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The revelation of Christ to John could very well include the type i.e. Nero to the Israelites for the things (or the lawless one) to come. Just keeping an open mind.... 
If John wanted to talk smack about Nero, he could have just called fire down on him. As it stands though, John knew better and Jesus had a much more important plan for John. Plus it seems John was moreso based around Asia Minor. Paul and Peter were the main Apostles taking on the Romans.
Where in the bible does it state we can call fire down on people? I don't where you come up with this stuff? If John wanted to talk about Nero, if and when Nero was still in power, he would have used a symbolic way to identify him, in so that the Romans wouldn't find John's letter as a threat and thus destroy it. I gave you 3 solid cases in support for Nero. What have you given me? nothing but mere biased opinion.
Do you really think Satan's objective is have world power? Satan has come to kill, steal, and destroy, obtaining world power is a secondary objective at best IMO. He just wants to take as many people to hell with him as he possibly can. Beside don't you think Satan already knows Christ won the battle at the cross and he can not prevail against us, the Church?
John wouldn't use code because then you accuse John of being a liar.
As I have all ready told ye, Nero was all ready dead when John was on Patmos anyhow lol. What have ye besides your opinions of theories? I give you my opinion based on historical theories of the writings about such figures. Perhaps they are liars. Therefore let us look at John's own writings. I find John to tell the truth. If he was suppose to warn ye about Nero he would of warned you about Nero, but alas, he did no such thing. Instead he told you exactly what it was revealed to him about Jesus and the Second Coming.
As for John calling down fire on Nero, he could have done that if he wished to, but I think if you investigate the Gospels you'll see that John may have learned earlier in his life that there were bigger and better things at hand and so he followed after Jesus.
As I have all ready told ye, Nero was all ready dead when John was on Patmos anyhow lol. What have ye besides your opinions of theories? I give you my opinion based on historical theories of the writings about such figures. Perhaps they are liars. Therefore let us look at John's own writings. I find John to tell the truth. If he was suppose to warn ye about Nero he would of warned you about Nero, but alas, he did no such thing. Instead he told you exactly what it was revealed to him about Jesus and the Second Coming.
As for John calling down fire on Nero, he could have done that if he wished to, but I think if you investigate the Gospels you'll see that John may have learned earlier in his life that there were bigger and better things at hand and so he followed after Jesus.
How does encoding Nero name make John a lair?
We do not know exactly when John was imprisoned on Patmos. There are some indications from other authors that John was imprisoned during Nero's reign. Actually, we are not even sure John was imprisoned, for in verse 9 in chapter 1 states the reason for John being there, "for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." If John was there to spread the Gospel, would he more likely have been a middle aged man, or a man of 90+?
statement from Clement of Alexandria , "When after the death of the tyrant he removed from the island of Patmos to Ephesus, he used to journey by request to the neighboring districts of Gentiles, in some places to appoint bishops, in others to regulate whole churches..."
The question is who is more deserving of the name "the tyrant"? Hands down it is Nero. Apollonius of Tyana directly says that Nero was called a tyrant. We have more evidence of Nero persecuting Christians then Domitian.
Clement also makes a statement that the teachings of the apostles were completed before 70AD.
We do not know exactly when John was imprisoned on Patmos. There are some indications from other authors that John was imprisoned during Nero's reign. Actually, we are not even sure John was imprisoned, for in verse 9 in chapter 1 states the reason for John being there, "for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." If John was there to spread the Gospel, would he more likely have been a middle aged man, or a man of 90+?
statement from Clement of Alexandria , "When after the death of the tyrant he removed from the island of Patmos to Ephesus, he used to journey by request to the neighboring districts of Gentiles, in some places to appoint bishops, in others to regulate whole churches..."
The question is who is more deserving of the name "the tyrant"? Hands down it is Nero. Apollonius of Tyana directly says that Nero was called a tyrant. We have more evidence of Nero persecuting Christians then Domitian.
Clement also makes a statement that the teachings of the apostles were completed before 70AD.
I.) The Syriac History of John, the Son of Zebedee makes reference to John’s banishment under Nero, who reigned from 54 to 68 AD. It states:
“After these things, when the Gospel was increasing by the hands of the Apostles, Nero, the unclean and impure and wicked king, heard all that had happened at Ephesus. And he sent and took all that the procurator had and imprisoned him; and laid hold of St. John and drove him into exile; and passed sentence on the city that it should be laid waste.”
“After these things, when the Gospel was increasing by the hands of the Apostles, Nero, the unclean and impure and wicked king, heard all that had happened at Ephesus. And he sent and took all that the procurator had and imprisoned him; and laid hold of St. John and drove him into exile; and passed sentence on the city that it should be laid waste.”
In his work Against Jovinianum (1:26), Jerome states,
“But if thou art near to Italy, thou hast Rome, where we also have an authority close at hand. What an happy Church is that, on which the Apostles poured out all their doctrine, with their blood: where Peter had a like Passion with the Lord; where Paul bath for his crown the same death with John; where the Apostle John was plunged into boiling oil, and suffered nothing, and was afterwards banished to an island.”
).It is almost universally accepted that Peter and Paul were murdered by Nero. Jerome places John’s banishment in the same time period (as do many other church fathers).
