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Do you have an explanation of the following passage?
How do you interpret the following and how do we apply it to our lives today... I do not believe you have a good sound explanation of this passage, but if you do then give it.
Do you not know, brethren—for I am speaking to men who are acquainted with the Law (as you are JaumeJ) that legal claims have power over a person only for as long as he is alive?
2 For [instance] a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is loosed and discharged from the law concerning her husband.
3 Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to another man, she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brethren, you have undergone death as to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that now you may belong to Another, to Him Who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 When we were living in the flesh (mere physical lives), the sinful passions that were awakened and aroused up by the Law were constantly operating in our natural powers (in our bodily organs, in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh), so that we bore fruit for death.
6 But now we are discharged from the Law and have terminated all intercourse with it, having died to what once restrained and held us captive. So now we serve not under [obedience to] the old code of written regulations, but [under obedience to the promptings] of the Spirit in newness [of life].
How do you interpret the following and how do we apply it to our lives today... I do not believe you have a good sound explanation of this passage, but if you do then give it.
Do you not know, brethren—for I am speaking to men who are acquainted with the Law (as you are JaumeJ) that legal claims have power over a person only for as long as he is alive?
2 For [instance] a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is loosed and discharged from the law concerning her husband.
3 Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to another man, she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brethren, you have undergone death as to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that now you may belong to Another, to Him Who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 When we were living in the flesh (mere physical lives), the sinful passions that were awakened and aroused up by the Law were constantly operating in our natural powers (in our bodily organs, in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh), so that we bore fruit for death.
6 But now we are discharged from the Law and have terminated all intercourse with it, having died to what once restrained and held us captive. So now we serve not under [obedience to] the old code of written regulations, but [under obedience to the promptings] of the Spirit in newness [of life].
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Its not an easy road to heaven. And those who turn back to works of the law stray off the road to heaven as they make themselves a transgressor (sinner/worker of iniquity), Gal 2:18.
They deny God by their works of the law, by which they have fallen from grace, Gal 5:4.
1Tim 6:11-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus) without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing
Christians fight the good fight of faith, believing on Jesus. We keep this commandment without spot, blameless.
But the law is NOT of faith, Gal 3:12.
Hence we see that legalists are not fighting the good fight.
They deny God by their works of the law, by which they have fallen from grace, Gal 5:4.
1Tim 6:11-14
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, that you keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus) without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing
Christians fight the good fight of faith, believing on Jesus. We keep this commandment without spot, blameless.
But the law is NOT of faith, Gal 3:12.
Hence we see that legalists are not fighting the good fight.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.
Ask haz what he thinks about theses scriptures and have him interpret them correctly so we who esteem the law as valuable can understand how to stay above the law rather then go back under it. He might think that Paul wanted to go back under the law also. If we establish the law through faith that means that faith puts us back under the condemnation of the law. That seems to be backwards. I can't get it.
Acts 24:10-14
10 Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him to speak , answered , Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:
11 Because that thou mayest understand , that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship .
12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people , neither in the synagogues, nor in the city: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Ask haz what he thinks about theses scriptures and have him interpret them correctly so we who esteem the law as valuable can understand how to stay above the law rather then go back under it. He might think that Paul wanted to go back under the law also. If we establish the law through faith that means that faith puts us back under the condemnation of the law. That seems to be backwards. I can't get it.
Acts 24:10-14
10 Then Paul, after that the governor had beckoned unto him to speak , answered , Forasmuch as I know that thou hast been of many years a judge unto this nation, I do the more cheerfully answer for myself:
11 Because that thou mayest understand , that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship .
12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people , neither in the synagogues, nor in the city: 13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
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Nobody is "lawless".
The fact that some people lived righteous lives in conformity to God's moral absolutes before the Mosaic Law was instituted indicates two things:
People can be related to the eternal, unchangeable, moral absolutes of God without being under the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law; and it is possible to be free from the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law without being lawless.
Prior to Mount Sinai, God administered His moral absolutes over all mankind in ways other than through the Mosaic Law. From Mount Sinai to the cross of Jesus Christ, He administered His moral absolutes over Israel through the Mosaic Law. Since the time of the cross, God has been administering His eternal absolutes over all of mankind in a way which is different from and superior to the Mosaic Law. The new, superior way of God's administering His moral absolutes is called grace.
The fact that some people lived righteous lives in conformity to God's moral absolutes before the Mosaic Law was instituted indicates two things:
People can be related to the eternal, unchangeable, moral absolutes of God without being under the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law; and it is possible to be free from the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law without being lawless.
