Immigration a big issue.

[Billyd]

Foreign gang members, on contract for the cartels, are crossing the border to set up street gangs to deal their drugs, perform their hits, and branch out into robbery, kidnapping, extortion, prostitution, etc... and you've no problem using a heavily indebted government to tax recession Americans to help them expand their criminal networks in the U.S. and fund these activities.

Jesus said to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. You're being the opposite: naive and indirectly helping criminal organizations to victimize your neighbors in violation to help your neighbors who will be the ones victimized by them.

Instead of helping cartels expand their criminal activities into the U.S., you should become a missionary. Then your walk will match your talk instead of your talk resulting in very undesirable consequences for your neighbors and revealing that you're basically a lazy hypocrite.

Sure, it's easy to give away other people's money and deny their children what they need to help foreign gang bangers expand criminal networks into the U.S. while you hypocritically lay on the couch and watch television but that's not helping anyone and Jesus doesn't cosign ignorant, delusional, criminal irresponsibility.

You're part of the problem, that's all.

I help support over 100 missionaries in the area. I'm no physically able to travel anymore, or I would be one there. Thank you for your support of all the missionaries in the field of Central and South America.

If the Churches of America, and the rest of the world would get up off their backsides, and do their job, our government wouldn't be doing our job. Instead they sit back and complain about the government take over. I have been blessed with much more than my family needs to live comfortably on. I can buy a new phone, tablet or PC, or a fancy TV every year, buy a new boat, trade in one of my running cars on a new one every three years, or live in a house that's the envy of my neighbors, but I choose to use my blessings to help those in need. I find every opportunity possible to share the Gospel with others, and help them find and use the blessings that God has in store for them. I'm a staunch advocate of less government. Unless the Church does its job, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

Meanwhile we have a mission field of 150,000 children on our doorsteps. Are we going to pass up the opportunity that God has given us.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You shouldn't believe everything they put on youtube.

There is a lot of false propaganda put on that site, and half truths.
You also can not judge everybody for the acts of a few. That is wrong to do, these kids are not happy when they get here. They are scared out of their mind, and are crying and begging not to be sent back. And the parents that they have interviewed also are begging that they not be sent back to that persecution going on down there.

And you are blaming immigrants for gang issue's in our country. It is not immigrants that started this issue, Hispanic gangs came after we all ready had established gangs in this country, yes it may have gotten worse since their incersian.

But once again you can not blame them all, for what some do. Elsewise you must blame all Caucasian for the biker gangs and mafia, blame all African-Americans for the gangs that started up in the neighborhoods, and so on...

This is not proper, nor is it right to place everybody of a race or religion as guilty for the acts of some.

Yes I know the national debt has grown to a seriously bad state, but that blame can be put on all the past few presidents, not just the current one.


And sorry but I do not live in denial, I live in love and compassion like our Lord told us to. He said if some comes asking for help you are not to cast them away, but help them. He evens says love and do good toward enemies, not ignore and have hatred toward them.

 

[Atwood]

Originally Posted by kennethcadwell

The gang violence is so bad down there that it makes the worse gang violence we have here in America look like child's play.
All the kids are forced to join gangs, or be beaten or killed if refuse.

Where is the proof of this?

You should get strong evidence by watching the news on Univision, if you can understand it. "All" is a hyperbole by Kenneth. But the brutality south of the border from what I have detected, is incredible. IMHO we live in a fool's paradise in the USA now. We are witnessing the destruction of a great civilization.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I didn't. I gave you a host of information including a lot of substantiated data from reputable news outlets and you chose to myopically focus on a single you tube video (which is a news report btw) and make an ignorant false statement.

That's apparently your MO. I just told you I witnessed it for decades but that means nothing either to you. You have your best thinking to guide you instead of the facts. You have a pink cloud of feel goodness in which you tax Americans to expand the activities of cartels to injure your neighbors and your country.

I can blame illegal aliens for criminally entering our country and engaging in serious criminal behavior on behalf of street gangs and criminal organizations once here because that's what's happening and what has been happening for a long time now causing serious problems across the board in the southern portion of the U.S.. I can also blame you for codependently enabling it because you're guilty of that.

If you want to live on a pink cloud of denial and culpability justifying making what you helped create much worse then that doesn't speak well of you as a person. Tagging Jesus's name to it is even worse.

You've not shown a shred of compassion and love for the victims you indirectly created by your irresponsible actions. In your "theology," it's perfectly OK to help foreigners with bad intent murder, assault, rob, prostitute, and addict Americans.

That's not love and that's not compassion. That's negligence.

