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You have taken away repentance and baptism for the remission of sins in one swipe ....so out went ..and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. it is the promise to you and your children and to them that are afar off and as many as the Lord our God shall call.
When did these Gentiles receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:45; 11:17? Before or after water baptism? BEFORE (Acts 10:47). Now harmonize that with Acts 2:38. Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31). *Perfect Harmony* You filter the rest of scripture through your biased interpretation of Acts 2:38 which has led to your contradiction.

Read what I said again. In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. Repentance is not removed and baptism is put in it's proper place, subsequent to salvation, as all rites and works must be. Baptism is for believers, and believers are already saved, for the Bible says whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins (Acts 10:43) BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:44-47) which is repentance unto life (Acts 11:17,18). We are not saved by rites or religious works, or good works. This does not remove good works/acts of obedience from the Christian life, it just puts them in their proper place, subsequent to regeneration and salvation
 

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You will never be able to convince most people that our works are part of our salvation. The brother is not saying any works save you at all from what I understand. Our works do justify our salvation because salvation which we gain by faith should produce good works (our fruit). This is not hard to understand at all Faith without works is dead faith, and dead faith cannot save.
 
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The thief on the cross? No, we do not know whether he was baptized or not, the Scriptures are silent.
We know he was not baptized with the baptism of Mk 16:15, which you say is necessary for salvation,

unless he was baptized early in Jesus' ministry (Jn 4:2) three years before he died,
and then turned to thievery after he was baptized, for which he was executed.

Na-a-a-h.

But the thief living under the Old Testament law is not a good example for Christians living under the New Testament.
So in which testament were those living under who were baptized by the disciples (Jn 4:2, 3:23)?

yes, Romans 6 is a good scripture regarding the importance of baptism.

The Bible does not call baptism a symbol
Nor does it call God a Trinity, nor sovereign.

But all are there nevertheless.

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did it ever occur to you that you might be the misguided soul? And that you might also be the one leading others astray? I didn't think so.
That's the same canned response I receive from all the other "faith only" advocates.
And that would be those who believe

Eph 2:8-9; Ro 1:17, 3:22, 4:5, 13, 9:30-31, 10:6; Gal 2:16; Php 3:9; Heb 11:7
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Why don't you believe them?


And now back to where we started, why don't you believe

Eph 2:8-9; Ro 1:17, 3:22, 4:5, 13, 9:30-31, 10:6; Gal 2:16; Php 3:9;
Heb 11:7?
all of those scriptures in Romans you listed are talking about works of the law of Moses. Go back and read a few verses prior to the ones you listed and you will see he is clearly talking about works of the old law.
PRECISELY!

And that is the only meaning of "works" in Paul.
"Works" never mean anything else in Paul.

Paul knows only works of merit which do not save.
He knows nothing of "works of obedience" which do save.
That notion is your own invention.


And of course, we are not saved by that.
Indeed we are not!
And Paul knows of no other works which do save.

Look at Romans 3:28. Practically
the whole book of Romans you're dealing with works of the old law. Paul is trying to tell them
that they are no longer justified by the old law.
ABSOLUTELY!

First of all, they never were justified by works of the law.
No one was ever justified by works of the law (Gal 3:10).

And secondly, the old law are the only "works" of Paul.
He knows of no other works. . ."of obedience" which save. . .or anything else.

There are no "works of obedience" which save.
 
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Alligator is intelligent enough to understand your cogent exposition of the NT.

He just chooses not to.
As I've mentioned before, it's not hard to understand, just hard for him to ACCEPT.
Why should I accept your position? You should realize that I feel that my view is correct just as strongly as you think yours is.
 

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yes, Romans 6 is a good scripture regarding the importance of baptism.
But that Baptism of Rom 6 is into Christ, not into water. There is not a drop of water in Rom 6

The Bible does not call baptism a symbol
1 Peter 3:
"eight souls, were saved through water: 21 which also after a true likeness [ ἀντίτυπον] doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ;"

ἀντίτυπον, neuter = antitupon

BDAG Lexicon:

ἀντίτυπος, ον of someth. that corresponds to another; esp. used metaphorically.
1. pert. to that which corresponds to someth. else, adj. corresponding to

2. subst. τὸ ἀντίτυπον. copy, antitype, representation

So χειροποίητα ἅγια, ἀντίτυπα [plural of antitupon] τῶν ἀληθινῶν a sanctuary made w. hands, a (mere) copy of the true (sanctuary) Hb 9:24.