Prior to Mount Sinai, God administered His moral absolutes over all mankind in ways other than through the Mosaic Law. From Mount Sinai to the cross of Jesus Christ, He administered His moral absolutes over Israel through the Mosaic Law. Since the time of the cross, God has been administering His eternal absolutes over all of mankind in a way which is different from and superior to the Mosaic Law. The new, superior way of God's administering His moral absolutes is called grace.
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People have to realize that when the Bible speaks of the law it speaks of it as a whole not just the 10 commandments. The sacrificial laws pointed to Christ and His sacrifice for us. We are no longer under that part of the law. To say we are no longer have to keep the 10 commandments would cause anarchy.
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Freedom from the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law does not involve freedom from the eternal, unchangeable moral absolutes of God. It only involves freedom from one way of God's administering His absolutes--namely through the Mosaic Law. If one is under God's grace, in administering His eternal, unchangeable, moral absolutes, one will not be lawless.
Although the Mosaic Law had three aspects (civil, ceremonial, and moral), it functioned as an indivisible unit. Thus, to place oneself under one aspect of the Mosaic Law is to obligate oneself to be under the entire Law. James declared "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10). James was asserting that the breaking of only one part of the Mosaic Law made a person guilty of breaking the entire Law. The only way this could be true was if the Mosaic Law were an indivisible unit.
The fact that the Mosaic Law was indivisible by nature has a strong implication concerning the relationship of the Christian to the Mosaic Law. The implication is that since the Mosaic Law was indivisible by nature, the Christian who places himself under its moral aspect obligates himself to keep every aspect of the Law (the civil, ceremonial and moral). (Galatians 3:10)
Source: There Really Is A Difference: A Comparison of Covenant and Dispensational Theology by Renald E. Showers (excerpts from chapter 16, The Relationship of the Christian to Law and Grace, pg. 187-190)
Keep it ALL (613 commandments...moral, civil, and ceremonial)...continuously and perfectly or you have broken the WHOLE law. So which part of the Law do you believe you don't need to keep?
Although the Mosaic Law had three aspects (civil, ceremonial, and moral), it functioned as an indivisible unit. Thus, to place oneself under one aspect of the Mosaic Law is to obligate oneself to be under the entire Law. James declared "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10). James was asserting that the breaking of only one part of the Mosaic Law made a person guilty of breaking the entire Law. The only way this could be true was if the Mosaic Law were an indivisible unit.
The fact that the Mosaic Law was indivisible by nature has a strong implication concerning the relationship of the Christian to the Mosaic Law. The implication is that since the Mosaic Law was indivisible by nature, the Christian who places himself under its moral aspect obligates himself to keep every aspect of the Law (the civil, ceremonial and moral). (Galatians 3:10)
Source: There Really Is A Difference: A Comparison of Covenant and Dispensational Theology by Renald E. Showers (excerpts from chapter 16, The Relationship of the Christian to Law and Grace, pg. 187-190)
Keep it ALL (613 commandments...moral, civil, and ceremonial)...continuously and perfectly or you have broken the WHOLE law. So which part of the Law do you believe you don't need to keep?
Let my try to clarify our position because I don't think you understand it.
You are right we are not under law "if" we are under Grace.
And you are right that works of the law do not save us.
we don't bring up the law because we think it saves. Jesus is the only one that saves us. So why then do we talk so much about the law?
Its simple, Jesus saves me from sin, Sin is breaking the law. If I am saved from sin/breaking the law then I will be keeping the law. not to be saved that is impossible, but because I am saved.
If you try to walk in love then you are trying to keep the law.
Paul showed what love one another was:
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Notice that love one another fulfills the law and then Paul shows that the commandments are in Fact a description of the standard of love.
To love one another fulfills all 10 commandments. Even though Paul only quotes some of the last six he also include the first four for love thy neighbour because it is impossible to love one another if we do not love God.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
And John continues:
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
So the love of God is to keep his commandments and this through Faith.
Jesus is the only way to this love, it is the love of God shed abroad in our hearts.
Rom_5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Jesus is love:
1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
The law is fulfilled in love as we have seen.
Thus the only way to keep the law is to have Faith in Jesus and His love shed in our hearts by the Holy Spirit through the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins.
You are right we are not under law "if" we are under Grace.
And you are right that works of the law do not save us.
we don't bring up the law because we think it saves. Jesus is the only one that saves us. So why then do we talk so much about the law?
Its simple, Jesus saves me from sin, Sin is breaking the law. If I am saved from sin/breaking the law then I will be keeping the law. not to be saved that is impossible, but because I am saved.
If you try to walk in love then you are trying to keep the law.
