BEWARE the Lawkeepers

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OK, please explain what this means...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Look at the verses after that for the whole story.

That young man saw that he lacked in spite of keeping the law.

Jesus said if you want to be perfect (which we have when we believe on Jesus, Heb 10:14) forsake your possessions (that young man had great possession of self-righteousness through works of the law) and follow Christ.

BTW, good night all. it's late night here in Australia.
 
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Uh, let's see, would that be a sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Does it transgress the Law?

Yep, it is sin.
You did the easy part by replying with a resounding yes (which is interesting), but now do the hard part and explain the following passage and how it applies to our lives today...

Do you not know, brethren—for I am speaking to men who are acquainted with the Law (that would be you and JaumeJ)—that legal claims have power over a person only for as long as he is alive?
2 For [instance] a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is loosed and discharged from the law concerning her husband.
3 Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to another man, she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brethren, you have undergone death as to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that now you may belong to Another, to Him Who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 When we were living in the flesh (mere physical lives), the sinful passions that were awakened and aroused up by the Law were constantly operating in our natural powers (in our bodily organs, in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh), so that we bore fruit for death.
6 But now we are discharged from the Law and have terminated all intercourse with it, having died to what once restrained and held us captive. So now we serve not under [obedience to] the old code of written regulations, but [under obedience to the promptings] of the Spirit in newness [of life].

Does this passage mean that we are dead to the law by the body of Christ and are free to be married to another, the resurrected Christ?

If we have been discharged from being married to the law through death, we have no more intercourse with the law. We are dead to what once restrained and held us captive (the old sin nature). When Christ crucified sin He broke the curse that sin had upon us through the law.

23 Now before the faith came, we were perpetually guarded under the Law, kept in custody in preparation for the faith that was destined to be revealed (unveiled, disclosed),

24 So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
25 But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).
26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.

18 But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to (under) the Law.

The law can make no legal claim over us because we are under grace. To put ourselves under the law when we have been declared righteous by faith without the law is to go back into bondage from which Christ has set us free. Those who try and mingle grace with keeping the law do not reckon themselves to be dead to sin and they need and look to the law to keep themselves in right standing with God and that would include keeping the Sabbath which was part of the law. To say that the law of the Sabbath is not part of the law is denying the law. We have been declared righteous without the law and have been married to another, Christ. The law has been made inoperative and we have been discharged from it. The purpose for which the law served is no longer needed because faith has come in the person of Christ having crucified sin and our sins. We are people who have the Spirit who guides us into all truth and the cross to remind us that our old sin nature is dead and that we have been crucified with Christ through His death, burial and resurrection. Christ did not rise from the dead declaring the law.




 

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I came under conviction and believed upon the Lord when I was 19 years old. Up to that point in time there were issues in my life that concerned me but I never knew just how wicked and deceitful the human heart was until after I got saved. The more light that God shed on my heart the more I became convicted of the wickedness of my heart. When we get saved God never eradicates the heart or the sin nature within. We have it and God deals with it through the cross, through the life of the Spirit and through the light of His word. Keeping the law has absolutely nothing to do with how God works in our life. I have a wicked heart and I am never going to be able to change that by keeping the law. I can not restrain my heart by keeping the law and if I try I only strengthen sin in me. There is only one solution for a wicked heart and it is the cross and being filled with the Spirit. The heart is so deceitful and desperately wicked that we can't even know just how wicked it really is.

The heart is capable of every conceivable wickedness and God knows it. Keeping the law has no effect upon a wicked heart no matter how hard you try to keep it or any of the commandments. Trying to keep the law to compensate for a wicked heart that wanders into sin operates the opposite of what we are striving for. It strengthens sin instead of keeps us from it. Those who strive after the law do it to keep themselves from sin and it has the opposite effect. When sin abounds God does not instruct us through the Spirit to do a better job at keeping the law, He makes grace abound that much more. He does not want us to try harder, he wants us to give up striving after the law or being better and come to Him so that we can find rest from our sin.

Everyone tells us to repent, repent, repent from sin and Christ says come to me all you who are heavy ladened with sin and I will give you rest for your soul. God knows that we have a problem with sin because of our wicked heart and He makes grace abound toward us that we would come to Him. Isn't it better when we are having problems with sin to come to Him instead of going to the law? I think it pleases Him so much when we come to Him with our weaknesses and troubles with sin that He is glorified when we do so. He is not interested with us going to the law but to come to Him and to His throne to obtain mercy and find grace to help in the time of need.