Paul is trying to tell them that they are no longer justified by the old law.
the Lord told us through His prophets that justification for the lost man does not come by works at all. For the lost man has no good works. The unsaved man becomes saved when He trusts the Lord Jesus as Savior, believes in the Son of God. At that point, without any works, He is saved, justified by faith alone.

There is but one MUST I DO to be saved:

Sirs what MUST I DO to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved.

No ifs, ands, buts, no subtractions or addtions.
Only one MUST I DO.

Give up the chance-giver, salvation by works (water baptism, etc.) theory of salvation -- it is forbidden by scripture and hinders you from realizing the free gift of eternal life.
 
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When did these Gentiles receive the gift of the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:45; 11:17? Before or after water baptism? BEFORE (Acts 10:47). Now harmonize that with Acts 2:38. Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31). *Perfect Harmony* You filter the rest of scripture through your biased interpretation of Acts 2:38 which has led to your contradiction.

Read what I said again. In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. Repentance is not removed and baptism is put in it's proper place, subsequent to salvation, as all rites and works must be. Baptism is for believers, and believers are already saved, for the Bible says whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins (Acts 10:43) BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:44-47) which is repentance unto life (Acts 11:17,18). We are not saved by rites or religious works, or good works. This does not remove good works/acts of obedience from the Christian life, it just puts them in their proper place, subsequent to regeneration and salvation
This makes for a very nice story and your harmonizing is great for show...but the pattern Christ gave is the pattern to follow. After his baptism he received the Holy Ghost. All his disciples would have been already baptised so received the Holy Ghost after baptism. There are exception to the rules. But your problem lies in your understanding of belief. You think it is just hearing but this is not so. Faith is always connected to an action.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
God always ensures the truth survives. Nowhere have I implied we are saved by rites or works. Up to this point you have not understood we are saved by grace, you think we are saved by belief. It is through believing God gave you the faith so your connection to God is the obedience to what you believe...that is why faith without works is dead. Through our faith which without works is dead we working out our salvation. So if If one believe God and genuinely repent he will be baptised for the remission of sins and he shall receive the Holy Ghost as promised.
Acts 10:44-47 is in harmony with being born of water and of spirit. Notice he did not say they have the Holy Ghost they no longer need water. He said who can forbid water. If water was just a bath as you said then he would have said so. Just as the disciples who only had the baptism of repentance then they were baptised in the name of our Jesus. Then Paul laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost .

[SUP]2 [/SUP]He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And all the men were about twelve.
 

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This makes for a very nice story and your harmonizing is great for show...but the pattern Christ gave is the pattern to follow.
Christ's pattern? Is that what Jesus shared with us in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26 or did He forget to mention baptism?

After his baptism he received the Holy Ghost.
What else happened after His baptism? Did that happen to you as well?

All his disciples would have been already baptised so received the Holy Ghost after baptism. There are exception to the rules.
Oh, so now you are saying there are exceptions to the rules? Interesting!

But your problem lies in your understanding of belief. You think it is just hearing but this is not so. Faith is always connected to an action.
Your problem lies in your understanding between the root of faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ for salvation and the fruit of faith (actions which follow, works).

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
If he that believes is not condemned (John 3:18) then he that believes and is baptized will be saved as well, yet who did Jesus say would be condemned, THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE. No mention of baptized or condemned.

God always ensures the truth survives. Nowhere have I implied we are saved by rites or works.
What do you think baptism is?

Up to this point you have not understood we are saved by grace, you think we are saved by belief.
We are saved by grace (God's part) through faith (our part). I understand clearly.

It is through believing God gave you the faith so your connection to God is the obedience to what you believe...that is why faith without works is dead.
Claims to have faith but has no works, empty profession of faith, dead faith (James 2:14). Obedience which follows faith is works and is the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of our faith, but not the essence of our faith and not the means of our salvation.

Through our faith which without works is dead we working out our salvation.
Working out, not working for, ongoing sanctification, not justification.

So if If one believe God and genuinely repent he will be baptised for the remission of sins and he shall receive the Holy Ghost as promised.
These Gentiles received the Holy Spirit after believing yet before water baptism and so did I. Explain that.