Paul showed what love one another was:
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Notice that love one another fulfills the law and then Paul shows that the commandments are in Fact a description of the standard of love.
To love one another fulfills all 10 commandments. Even though Paul only quotes some of the last six he also include the first four for love thy neighbour because it is impossible to love one another if we do not love God.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
And John continues:
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
So the love of God is to keep his commandments and this through Faith.
Jesus is the only way to this love, it is the love of God shed abroad in our hearts.
Rom_5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Jesus is love:
1Jn 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
The law is fulfilled in love as we have seen.
Thus the only way to keep the law is to have Faith in Jesus and His love shed in our hearts by the Holy Spirit through the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins.
In the Law given to Moses by God.
Earthly High priest, but there is also a real we did not do away with the whole concept:
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Jesus fulfills it not by doing away with the whole ministry but by taking it over.
There was an earthly temple:
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
doing away with the sanctuary on earth was because of the real on in heaven where our real High priest intercedes by his own blood for us.
Sacrifices were offered for sin:
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
But now it is the real blood of Jesus ministered for us from the cross.
Have you noticed something? All these ministries were not done away with but improved.
Remember as I have learned recently,
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
SO the law was to bring us to Christ.
Where is Christ?
He is in the heavenly temple ministering his sacrificial blood as our High Priest.
In the old testament the whole sacrificial system revolved around the 10 commandments. That is why the law was added because of sin.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
So law added because of sin.
How did the people know they had sinned?
Just after giving the 10 commandments Moses said to the people:
Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
So the 10 commandments showed them what sin was by showing them what true love is.
Then after that Moses was given the sanctuary and the sacrificial system and the priesthood directions why?
Because they showed how a sinner might be saved.
Jesus is the fulfillment of this law.
So tell me, If you take away the 10 commandments, then what use do you have for a sacrifice? what use do you have for a High priest? what use do you have for a temple for the High Priest to work in?
The very Fact that Jesus continues these ministries on our behalf is proof that the 10 commandments stand still to this day.
as John saw in the book of revelation.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Ark of his Testament what is that?
Exo 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
The ark of the 10 commandments. Seen in heaven after Jesus had died and rose again. still there during the Judgement.
Earthly High priest, but there is also a real we did not do away with the whole concept:
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Jesus fulfills it not by doing away with the whole ministry but by taking it over.
There was an earthly temple:
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
doing away with the sanctuary on earth was because of the real on in heaven where our real High priest intercedes by his own blood for us.
Sacrifices were offered for sin:
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
But now it is the real blood of Jesus ministered for us from the cross.
Have you noticed something? All these ministries were not done away with but improved.
Remember as I have learned recently,
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
SO the law was to bring us to Christ.
Where is Christ?
He is in the heavenly temple ministering his sacrificial blood as our High Priest.
In the old testament the whole sacrificial system revolved around the 10 commandments. That is why the law was added because of sin.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
So law added because of sin.
How did the people know they had sinned?
Just after giving the 10 commandments Moses said to the people:
Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
So the 10 commandments showed them what sin was by showing them what true love is.
Then after that Moses was given the sanctuary and the sacrificial system and the priesthood directions why?
Because they showed how a sinner might be saved.
Jesus is the fulfillment of this law.
So tell me, If you take away the 10 commandments, then what use do you have for a sacrifice? what use do you have for a High priest? what use do you have for a temple for the High Priest to work in?
The very Fact that Jesus continues these ministries on our behalf is proof that the 10 commandments stand still to this day.
as John saw in the book of revelation.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Ark of his Testament what is that?
Exo 40:20 And he took and put the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark:
The ark of the 10 commandments. Seen in heaven after Jesus had died and rose again. still there during the Judgement.
K
All the law is covered in love, but the scriptures make it clear to that if you live in willful sin then you do not truly love God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
Which is why it says they will die in their sins.
Two people on here tried to tell me yesterday that when you repent, that repentance is just a change in mind that makes the sin that was not acceptable now acceptable.
I just had to shake my head and leave out of that blog.
Which is why it says they will die in their sins.
Two people on here tried to tell me yesterday that when you repent, that repentance is just a change in mind that makes the sin that was not acceptable now acceptable.
I just had to shake my head and leave out of that blog.
This is true,,,,If saying it backward will help I will say it backward,,"Six days thou shalt do thy work,<---"COMMA",,,(you know what goes here,I will not repeat it)",,,so Adam as punishment was told all the days of his life he would labor(gen. 3;17-19),,a day is as a thousand years(2nd peter 3;8),,so Man(Adam) is given six days(6000 years),,and then he will rest,,"it is a prophecy",,,