Please, those of you who would come back and respond to this post with the law, don't ruin it for those who humble themselves before the mighty hand of God to receive grace. Let them grow in grace and knowledge of knowing the God of all grace and the Father of all mercies. Let people find grace and have Christ as their head. Let them have a relationship with Christ through grace and truth and not the law. Let them take up a cross so that they can say for them to live is Christ and by faith in the Son who died for them, for Christ is the end of the law to everyone that believes.
Many awesome thoughts in here Brad and much of it agree with!

But I did just want to say for the record, that there are many in here who acknowledge the need for, and receive humbly that grace you mentioned. Obedience to the Law doesn't affect or negate that in any way. (Again for most of us law-keepers.)

There is room for both in its proper order. There are many here who don't understand, or just plain don't believe that we can have that balance, but we can, and it has been a tremendous blessing to me. Just as much as any blessing in any other Christian's life. (I'm not elevating myself in any way, mind you. Just saying we're on equal terms.) So for those who don't understand or believe, that is just fine. They are still my brothers and sisters. But there will always be those folks newer to the law/sabbath debate who will peruse theses threads, and I want to make sure that they know that balance is necessary and available.
 

john832

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Look at the verses after that for the whole story.

That young man saw that he lacked in spite of keeping the law.

Jesus said if you want to be perfect (which we have when we believe on Jesus, Heb 10:14) forsake your possessions (that young man had great possession of self-righteousness through works of the law) and follow Christ.

BTW, good night all. it's late night here in Australia.
Oh, OK, now I understand, when Jesus Christ said KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS, He really meant DON'T keep the Commandments?
 

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Why do people who claim to know the Lord want to abolish the law? Why do they call being obedient works? The law is not burdensome to anyone with faith. Read all of the Word, especially about faith and obedience. Willful disobedience is the same as witchcraft to the Father; this is why He sent His Only Begotten Son to be our Rabbi and First Example. If you know Yeshua, you know what the law teaches, and you will learn wisdom from the Law, not just a how-to doctrine all warm and fuzzy.
 
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I must apologize again, I was wrong on the schoolmaster thing. I used the English translation which Karraster brought up so I looked it up. I was wrong and you were right.

Praise God it is good to find truth.

Thank you for your patience. blessings.
don't ever be sorry, It shows you have an open mind, which is refreshing in here. If we can;t be humble like this, we can not learn anything..
 
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But doing our best to keep the law has a lot to do with God working in your life. By your own admission, when God came into your heart you let God lead you to the law. The more God led you and took over your heart the more you accepted the law as you lived your life and made it a part of your life.

Christ in our life IS the law in our life. It is part and partial of God, it is freedom, it is abundance, it is love. It is the HS made manifest. Repentance is part of freeing us from the bondage of sin.

If your trying to do your best, you are doing it of your own power.

Your best is not good enough. If you want Gods help. You have to give ALL control to him. If we try to take control ourselves, we always screw up (I had to learn this the hard way)
 

john832

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You did the easy part by replying with a resounding yes (which is interesting), but now do the hard part and explain the following passage and how it applies to our lives today...

Do you not know, brethren—for I am speaking to men who are acquainted with the Law (that would be you and JaumeJ)—that legal claims have power over a person only for as long as he is alive?
2 For [instance] a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is loosed and discharged from the law concerning her husband.
3 Accordingly, she will be held an adulteress if she unites herself to another man while her husband lives. But if her husband dies, the marriage law no longer is binding on her [she is free from that law]; and if she unites herself to another man, she is not an adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brethren, you have undergone death as to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that now you may belong to Another, to Him Who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 When we were living in the flesh (mere physical lives), the sinful passions that were awakened and aroused up by the Law were constantly operating in our natural powers (in our bodily organs, in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh), so that we bore fruit for death.
6 But now we are discharged from the Law and have terminated all intercourse with it, having died to what once restrained and held us captive. So now we serve not under [obedience to] the old code of written regulations, but [under obedience to the promptings] of the Spirit in newness [of life].