 

[Atwood]

I live in love and compassion like our Lord told us to.

"Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; A stranger, and not thine own lips."

And he spake also this parable unto certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and set all others at nought: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get. But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner. I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Once again though you can not put the blame on all immigrants coming here, just because what a few of them have done. I know a lot of immigrants that have come here both legal and illegally and they are fine upstanding people in our country now. They do not belong to a gang, or run drugs.

Yes they maybe news reports, but even our media is corrupted and told what they can and cannot say on their news casts.
Most news stations, if not all on TV are very bias, so like I said be careful what you listen to when it comes to media.

Plus our Lord says not to let man's philosophies, traditions, or customs override His ways.

Man's philosophy is to send them back home and not help, our Lord's is to help.

 

[Atwood]

I help support over 100 missionaries in the area. I'm no physically able to travel anymore, or I would be one there. Thank you for your support of all the missionaries in the field of Central and South America.

I saw an estimate that Guatemala had the same proportion of evangelical Christians that the USA has. The USA is a great missionary field itself.

If the Churches of America, and the rest of the world would get up off their backsides, and do their job, our government wouldn't be doing our job.

The Lord has not given Christians ownership of the problems of the world, nor the task of providing for the world's poor -- the Church's poor, yes. We are to do good to the unsaved in a physical manner as the opportunity presents itself. But the poor we will always have with us. The physical welfare of the world is not the job of the Church.

I would be careful of being an accuser of the brethren. Of course in many ways we all stumble.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I am not praising myself Atwood, I was making a point on how we are to live by what our Lord said.

"Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; A stranger, and not thine own lips."

And he spake also this parable unto certain who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and set all others at nought: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get. But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner. I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

And it's going to get much worse in the years ahead. Check this out: http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/95841-u-s-national-debt-update.html#post1616303

There is no way the liberals can continue their tax/borrow and spend ideology in the economic environment that's coming. Illegal aliens are going to take it on the chin as they become a seriously marginalized group in the rioting and fighting over a shrinking pie that's about a decade away.

The national debt problem is going to completely dominate U.S. policy, the news outlets, etc... in about a decade.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (the federal research agency that informs the legislature) just released a report stating that in less than two decades, ALL federal revenue will be consumed by two entitlement non-welfare programs that Americans paid into (e.g. Medicare and Social Security) and one welfare program (e.g. Medicaid).

The 2014 Long-Term Budget Outlook - CBO

There will be no money left over to run the government, for any of the 82 other welfare programs that currently dominate the federal budget, the military, or any other government expense whatsoever including even paying the interest on the national debt which is soon to exceed the amount of all U.S. military spending. Try to imagine that. The annual interest payments on the U.S. national debt will in a few years exceed all annual U.S. military spending which is presently 36.6% of all military spending in the entire world!

Since most Americans now live off the government in what way or another, this is going to create political conflict not seen in our lifetimes. Illegal alien amnesty and welfare are going to be the last thing on the agenda and pushed to the back of the line as public employee unions, welfare recipients, social security recipients, etc... you name it battle for a shrinking piece of the pie in an era of soaring taxes.

We'll see what kind of "love" and "compassion" these people who negligently vote to spend other people's money in a Great Recession to expand cartel activities in the U.S. have when the bread is removed from the tables of the people in their own communities.

They can talk their nonsense now because it's not here yet. It's enroute. But when it gets here, then they're going to see the devastation in their communities and hear about it nightly on their televisions. Stay tuned.

You should get strong evidence by watching the news on Univision, if you can understand it. "All" is a hyperbole by Kenneth. But the brutality south of the border from what I have detected, is incredible. IMHO we live in a fool's paradise in the USA now. We are witnessing the destruction of a great civilization.

 

[secularhermit]

I saw an estimate that Guatemala had the same proportion of evangelical Christians that the USA has. The USA is a great missionary field itself.



The Lord has not given Christians ownership of the problems of the world, nor the task of providing for the world's poor -- the Church's poor, yes. We are to do good to the unsaved in a physical manner as the opportunity presents itself. But the poor we will always have with us. The physical welfare of the world is not the job of the Church.

I would be careful of being an accuser of the brethren. Of course in many ways we all stumble.

I saw it differently!

Mat 25:37 The righteous will then answer him, 'When, Lord, did we ever see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you a drink? Mat 25:38 When did we ever see you a stranger and welcome you in our homes, or naked and clothe you?
Mat 25:39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?'