Acts 10:44-47 is in harmony with being born of water and of spirit.
John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; Titus 3:5 is in harmony with being born of water and the Spirit and the water is LIVING WATER, NOT WATER BAPTISM.

Notice he did not say they have the Holy Ghost they no longer need water. He said who can forbid water. If water was just a bath as you said then he would have said so.
They received the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47). Now bring on the water for these saved converts. Water is just a bath for unbelievers.

Just as the disciples who only had the baptism of repentance then they were baptised in the name of our Jesus. Then Paul laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost.
Special situation in Acts 8 and Acts 19.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Notice, Have you received the Holy Spirit since you BELIEVED, (Compare with Ephesians 1:13) not since you were baptized.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And all the men were about twelve.
So should we include the laying on of hands as an additional requirement to receive the Holy Spirit as well or would you agree this was a special case?
 

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All his disciples would have been already baptised so received the Holy Ghost after baptism. There are exception to the rules.
Well, NewB, would you mind proving that there is a rule & an exception from the Bible? Where does the term "exception" occur? 1 Cor 12:13 indicates that all believers are spirit baptized into the Body of Christ, His Church.

There is no exception to this rule: it is a MUST I DO rule:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

But your problem lies in your understanding of belief. You think it is just hearing but this is not so. Faith is always connected to an action.
Have you looked at all the passages where faith occurs, NewB. What is your proof that it is always "connected" to an action. To Him who works not, but believes, His faith is reckoned for righteousness. The way you keep going on, one would think you really don't want to be saved (passive, saved by a Savior). Passive voice, O NewB.

The term "connected" is too vague. Works are not connected to faith, but distinguished from it as the opposite pole in achieving salvation. To be sure, after being saved works follow, so you can say there is a post connection: faith > saved > works.

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Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. [/quote]

Baptism is not a MUST I DO here. The man believes, that is his only action. When he is "baptized," he is passive -- that is done to him, not a work that he does. But since no human works save, either that of a believer or of a water-baptizer, water baptism cannot be essential to salvation. In fact, water baptism cannot save at all. And note that the damnation is not asserted for non-baptism here.

But it makes best sense to see Spirit baptism here, as water is not mentioned. And Spirit baptism (something God does, not man), is not a human work, so not disqualified by the truth "not of works." No water is in the passage.

you think we are saved by belief. It is through believing God gave you the faith so your connection to God is the obedience to what you believe...that is why faith without works is dead
It is not a matter of "think." The only human MUST I DO for salvation is believe/have faith. This is reiterated over & over in the Bible. Baptism is only rarely mentioned in a salvation verse. Actually I regret to tell you that the sentence you wrote makes no sense to me; perhaps in typing fast it came out wrong somehow -- I have done that of course myself.

So if If one believe God and genuinely repent he will be baptised for the remission of sins and he shall receive the Holy Ghost as promised.
You give no Bible proof of that one. Repentance is metanoia = change of mind. Saving repentance is change of mind from non-belief to belief. If a few times repentance is saving in the NT, that would be the same as believing. Water baptism is never said to cause remission of sins. We know that believing/having faith alone leads to remission of sins, since one could not have salvation without remission of sins, and faith alone is the only thing that saves.

NewB, is it not time to abandon any thought of Christ as a mere chance-giver? Can you not untangle your mind long enough to focus on the Savior, and trust Him as your only & sufficient Savior?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

The wrong approach to salvation is to focus on the few baptism passages in the Bible. The focus must be on the Savior & in trusting Him to save you. This is not a matter of a few verses in Acts in the experience of the early Church; this is solid Bible teaching throughout the whole Bible, namely that faith alone is man's only responsibility in salvation. The Lord, on the other hand, does many things for us.
 

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Why should I accept your position? You should realize that I feel that my view is correct just as strongly as you think yours is.
Because Christ saves us through faith based on His finished work of redemption and not based on the merits of our works. You are trusting in works. You may feel strongly about your position but so do Roman Catholics and Mormons and they trust in works for salvation as well. Does it not really matter? Will we ALL be saved anyway, regardless of whether we trust in Christ alone for salvation or works?
 