“But if thou art near to Italy, thou hast Rome, where we also have an authority close at hand. What an happy Church is that, on which the Apostles poured out all their doctrine, with their blood: where Peter had a like Passion with the Lord; where Paul bath for his crown the same death with John; where the Apostle John was plunged into boiling oil, and suffered nothing, and was afterwards banished to an island.”
).It is almost universally accepted that Peter and Paul were murdered by Nero. Jerome places John’s banishment in the same time period (as do many other church fathers).
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2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Timothy 2:17-18 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Hebrews 3:7-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: Today, if you hear His voice,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, on the day of testing in the wilderness,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] where your fathers tested Me, tried ⌊Me⌋, and saw My works
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for 40 years. Therefore I was provoked with that generation and said, “They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not known My ways.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So I swore in My anger, “They will not enter My rest.”
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Watch out, brothers, so that there won’t be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart that departs from the living God.
2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 3:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Timothy 2:17-18 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Hebrews 3:7-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: Today, if you hear His voice,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, on the day of testing in the wilderness,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] where your fathers tested Me, tried ⌊Me⌋, and saw My works
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for 40 years. Therefore I was provoked with that generation and said, “They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not known My ways.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So I swore in My anger, “They will not enter My rest.”
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Watch out, brothers, so that there won’t be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart that departs from the living God.
2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
I have personally noticed over the past couple of Decades that more and more people who Claim to be Christians, doubt that all of the BIBLE was inspired by GOD. I think that is all part of the GREAT FALLING AWAY FROM TRUTH that was prophesied would happen before came to Call Out His Bride, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven. How far have they FALLEN? I remember when I was growing up in the midwest Bible Belt, I NEVER HEARD ANYONE doubting that the BIBLE was the Inspired Word of GOD.
As I pointed out in my above post, along with that doubting the INSPIRATION of the WORD, comes the Scoffing about believing Jesus will appear in the Clouds to Call Us Out, (called by some the Rapture). In the first Three Chapters of Revelation, we find the Letters to Churches. Which, NOT BY COINCIDENCE, fall in the exact same sequence that a particular style of Church dominated a portion of CHURCH HISTORY. We are now in the Laodicean AGE, probably getting somewhere near the END of it. What is wrong with the Laodicean style of CHURCH? Their LOVE for LORD and for HIS WORD are lukewarm and thus they have become unteachable, and the have become a worldly Church that is more of Social Club than a CHURCH.
Revelation 3:14-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked--
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." ' "
As I pointed out in my above post, along with that doubting the INSPIRATION of the WORD, comes the Scoffing about believing Jesus will appear in the Clouds to Call Us Out, (called by some the Rapture). In the first Three Chapters of Revelation, we find the Letters to Churches. Which, NOT BY COINCIDENCE, fall in the exact same sequence that a particular style of Church dominated a portion of CHURCH HISTORY. We are now in the Laodicean AGE, probably getting somewhere near the END of it. What is wrong with the Laodicean style of CHURCH? Their LOVE for LORD and for HIS WORD are lukewarm and thus they have become unteachable, and the have become a worldly Church that is more of Social Club than a CHURCH.
Revelation 3:14-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'--and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked--
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." ' "
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This is why I believe it will be a bio-genetic chip or mark. I believe the chip will have an identifying color or other feature that makes identification instantaneous.
I do not know about the UK but here in the USA and in my state our drivers licenses have 3 hidden state seals that are holographic images. You can only see them if you turn the card a certain way, I imagine the mark will be the same and I also believe there will be something that codes a DNA profile to the mark, that way it will never be able to be compromised or counterfeited.
I do not know about the UK but here in the USA and in my state our drivers licenses have 3 hidden state seals that are holographic images. You can only see them if you turn the card a certain way, I imagine the mark will be the same and I also believe there will be something that codes a DNA profile to the mark, that way it will never be able to be compromised or counterfeited.
Here is an article on TIME's web page from 9 years ago: Biochips for Everyone! - TIME
Is this like the implanted chip you picture in your mind?
The RFID chip is making bar codes OBSOLETE.
As for you comment about "people who have accepted the mark to be more aware of spiritual things", that would be a TOTAL FALSEHOOD.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming ⌊of the lawless one⌋ is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. ⌊They perish⌋ because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.
As for you comment about "people who have accepted the mark to be more aware of spiritual things", that would be a TOTAL FALSEHOOD.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming ⌊of the lawless one⌋ is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with every unrighteous deception among those who are perishing. ⌊They perish⌋ because they did not accept the love of the truth in order to be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.
I forgot to mention that while I do believe that most-all prophecy was fulfilled, I do not lean toward Nero as the one being indicated by 600, 60, and 6. I do not really have or intend to have enough information to support or deny Nero as a candidate. I suppose that the person being suggested would surprise 99% of the world. But I am not confident enough to announce my suspicions at the moment. And, quite honestly, I haven't settled on an answer yet.
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Here is an article on TIME's web page from 9 years ago: Biochips for Everyone! - TIME
Is this like the implanted chip you picture in your mind?
Is this like the implanted chip you picture in your mind?
I believe the mark will have all the functions listed in the picture I believe it may also bond with the DNA of the those that accept it, to keep it from being compromised and the bodies own nervous system will power the mark. I also believe the mark will give off a light or low key color and when a person dies that has the mark, the mark will also "die" or cease to function, therfore also keeping from being compromised.
I believe the mark will be an RFID chip combined with nanotechnology, encoded with persons complete life history, their bank account, and phone.