BEWARE the Lawkeepers

jag1977 · Jul 17, 2014

I am taking this one....

THOU THEE THY
YOU YOU YOUR

The ten commandments are in THOU THEE THY and the works of the LORD and this is how YOU is mastered and enslaved (YOU is created by GOD in genesis 1-29 and THOU is used by the LORD in genesis 2 to submit GOD's creation without actually doing wrong by GOD)

The new covenant is in YOU YOU YOURS is the original entitlement created by GOD

Any questions? This is what the ENTIRE BIBLE IS ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many times does a person have to say that before people HEAR?

BradC · Jul 17, 2014

JaumeJ said:

You are not being honest because you blow off much of the NT epistles that were given for the church and body of Christ. You want what the gospels say and only except what comes from the disciples that walked with Jesus. You don't have too much to say about Peter's epistles and the instructions that he gave from the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead. Peter never mentions the Sabbath or the keeping of the law, I wonder why that is, because there was always new believers coming into the church through his preaching and teaching. Peter did have a problem with being influenced by the circumcision and got rebuke for it, but let's not talk about that. Anyone that believes that Christ was raised from the dead and through Him faith has come, does not need to keep the Sabbath, and please don't accuse me of teaching others to break the commandments.

JaumeJ · Jul 17, 2014

Are you saying I must ignore the Example and teaching of the Master? Paul does not teach such. Please stop converting people's sharing of understanding into not-so-veiled accusations and other innuendo.

john832 · Jul 17, 2014

BradC said:

Let's have the conversation about, 'thou shalt not commit adultery' and in keeping the law of this commandment. You first, seeing how you believe that you must keep that commandment in the flesh according to the law, but you want to leave off the condemnation part when it has been violated. You want grace for that when you fail unless you be condemned. The other thing is that every commandment including this one when violated makes you a transgressor of the whole law, so how do you rectify that? If you commit adultery you have also violated the law that says, 'thou shalt not steal or kill' or 'covet thy neighbor's house'. If you live by the law you have to live by the whole law because the law can not be divided or separated into what you want to keep and what you do not have to keep. Okay, your turn and please stay coherent.

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Can you rephrase that in a way that makes sense?

Hoffco · Jul 17, 2014

Hoffco said:

Being holy is a very simple things; I just read the WORD and do it. I can not think of any thing in life that is sinful for me to do. In and of itself, all things are lawful for me to do; IF, I follow God's word in doing it, how to do it, when to do it, or never to do it, or how much of it, to do. I just master the law book and I follow it, I am holy. I do it with my heart soul mind and power. Any thing is lawful, if done in God's way.! Love to all, Hoffco

RedTent · Jul 17, 2014

BradC said:

How is it that when Christ was raised from the dead, that faith came then? Abraham lived thousands of years before that and He had faith. And when Christ arose did Christ say "don't need to keep the Sabbath"? I didn't read that in scripture.

Dan_473 · Jul 17, 2014

john832 said:

Thanks for the second reply! What I'm hearing is it's ok to do on the sabbath if it's good... Suppose no storm is coming? Grace and peace!

john832 · Jul 17, 2014

Dan_473 said:

Could you do it another day? If so...

Exo 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.

Christ was showing in the example that an emergency (ox in the ditch) that it is right and good to help. We do have to be careful that everything we desire to do doesn't become an ox in the ditch...

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

pleasure:

H2656
חפץ
chêphets
khay'-fets
From H2654; pleasure; hence (abstractly) desire; concretely a valuable thing; hence (by extension) a matter (as something in mind): - acceptable, delight (-some), desire, things desired, matter, pleasant (-ure), purpose, willingly.

John Gill has this...

from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; that is, if thou turnest away, or dost abstain from doing thine own servile work, the business of thy calling; which may be agreeable for the sake of the profit of it; or from recreations and amusements, which may be lawfully indulged on another day:

Some seem to stumble on the fact that observing the Sabbath (the how to's) are spiritually discerned.

JaumeJ · Jul 17, 2014

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to john832 again.