Does this passage mean that we are dead to the law by the body of Christ and are free to be married to another, the resurrected Christ?
Well the very first verse says the Law has dominion over a man as long as he lives. Then it says that a woman married to a man is not free to marry or consort with another man. Now if that man dies, she is free to marry another.

Do you think the symbolism escapes me here?

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Now until we put the old man to death...

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

We are dead to sin through the process of death (repentance from dead works), burial (baptism in the watery grave) and the resurrection (coming up out of the water a new man walking in the newness of life). This passage and chapter 7 say nothing about the Law being dead, it says WE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW. We repent of breaking the Law and are no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the Law...

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So, Christ freed us from the law of sin and death. We are no longer under the death penalty. What did He do? Condemned sin, not the Law.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It says the righteousness of WHAT? THE LAW!

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

To be carnally minded is as verse 7 says, to be the enemy of God and hostile to His Law and not subject to it.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Now what was it Paul said about the Law?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Now read the next verse in chapter 7...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The Law defines sin and conversely defines righteousness.


[/B][/FONT]If we have been discharged from being married to the law through death, we have no more intercourse with the law. We are dead to what once restrained and held us captive (the old sin nature). When Christ crucified sin He broke the curse that sin had upon us through the law.


Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Freed from the former association. She is then bound by a new Law, a spiritual Law? Or do you suppose that Christ does not expect His wife to obey the seventh Commandment and be faithful to Him? There is a woman named like this...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

We were, but are now washed through baptism and Christ's sacrifice.

23 Now before the faith came, we were perpetually guarded under the Law, kept in custody in preparation for the faith that was destined to be revealed (unveiled, disclosed),
24 So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
25 But now that the faith has come, we are no longer under a trainer (the guardian of our childhood).
26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.

18 But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to (under) the Law.

The law can make no legal claim over us because we are under grace. To put ourselves under the law when we have been declared righteous by faith without the law is to go back into bondage from which Christ has set us free. Those who try and mingle grace with keeping the law do not reckon themselves to be dead to sin and they need and look to the law to keep themselves in right standing with God and that would include keeping the Sabbath which was part of the law. To say that the law of the Sabbath is not part of the law is denying the law. We have been declared righteous without the law and have been married to another, Christ. The law has been made inoperative and we have been discharged from it. The purpose for which the law served is no longer needed because faith has come in the person of Christ having crucified sin and our sins. We are people who have the Spirit who guides us into all truth and the cross to remind us that our old sin nature is dead and that we have been crucified with Christ through His death, burial and resurrection. Christ did not rise from the dead declaring the law.




The Schoolmaster was the Law of sacrifices...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

And if you think the Law is in operable on you, you need to read a little more...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Sin is the transgression of the Law and the result of sin is death.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

It says that those who do His Commandments receive eternal life, not those who do AWAY with them.
 
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It is difficult with the KJV translating the two different laws as the same word
But the spirit will clarify if we read the Bible
each time we should pray
Open my eyes that I may see wonderful things out of your Torah (all that the prophets have spoken)
 

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Why do people who claim to know the Lord want to abolish the law? Why do they call being obedient works? The law is not burdensome to anyone with faith. Read all of the Word, especially about faith and obedience. Willful disobedience is the same as witchcraft to the Father; this is why He sent His Only Begotten Son to be our Rabbi and First Example. If you know Yeshua, you know what the law teaches, and you will learn wisdom from the Law, not just a how-to doctrine all warm and fuzzy.
Gotta wonder how their kids turn out. You know, being raised without rules.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Gotta wonder how their kids turn out. You know, being raised without rules.
Yeah I guess ya do.

of course. rules always cause kids to break them. (maybe you were the perfect kid?

Whats awesome is when a kid trusts you so much, he does not even think of sinning against you, these kids do not need rules.
 

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Is this a trick question?

Mat 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
No trick! I want to know how you (or others) think... How this works in practice... So, in the passage, Jesus says others are doing this... Is he saying it's OK, or just that they are already doing it? Is every good activity allowable on the sabbath? Grace and peace!
 

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Yeah I guess ya do.

of course. rules always cause kids to break them. (maybe you were the perfect kid?

Whats awesome is when a kid trusts you so much, he does not even think of sinning against you, these kids do not need rules.
So if we do away with the rules, they don't break them.
 