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Because Christ saves us through faith based on His finished work of redemption and not based on the merits of our works. You are trusting in works. You may feel strongly about your position but so do Roman Catholics and Mormons and they trust in works for salvation as well. Does it not really matter? Will we ALL be saved anyway, regardless of whether we trust in Christ alone for salvation or works?
I have given up on the idea of trying to convince you what I believe. I have said many times over that my trust is in Christ and not works yet you keep repeating this same line to me. And since I trust Him, I want to,do what he says.
 

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I have given up on the idea of trying to convince you what I believe. I have said many times over that my trust is in Christ and not works yet you keep repeating this same line to me. And since I trust Him, I want to, do what he says.
Right there you just demonstrated my point. You say that you trust in Christ and not works, yet you have consistently listed works that must be accomplished before Christ can save you. Your trust is in your 4-5 step formula for salvation, which amounts to salvation by works.
 
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Christ's pattern? Is that what Jesus shared with us in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26 or did He forget to mention baptism?

What else happened after His baptism? Did that happen to you as well?

Oh, so now you are saying there are exceptions to the rules? Interesting!

Your problem lies in your understanding between the root of faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ for salvation and the fruit of faith (actions which follow, works).

If he that believes is not condemned (John 3:18) then he that believes and is baptized will be saved as well, yet who did Jesus say would be condemned, THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE. No mention of baptized or condemned.

What do you think baptism is?

We are saved by grace (God's part) through faith (our part). I understand clearly.

Claims to have faith but has no works, empty profession of faith, dead faith (James 2:14). Obedience which follows faith is works and is the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of our faith, but not the essence of our faith and not the means of our salvation.

Working out, not working for, ongoing sanctification, not justification.

These Gentiles received the Holy Spirit after believing yet before water baptism and so did I. Explain that.

John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; Titus 3:5 is in harmony with being born of water and the Spirit and the water is LIVING WATER, NOT WATER BAPTISM.

They received the Holy Spirit BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47). Now bring on the water for these saved converts. Water is just a bath for unbelievers.

Special situation in Acts 8 and Acts 19.

Notice, Have you received the Holy Spirit since you BELIEVED, (Compare with Ephesians 1:13) not since you were baptized.

So should we include the laying on of hands as an additional requirement to receive the Holy Spirit as well or would you agree this was a special case?
There is no reasoning with you ....
It is not a bath....by your own admission you were not baptised into Christ ...you took a bath...you need to be baptised into Christ

And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: ...

[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

All who believe were baptised in his name...


Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
 

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Do you realize that only once in Holy writ is the phrase "faith alone" used, and that says we are NOT saved by faith alone.
There is no verse that says "we are NOT saved by faith alone."

The word "justified" does not mean "saved" though if God declares a man righteous (justified), that does imply he is saved because man is wicked and sinful by nature, thus an operation on man is required (operation in which the man is passive, "saved") before man can be declared righteous. So if you are not saved, you won't be declared righteous. And this initial justification at salvation is by faith alone, apart from works, as in the case of Abraham.

But aside from the declaration of righteous (justification) at the point of salvation, good works which a man does after he is saved do declare the man righteous (they justify the man).

Abe believed God, & it (that faith) was reckoned to him for righteousness -- no works at all.
Many years later after Abe was saved, Abe obeyed God in faith and offered up Isaac, believing God could raise Isaac from the dead. Abe's work justified him at that point, Abe's work declared that Abe was righteous. But Abe's work did not make Abe righteous nor save him.

Faith is mentioned alone many, many times as the MUST I DO for salvation.

Sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.

There is only 1 MUST I DO for salvation: believe, depend on, trust the Lord Jesus.

Anyone reading this who is not trusting Christ as Savior, but has faith in his good works and/or water baptism, is urged to repent and trust the Lord Jesus as Savior, only & sufficient Savior -- not "chance-giver."
 
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Well, NewB, would you mind proving that there is a rule & an exception from the Bible? Where does the term "exception" occur? 1 Cor 12:13 indicates that all believers are spirit baptized into the Body of Christ, His Church.
The scripture shows some receive the HS before water baptism and some after...
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, ....Does this say we are not to be water baptised? It says by one spirit are we all...not one spirit we are all...



Have you looked at all the passages where faith occurs, NewB. What is your proof that it is always "connected" to an action. To Him who works not, but believes, His faith is reckoned for righteousness. The way you keep going on, one would think you really don't want to be saved (passive, saved by a Savior). Passive voice, O NewB.

