about when we realized that Jesus Christ is the only way. So repentance in salvation involves a change of mind about our sinful position and need for Christ to save us and any form of self-trust in human works, religious tradition, etc. followed by a trust in the finished work of Christ which alone has the power to save us.
In Matthew 10:32-33, the broader context of this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples spoke about Him in every city they visited. We might paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like these Pharisees do on every occasion they get), I will deny him before my Father in heaven. Those who confess Jesus are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him alone for salvation. Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him (John 10:9; 14:6). The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Him three times - Luke 22:34), but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:22-23, but lack saving faith) will be denied by Christ before the Father.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say whoever is not water baptized will be condemned." If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus Himself not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions 9 different times in each of these complete statements? BELIEVES. *Did Jesus forget to mention baptism? Believing is not baptism and believing precedes baptism and we are saved when we BELIEVE in Him for salvation (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..). It's just that simple.
In Colossians 1:14 and Ephesians 1:7, - "through His blood" is a reference not limited to the fluid as if the blood has saving properties in it's chemistry and we contact it in the waters of baptism, but is an expression pointing to the totality of Christ's atoning work as a sacrifice for sin. The word "cross" is used similarly to refer to the whole atoning work of Christ on the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18; Galatians 6:12,14; Ephesians 2:16). I understand you needing to accommodate the theology of your church but this is ridiculous!
Acts 10:43 - whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins (before water baptism vs 44-47). 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith (not by water baptism). Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him who believes in Jesus. Plain and simple.
I wish people would quit saying that baptism is a "Confession" of salvation. There is no bible for that. The bible says confession is made with "the mouth" not "with baptism." Nowhere in the bible does it say that baptism is a "confession" or "profession" of anything. You are repeating what you have been taught by men and that is why you believe a false doctrine. Water baptism is essential to salvation. If people would stop believing everything they hear just because it came out of a man's mouth that they respect, and go study what he says to find out if it lines up with the bible, there would be a lot more people with true salvation.
Why would it be foolish when in all the NT it was only the apostles Christ promised baptism with the HS?, Acts 1:1-5? Acts 1:1-5 is the fulfillment of John's words of Mt 3:11.
People want to ASSUME themselves being the "you" in Mt 3:11 for no other reason than to try to find a way around the necessity of water baptism.
People want to ASSUME themselves being the "you" in Mt 3:11 for no other reason than to try to find a way around the necessity of water baptism.
YOU made the erroneous argument OT circumcision is a type for NT baptism. So is NT baptism only for males? You never showed me where females under the OT law were circumcised. As Coffman noted "If circumcision should be made a type of baptism, then only men could be baptized; it would have to take place on the eighth day of their lives; there could be no prior conditions such as faith, repentance or confession; and it could be received only by those already in covenant relationship with the Lord; and how could that be applied to an eight-day-old infant? "
Col 2 shows men submit to water baptism and that is when God performs the circumcision made without hands.
Acts 2:38-----baptism>>>>>>>>>>>remits sins
1pet3:21-----baptism>>>>>>>>>>>saves
The reason Peter said baptism remits sins/saves because water baptism is the point where God removes/remits the body of sins of the flesh
The context says nothing about the man who baptized me in water.
Col 2 shows men submit to water baptism and that is when God performs the circumcision made without hands.
Acts 2:38-----baptism>>>>>>>>>>>remits sins
1pet3:21-----baptism>>>>>>>>>>>saves
The reason Peter said baptism remits sins/saves because water baptism is the point where God removes/remits the body of sins of the flesh
The context says nothing about the man who baptized me in water.
Why and how would an atheist repent?
Heb 11:5 without faith repentance is nothing, not possible. An unbelieving person would not even know to repent.
Jesus was speaking to Jews who were not atheist but ALREADY believed in the existence of the God of heaven. They needed to repent of their hard heart toward Christ then they could come to believe in Christ realizing then they were lost in sin and repent of that sin.
Mt 26:28 Jesus said remission of sins by his blood
Acts 2:38 baptisim remts sins
Logically then baptism is the point one accesses Christ's blood that remits sins
Heb 11:5 without faith repentance is nothing, not possible. An unbelieving person would not even know to repent.
Jesus was speaking to Jews who were not atheist but ALREADY believed in the existence of the God of heaven. They needed to repent of their hard heart toward Christ then they could come to believe in Christ realizing then they were lost in sin and repent of that sin.
Mt 26:28 Jesus said remission of sins by his blood
Acts 2:38 baptisim remts sins
Logically then baptism is the point one accesses Christ's blood that remits sins
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you make a statement based on an erroneous understanding of what I said.
OT is NOT a type of the NT Baptism.
Both the OT circumcision, and NT baptisms are TYPES of the washing performed by God.
As for col 2. It says How god circumcizes without hands, By baptizing us into Christ. You adding a middle man in the equation, and forcing God to wait on some sinner to dunk you in water before he can cleanse you. That is a dangerous and foolhearty thing to do.
OT is NOT a type of the NT Baptism.
Both the OT circumcision, and NT baptisms are TYPES of the washing performed by God.
As for col 2. It says How god circumcizes without hands, By baptizing us into Christ. You adding a middle man in the equation, and forcing God to wait on some sinner to dunk you in water before he can cleanse you. That is a dangerous and foolhearty thing to do.
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The scripture PROVES those who are saved are doers, as apposed to those who are not saved, Hearers only and not doers (because they have no faith)
Your talking to the wall because you keep making false accusations. Does that make you Happy? does it make you feel better when you claim lies about what someone else believes? if it does. I guess then keep feeling the way you do. If my pain by your false accusations makes you feel better about yourself. Then I guess I am being a giver, not a reciever.
Your talking to the wall because you keep making false accusations. Does that make you Happy? does it make you feel better when you claim lies about what someone else believes? if it does. I guess then keep feeling the way you do. If my pain by your false accusations makes you feel better about yourself. Then I guess I am being a giver, not a reciever.