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Why do people who claim to know the Lord want to abolish the law? Why do they call being obedient works? The law is not burdensome to anyone with faith. Read all of the Word, especially about faith and obedience. Willful disobedience is the same as witchcraft to the Father; this is why He sent His Only Begotten Son to be our Rabbi and First Example. If you know Yeshua, you know what the law teaches, and you will learn wisdom from the Law, not just a how-to doctrine all warm and fuzzy.
How you have expressed yourself in this post tells me so much as to how you treat every word of God including doctrine. The word of God, which is not the same as you refer to as the law, is eternal and the law is not. You consider the law as a separate and sanctified part of God's word and it is not. The law under Moses is non-functional and obsolete and you refuse to reckon with that. We have the Spirit of God, the HOLY SPIRIT, which is more qualified to deal with us and impart the holiness of God then the law could ever do. The Spirit has made the law inoperative by virtue of the glory it reveals through Christ.

You separate the curse of the law from the law so that you can keep the law as you see fit for yourself and call that pleasing God. You separate yourself from the body of Christ when you do that for those who are members of Christ's body are dead to the law. The law of the Spirit of life sets them free from the law of sin and death, something the law could not do. So you want to keep the law that has no power over sin or death. That's really brilliant and very astute of you. The believer keeps from fulfilling the lust of the flesh by walking in the Spirit and not by keeping the letter of the law.

You love to add faith to keeping the law. You want us to believe that you keep the law by faith so that you can feel justified in keeping the Sabbath and whatever else you want to keep. You are not justified in keeping the Sabbath and neither am I, nor are we justified in keeping any of the law by saying that it pleases God to do so. Red Tent is not right about the law either. Try and convince a young believer to keep the law of commandments by faith and when they fail miserable then tell them that they need to receive grace so they can get up and try again. That is not what God has provided or prescribed the NT believer in the church and body of Christ. The NT believer is to walk by faith in the promises of God through the Spirit.

As NT believer's we live by every word of promise that comes from the mouth of God and that is how we escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. The apostle Peter knew that and never mentioned the law or the Sabbath one time in his two epistles of instructions to Jewish Christians for the most part. Peter never told believers to desire the law but rather to desire the sincere milk of the word.
 
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So if we do away with the rules, they don't break them.
no, if they love and trust you, they do not need them.

I know. you do not understand the difference.
 

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Read the teachings of our Savior, follow His example, understand the difference of law without grace and law with grace, for where there is punishment or death dictated by the law, our Savior teaches us we have mercy and are free to act in gtood conscience in the sight of the Father.

You may not have received a reply because we have all been asked the same questions time and time again, leading me to believe some are not certain of how the law functions with grace. Grace has destroyed the curse of the law, death.......
Thanks for the input! When you say read, follow, understand... Do you mean that I should read the bible and decide for myself what to do to keep the sabbath... It's an individual thing? Blessings to you!
 

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As NT believer's we live by every word of promise that comes from the mouth of God and that is how we escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.
That is all except these...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ condemned those who made the Law of God of no effect by tradition...

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And of course this...

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

As far as promises in the N.T., how about this one...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this...

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

And this...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Would we be having this discussion about "Thou shalt not commit adultery"? Of course not.
 
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That is all except these...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ condemned those who made the Law of God of no effect by tradition...

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And of course this...

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

As far as promises in the N.T., how about this one...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

And this...

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

And this...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Would we be having this discussion about "Thou shalt not commit adultery"? Of course not.
Let's have the conversation about, 'thou shalt not commit adultery' and in keeping the law of this commandment. You first, seeing how you believe that you must keep that commandment in the flesh according to the law, but you want to leave off the condemnation part when it has been violated. You want grace for that when you fail unless you be condemned. The other thing is that every commandment including this one when violated makes you a transgressor of the whole law, so how do you rectify that? If you commit adultery you have also violated the law that says, 'thou shalt not steal or kill' or 'covet thy neighbor's house'. If you live by the law you have to live by the whole law because the law can not be divided or separated into what you want to keep and what you do not have to keep. Okay, your turn and please stay coherent.
 

JaumeJ

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Anyone who knows Yeshua will eventually understand if he follows the Good Shepherd and reads His gospel with the Holy Spirit imparting what needs be understood. Yeshua did not leave us alone.

Thanks for the input! When you say read, follow, understand... Do you mean that I should read the bible and decide for myself what to do to keep the sabbath... It's an individual thing? Blessings to you!