The term "connected" is too vague. Works are not connected to faith, but distinguished from it as the opposite pole in achieving salvation. To be sure, after being saved works follow, so you can say there is a post connection: faith > saved > works.
so when we believe our works are works of righteousness not works for righteousness as you put it...you on the other hand have no works period. You can't have faith without works.
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Baptism is not a MUST I DO here. The man believes, that is his only action. When he is "baptized," he is passive -- that is done to him, not a work that he does. But since no human works save, either that of a believer or of a water-baptizer, water baptism cannot be essential to salvation. In fact, water baptism cannot save at all. And note that the damnation is not asserted for non-baptism here.

But it makes best sense to see Spirit baptism here, as water is not mentioned. And Spirit baptism (something God does, not man), is not a human work, so not disqualified by the truth "not of works." No water is in the passage.
What happens to those who believe and is not baptised? No mention of spirit in the passage either.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;(believe +obedience to faith= saved)

but he that believeth not shall be damned(don't believe = no obedience= damned)

May I remind you we are saved by grace through faith.... not water baptism. Don't know why you keep saying that. Water baptism is an act of faith...Your faith has no works so you won't know about that.



It is not a matter of "think." The only human MUST I DO for salvation is believe/have faith. This is reiterated over & over in the Bible. Baptism is only rarely mentioned in a salvation verse. Actually I regret to tell you that the sentence you wrote makes no sense to me; perhaps in typing fast it came out wrong somehow -- I have done that of course myself.
Faith without works is dead...you Believe Christ what did he say to do? You just believe and do nothing, classic example of faith without works.


You give no Bible proof of that one. Repentance is metanoia = change of mind. Saving repentance is change of mind from non-belief to belief. If a few times repentance is saving in the NT, that would be the same as believing. Water baptism is never said to cause remission of sins. We know that believing/having faith alone leads to remission of sins, since one could not have salvation without remission of sins,
and faith alone is the only thing that saves.

You desperately want to be responsible for your salvation, by your faith...we are saved by grace...through faith.... you can have all the faith in the world but without God's grace you are nothing.Faith without works is dead


NewB, is it not time to abandon any thought of Christ as a mere chance-giver? Can you not untangle your mind long enough to focus on the Savior, and trust Him as your only & sufficient Savior?

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
He is my Saviour but also my Lord and master....

The wrong approach to salvation is to focus on the few baptism passages in the Bible. The focus must be on the Savior & in trusting Him to save you. This is not a matter of a few verses in Acts in the experience of the early Church; this is solid Bible teaching throughout the whole Bible, namely that faith alone is man's only responsibility in salvation. The Lord, on the other hand, does many things for us.
Faith without works is dead


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You believe in Christ...do you believe in obedience to God's word?
 
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We are told to repent (Luke 13:3), we are told to confess (Romans 10:9-10), and be baptized for the remission of sins. We are not saved by faith alone.
Those who don't trust Christ as Savior to be sure "are not saved by faith alone," for they are not saved at all! Those reading who dismiss the Lord Jesus as mere "chance giver" need to repent & trust Him as Savior.

Repentance = metanoia = change of mind. The only change of mind that saves is change from disbelief to belief.

An explanation of the rare "confess" in salvation context:

Confess = homologeo = hom(o) phob eo? -- whoops, wrong; lets try that one again (not to confuse the issue with a slur word aimed against Christian morality)

Confess = hom(o) same + log saying + -eo = verb ending = say same = agree.

As context indicates (Romans 10:13), when one trusts Christ as Savior, one must have Him defined as YHWH, God, not as Jesus the Mexican car mechanic or Michael the archangel. The confession is to God; the person to be saved agrees with God as to who the Lord Jesus is. We have Him adequately defined as God and raised from the dead. This has to do with definition of the object of faith, and is not a verbal confession to men (which would be a forbidden human work, which cannot save).

Water baptism does not remit sins. Moreover, when a man is baptized, he is passive -- the only baptism which is salvific is Spirit baptism, which is not a human work, but the work of God. We are not saved by human works. We are saved by God's works.

The one & only requirement for man to do is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved. This is not an isolated verse like in Roman 10; faith/believe is the only thing required from man for salvation over & over in scripture.