Times like these make me wonder what people are actually reading........thanks for the time and effort you always afford...

BradC · Jul 17, 2014

john832 said:

You have to put your thinking cap on.

p_rehbein · Jul 17, 2014

This is what Jesus said:

Matthew 19:17) Matthew 19:17) 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So, are these not the commandments Jesus told us to keep?

p_rehbein · Jul 17, 2014

Additional thought:

Matthew 19:21) Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Why would Jesus tell someone this IF none of us are actually going to BE in heaven? Did Jesus lie to this young man?

JaumeJ · Jul 17, 2014

This is what Jesus said:

Mat 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He is the Master. As yet, heaven and earth have not passed away. It would be easier for them to pass away than for the law to be changed.

p_rehbein · Jul 17, 2014

Yes, Brother He DID FULFILL the Law and the Prophets............and then He gave us the Commandments we are to obey......or did He lie? I'm going with what He said...........

Karraster · Jul 17, 2014

The Torah was never given as an equation to being saved. It was intended to show man how to live, how to walk with a Big God, the Creator of all things and source of all life and breath. The Word says in the beginning ... [SUP]3 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. , the Hebrew states that a different way, more like Let the Light shine.

Living out Torah is letting that light shine in you for others to see. It is the way to find peace in a troubled world to follow Messiah and replicate what He did. It is His yoke, which means the teacher's interpretation of scripture and how he lives and teaches. That's why He said His yoke was easy and light, He rebukes all the man made laws and restores us back to how God intended us to live. God knows we are clay and we don't always do what is right, He's not a bit surprised. He desires us to desire Him, and seek the Light.

john832 · Jul 17, 2014

p_rehbein said:

Well, that is good but it leaves out...

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Ok to have something else ahead of God in our lives?

Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

OK to bow down to statues, pictures, trinkets etc.?

Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

OK to use God's name in vile and filthy ways? To profane the holy name of God?

I'll even leave the fourth one out since there are multiple threads on it.

Karraster · Jul 17, 2014

Messiah was a law keeper. Have you ever wondered why He cried out "Who touched me?" when the woman with an issue of blood for 12 years pushed through the crowd to touch His garment? Power has gone from me, who touched me..He said. He wanted it to be known that she touched Him. Where was He going? Glad you asked..He was going to see a dead girl. It was forbidden to touch dead people, but if you were already unclean.....look for function and not form when you read the Word, it's the Hebrew way and it will open up scripture every time it's tried.

p_rehbein · Jul 17, 2014

So, then Jesus did lie to this young man.............well, now I know......

john832 · Jul 17, 2014

p_rehbein said:

Well, what about the first four? Yes or no?

JaumeJ · Jul 17, 2014

Is this the interpretation of what He taught? Paul teaches not to follow any other Gospel than that of Yeshua. I do not see all being fulfilled until the last trump, for the law and the prophets extend to that moment, and beyond.

Also, when Jesus, Yeshua, said to obey the commandments, He is only quoted having stipulated some of the commandments. He said to obey the commandments listing some of them, or do you believe the others not mentioned are to be overlooked? I do not believe this is the case.

There is no harm in obeying the will of God when we know what it is, from His Word. I am saved by grace, but I will always choose to obey the commandments and laws on how one must conduct himself. As our brother, John, indicates, what is wrong with the law to return your enemies lost article, or not to lend out money to usury to a brother, not to sow two kinds of seed in the same field, to return any lost animal found to its owner, and so on? I do not need to read these to do them, I have always practiced such, but there is so much wisdom, teaching and prophecy in Yahweh¡s Word, it is a terrible vacuum in any believer's walk to overlook the law given to Moses. Now, if one wishes to be ridiculous, he may overlook the ammendments made by Yeshua and His Example and say one who knows Yeshua and follows the law must obey all 600+ laws, for we know about the modifications made by Yeshua on food and to include mercy in the punitive and death laws.

The only problem with the law is people first, do not read and study the law, second what little most think they know is totally misconceived.

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