These, addressed TO A CHURCH, is hard:

Rev 3:15 I know what you have done; I know that you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were either one or the other!
Rev 3:16 But because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth!
Rev 3:17 You say, 'I am rich and well off; I have all I need.' But you do not know how miserable and pitiful you are! You are poor, naked, and blind.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I traveled all over Mexico and Central America about ten years ago. Most of it is better than a lot of America's inner cities. Sure I saw kids at bus stops pull pistols and put them on people waiting for buses and rob them in some of the poorer areas in Central America but I didn't see that in Mexico and I went all over. Many areas of Mexico were actually nice prosperous places to live. The only people running illegally across our border are the worst of the worst from these countries and the codependence of our liberals is preventing these people from successfully fighting for better conditions for themselves in their own countries. That's the problem with codependence. It doesn't help the codependent or the focus of the codependence. It just takes everyone down.

I saw an estimate that Guatemala had the same proportion of evangelical Christians that the USA has. The USA is a great missionary field itself.



The Lord has not given Christians ownership of the problems of the world, nor the task of providing for the world's poor -- the Church's poor, yes. We are to do good to the unsaved in a physical manner as the opportunity presents itself. But the poor we will always have with us. The physical welfare of the world is not the job of the Church.

I would be careful of being an accuser of the brethren. Of course in many ways we all stumble.

 

[secularhermit]

I help support over 100 missionaries in the area. I'm no physically able to travel anymore, or I would be one there. Thank you for your support of all the missionaries in the field of Central and South America.

If the Churches of America, and the rest of the world would get up off their backsides, and do their job, our government wouldn't be doing our job. Instead they sit back and complain about the government take over. I have been blessed with much more than my family needs to live comfortably on. I can buy a new phone, tablet or PC, or a fancy TV every year, buy a new boat, trade in one of my running cars on a new one every three years, or live in a house that's the envy of my neighbors, but I choose to use my blessings to help those in need. I find every opportunity possible to share the Gospel with others, and help them find and use the blessings that God has in store for them. I'm a staunch advocate of less government. Unless the Church does its job, IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

Meanwhile we have a mission field of 150,000 children on our doorsteps. Are we going to pass up the opportunity that God has given us.

I would suggest do not sent missionaries to Venezuela (it´s too risky and the gov loves to receive bribes). Instead, consider LOCALS to get that good job done. I was reached by US missionaries in Venezuela, now I wish to spare them troubles with the poeple ruling (sorry, ruining! this country).

 

[kennethcadwell]

Exactly, we are to do good and help all who ask. Not just ones who belong to the church.

In the bible it says do good to even those who are your enemy, and by doing so you heap coals of fire on their head.

Romans 12:20
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, tax your neighbor to feed him; if he thirst, tax your neighbor to give him drink. Help him expand his criminal empire into your community to injure people and destroy the integrity of your community. Irresponsibly empty out the government coffers to accomplish it. For in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

*rolls eyes*

Where does it say you're commanded to help criminal organizations expand their operations to victimize your community? Where does it say to violate your civic responsibility and push your government so heavily into debt that it creates a national economic catastrophe to hand out money to the rest of the world? Where does it say to extrapolate verses intended for yourself to other people and use their government to force them to do what you want them to?

It doesn't. It says the opposite. You're wrongly applying scripture to what you're supposed to do to injure your neighbor. The only coals being heaped are the ones you're heaping on your progeny when the consequences of such foolish behavior finally come due.

So ignorant. So foolish.

Exactly, we are to do good and help all who ask. Not just ones who belong to the church.

In the bible it says do good to even those who are your enemy, and by doing so you heap coals of fire on their head.

Romans 12:20
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You focus to much on the negative, and not on love.

Like I said before, the bible says not to put man's philosophies, principles, customs, and standards before Him.

You can hate me or what I say all you want, but I quote the words of the Lord my God.

I do not like posting news casts, polls, or evidence proving history reports because that would put my focus on man's ways and not on God's.

Love and forgiveness.....

Therefore if thine enemy hunger, tax your neighbor to feed him; if he thirst, tax your neighbor to give him drink. Help him expand his criminal empire into your community to injure people and destroy the integrity of your community. Irresponsibly empty out the government coffers to accomplish it. For in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

*rolls eyes*

Where does it say you're commanded to help criminal organizations expand their operations to victimize your community? Where does it say to violate your civic responsibility and push your government so heavily into debt that it creates a national economic catastrophe to hand out money to the rest of the world? Where does it say to extrapolate verses intended for yourself to other people and use their government to force them to do what you want them to?

It doesn't. It says the opposite. You're wrongly applying scripture to what you're supposed to do to injure your neighbor. The only coals being heaped are the ones you're heaping on your progeny when the consequences of such foolish behavior finally come due.