Imagine the Philippian jailer:
He asks: Sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved?
The answer is given: Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved.
So at that point, the jailer believes, he trust in Christ as His only & sufficient savior.
Next, the roof suddenly collapses, falls, and instantly squashes the jailer so that he dies.

The jailer's spirit goes up to the Pearly Gates. At the right of the gates there is this Black Hole with a sucking sound coming out of it. And star dust around is sucked into that hole. At the bottom of that hole is Hell. Groans can be heard from the hole. A rough voice is heard from the hole, "Shovel faster." The sound of a whip cracking can be heard, with screams.

St Pete meets the jailer.
The jailer says, "Let me in, let me in."
Pete says, "Not by the hair of my chiny chin chin. Hold on there boy, you did believe, but you did not confess, also you never got dunked in the water. It is to Hell you go, sorry. You're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of Hell.

The jailer says, "I will sue you for false advertising. Your ad said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved. Moreover, 1000 times in the Bible it says the same thing in various wording, like in John 3:17 "whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Now I believed, so I demand my salvation."


 
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Right there you just demonstrated my point. You say that you trust in Christ and not works, yet you have consistently listed works that must be accomplished before Christ can save you. Your trust is in your 4-5 step formula for salvation, which amounts to salvation by works.
talking to you is like talking to a stump. You hear only what you want to hear that will bolster your man made theory.

You are a faith only guy right? That would be like me telling you that you don't trust Christ but trust in your faith to save you. See how asinine that would be?
 

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Again, Rom 4:4 excludes works of obedience because obedient works can NEVER make one's reward of debt and not of grace.
All good works are obedient works. All good works are meritorious works. This is a distinction that the Bible never makes; you invented it, and it is false. And all human works are excluded from salvation in Eph 2 "not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Nowhere did Paul says justification apart from ANY works.
False. And the issues is what GOD SAYS, not "Paul." Paul is God's prophet, thus what "Paul says" is God's word, not "Paul's."

Salvation & justification at the point of salvation are by faith alone. Salvation is not by works.

PROOF:

1 Peter 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.
Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believes on him is not judged: he that believes not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believes him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes hath eternal life.

John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

1 John 5:10-12
He that believes on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believes not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto Jehovah;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.


Acts 15:8

And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b

that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:1ff

:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he that believes on him shall not be put to shame.

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.


Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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There is no verse that says "we are NOT saved by faith alone."

The word "justified" does not mean "saved" though if God declares a man righteous (justified), that does imply he is saved because man is wicked and sinful by nature, thus an operation on man is required (operation in which the man is passive, "saved") before man can be declared righteous. So if you are not saved, you won't be declared righteous. And this initial justification at salvation is by faith alone, apart from works, as in the case of Abraham.

But aside from the declaration of righteous (justification) at the point of salvation, good works which a man does after he is saved do declare the man righteous (they justify the man).

Abe believed God, & it (that faith) was reckoned to him for righteousness -- no works at all.
Many years later after Abe was saved, Abe obeyed God in faith and offered up Isaac, believing God could raise Isaac from the dead. Abe's work justified him at that point, Abe's work declared that Abe was righteous. But Abe's work did not make Abe righteous nor save him.

Faith is mentioned alone many, many times as the MUST I DO for salvation.

Sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you shall be saved.

There is only 1 MUST I DO for salvation: believe, depend on, trust the Lord Jesus.

Anyone reading this who is not trusting Christ as Savior, but has faith in his good works and/or water baptism, is urged to repent and trust the Lord Jesus as Savior, only & sufficient Savior -- not "chance-giver."
you have trouble with comprehension. So I can go to heaven and not be justified ? LOL
 
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All good works are obedient works. All good works are meritorious works. This is a distinction that the Bible never makes; you invented it, and it is false. And all human works are excluded from salvation in Eph 2 "not of works, lest anyone should boast."



False. And the issues is what GOD SAYS, not "Paul." Paul is God's prophet, thus what "Paul says" is God's word, not "Paul's."

Salvation & justification at the point of salvation are by faith alone. Salvation is not by works.

PROOF:

1 Peter 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.
Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believes on him is not judged: he that believes not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believes him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes hath eternal life.

John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

1 John 5:10-12
He that believes on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believes not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto Jehovah;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.


Acts 15:8

And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b

that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:1ff

:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believes on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he that believes on him shall not be put to shame.

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.


Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Faith without works is dead