So ignorant. So foolish.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

[video=youtube_share;Be53Hb-rb60]http://youtu.be/Be53Hb-rb60[/video]

Teenage cartel assassins working in cells on U.S. soil. All illegal aliens and the citizens anchors of illegal aliens. Vote for more of them to murder here or you aren't a true Christian the liberals say.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You focus too much on enabling criminality and not enough on loving the victims created and the victims you are creating through your negligence and codependence.

Like I said before, the Bible does not empower you to rob other people to enable criminality. You can hate me or what I say all you want, but I quote the words of the Lord my God.

I do not like living in denial, deception, and ignorance and I don't discard evidence revealing the truth to live on a pink cloud of feel good denial. I focus on God's ways of holiness, righteousness, and real love: not ignorance and feelings like yourself.

You focus to much on the negative, and not on love.

Like I said before, the bible says not to put man's philosophies, principles, customs, and standards before Him.

You can hate me or what I say all you want, but I quote the words of the Lord my God.

I do not like posting news casts, polls, or evidence proving history reports because that would put my focus on man's ways and not on God's.

Love and forgiveness.....

 

[kennethcadwell]

I do not live in denial, you assume to much. And you say you follow our Lord, but all I see you keep putting out is negativity, blaming all immigrants for the doing of some, and showing hatred toward all of them.

I do not deny all these bad things happen, and I believe in punishments to be issued out as long as it is not capital punishment.

Life and death decisions are to be left up to our Lord, they are not for us to make.

I don't condone bringing drugs or gang violence into our country, but I do not do as you do and say all of them are doing it.
That is ignorance to say they all.
I do care about the victims, but the families who have had some one taken from them in these gang violence or drug usages.
If they truly live how our Lord told them to love, they would forgive the one or ones who took their family members life away.

I stated this blog for the purpose to show how far one's that profess to be Christian do not love or show forgiveness like the should.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

What you see me doing is giving you information. I don't hate anyone. I'm acting responsibly unlike yourself. The reason why you're in denial is because you reject the information and act in a way that results in Americans dying and being victimized so you can feel good about yourself.

Truth is found in correlation. Blame is found in truth. I gave you the statistics already here: http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/95762-immigration-big-issue-2.html#post1614894

You ignored them to continue rambling nonsensically about how we have to enable criminality in order to be genuine Christians.

Tell me kennethcadwell, how many Americans have to die and be victimized unnecessarily as a result of enabling criminals to enter the U.S. and expand their criminal networks before we can all be "loving" and "compassionate" like you?

You say you don't condone the very criminality you work to further. But it's worse because you're robbing other people of their money to do it via a heavily indebted government.

All you have left is ad hominem. You don't have a leg to stand on here.

Being irresponsible does not equate to being loving. Being negligent does not equate to being compassionate. Being ignorant does not equate to being wise.

It's easy for you to tell the victims of foreign gang bangers they need to forgive those who you allowed in to victimize them and their family members after you forced them to pay for the victimization in taxes but how about you put away such childish assertions and begin to reason like a man for once exiting your denial so that the victimization doesn't happen in the first place.

Instead of enabling evil and calling it "loving" and "compassionate", how about preventing the evil from occurring to begin with here while ending the codependence that makes real reform impossible there.

That's the wise thing to do. That's what a man would do. I'm a man. You... all I hear is childish talk.

I do not live in denial, you assume to much. And you say you follow our Lord, but all I see you keep putting out is negativity, blaming all immigrants for the doing of some, and showing hatred toward all of them.

I do not deny all these bad things happen, and I believe in punishments to be issued out as long as it is not capital punishment.

Life and death decisions are to be left up to our Lord, they are not for us to make.

I don't condone bringing drugs or gang violence into our country, but I do not do as you do and say all of them are doing it.
That is ignorance to say they all.
I do care about the victims, but the families who have had some one taken from them in these gang violence or drug usages.
If they truly live how our Lord told them to love, they would forgive the one or ones who took their family members life away.

I stated this blog for the purpose to show how far one's that profess to be Christian do not love or show forgiveness like the should.

 

[Atwood]

Life and death decisions are to be left up to our Lord, they are not for us to make.

Death decisions have been mandated to man; they are ours to make. Apparently the reason why man may judge & execute man is that God made man in His image. So to that extent not only may man "play God," man must perform that function. You may note that judges in the OT were called "gods."

Genesis 9:

"And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

Similarly Rom 13 indicates that the government authorities are the ministers of God in using the sword.