ONCE saved always saved!.

[newbirth]

how many books of the bible, were wrote after 70 ad?

how can you follow, the full law given to moses, after this date, without a temple?

was a new covenent, already in place, before this date?

Why do you keep asking this question? We are not under the law of Moses. The righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in those who live according to the spirit...

For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[SUP][b][/SUP] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[SUP][c][/SUP] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

 

[newbirth]

You bundle eternal security into lasciviousness. How can you claim Christ, yet have no security in your salvation?
You claim you are not legalistic, yet claim salvation is something that is lost, found, lost again, and found again based on works!

the only security there is, is in Christ, if you abide in Him. If you don't abide in him you are not of him...you will be cast into the fire to be burned

[h=1][/h] [SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

[royalscot]

Why do you keep asking this question? We are not under the law of Moses. The righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in those who live according to the spirit...

For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[SUP][b][/SUP] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[SUP][c][/SUP] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

your are in agreement to osas.
it points, also to prophtic, ie being fore told. (new covent, and no temple)

how dose this answer,
how many books of the bible, were wrote after 70 ad?

 

[Ukorin]

Here is what another believer (Who is against OSAS) has written to an OSAS proponent on Hebrews 6:

(Hebrews 6:4-6 NIV) [4] It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, [5] who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, [6] if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.


You need to take the Bible as a whole so you can figure out what is being spoken of. The author of Hebrews is not saying that someone who wanders from the faith can't come back. If that is what is being said, then the Bible contradicts itself and we know that isn't true. Let me show you:


(James 5:19-20 NIV) [19] My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, [20] remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.


If your assertion for Hebrews 6 is correct then James contradicts it by this passage. As I said we know that God is not the author of confusion, so we can be sure that the passage in Hebrews does not mean what you claim it means. Now our job is to figure out what it does say. First we need to look at who the book of Hebrews was written to. That is pretty simple, since the name of the book tells us. It was written to Jewish believers. That is a very important fact.

What the author is saying is that if anyone who has been saved (placed their faith in the atonement of sacrifice of Jesus Christ) and then goes back into Judaism and tries to have their sins forgiven through the Law, they have rejected the only sacrifice that can take way their sins. They can't later come back because they have already rejected the sacrifice as not being able to totally save them. This is totally different than someone who wanders from the faith as James speaks about. But don't take my word for it, let's see if there is anywhere else in the Bible which would back this conclusion up:


(Galatians 5:2-4 NIV) [2] Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. [3] Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. [4] You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

As you already know, this post was yet another diversion from responding my challenge to you, to back up your accusation of me with a quote.

However, I will help you understand these passages, even though you have so far ignored all exege.

Hebrews 6 directly deals with the loss of Salvation. It clearly shows that those who fall away cannot be returned to repentance.

James is dealing with something different. It does not deal with loss of Salvation, but with fearing the Lord's discipline upon His Children who stray, ultimately resulting in physical death (nowhere does it speak of spiritual death, nor is it implied).
Straying and falling away are very seperate, yet in this argument, you pretended they are the same.
Straying loses blessing and fellowship, and results in discipline. Salvation is retained, but only a fool or an evil person would preach that it is okay to stray. Obviously life and death is on the line!

Falling away loses salvation permanently. This is the only way to lose salvation, and it is lost forever.

Galatians further proves this very point.

Continuing in sin either shows that one has no faith, and therefore never saved,
or it shows a sheep that has gone astray (but remains a sheep, and without repentance will face trials of Job and ultimately physical death, but will be saved as through fire).

Trying to retain salvation by works either shows a person has no faith in the finished work of Christ, and therefore never saved,
or a Believer who has rejected Faith and has fallen away, fallen from grace (never was a sheep, as He will say "I NEVER knew you")

Straying is temporal, forgivable, and forgiven.
Falling is permanent, unforgivable, and irreversible.

 

[newbirth]

your are in agreement to osas.
it points, also to prophtic, ie being fore told. (new covent, and no temple)

how dose this answer,
how many books of the bible, were wrote after 70 ad?

The scripture does not teach OSAS
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Scripture says you must live according to spirit...OSAS says it does not matter how you live.

I don't know how many books of the bible, were wrote after 70 ad....trivia does not prove if I have faith or not...

 

[Ukorin]

The scripture does not teach OSAS
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Scripture says you must live according to spirit...OSAS says it does not matter how you live.

I don't know how many books of the bible, were wrote after 70 ad....trivia does not prove if I have faith or not...

How is walking in the Spirit still connected to having your mind on the works of the flesh? Finish reading the passage you began to quote.
Sorry, but Christ fulfilled the righteous requirement of the Law, and it is met in us because we have the Spirit of Christ in us.

If you are still focused on the works of flesh, then you are not living according to the Spirit, because you are not spiritually minded, but physically minded,
placing your hope in the perseverance of will, rather than the faithfulness of the Lord to work in you.

Instruct in righteousness, not judge the righteousness of others.
We are deemed righteous by faith, not works,
Or else all the saved could boast in themselves on the Last Day, rather than worship in humility before the faithfulness, grace, and mercy of the Lord.

 

[newbirth]

Continuing in sin either shows that one has no faith, and therefore never saved,
or it shows a sheep that has gone astray (but remains a sheep, and without repentance will face trials of Job and ultimately physical death, but will be saved as through fire).

.

You are contrary to scripture...
some continue in sin because they are ignorant, are you saying the were never saved? what are you talking about without repentance?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

the wages of sin is death bro...

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

 

[Ukorin]

The morals of the worldly focus on staying away from bad.

The morals of the Spirit focus on pursuing doing good.

These are opposite mentalities, and the motives are opposite!

Those who are focused on abstaining from sin are still chained to sin, and all the works they do are counted as worthless to God, because they are done out of self-preservation (love of self), not out of love for God or the brethren.

Those who are focused on pursuing good are free from sin, as their purpose is higher than fulfilling freshly desires, and all their deeds are esteemed before the Lord, because they are done out of selflessness and love for God and the brethren.

Purity comes naturally to those who are pursuing the good works that have been prepared in advance for us to do.
False purity (form of godliness, deny it's power) comes from the focus on what is sinful that comes out of legalism and insecurity of faith.

 

[Ukorin]

You are contrary to scripture...
some continue in sin because they are ignorant, are you saying the were never saved? what are you talking about without repentance?

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

the wages of sin is death bro...

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

It is not contrary to Scripture in the least. Ignorance would fall under the "or" statement about being astray. Are you saying that those who sin ignorantly are doing what is holy?

The wages of sin is certainly death. Praise God that He paid that price for us.
Physical death still results from sin, and those that continue in sin will face early death.

If a person loses their salvation when they go astray, then it cannot be regained according to Hebrews 6. But NO! A person who is astray has not lost salvation, but loses blessing and fellowship, and earns physical discipline from God, including trials and even death.

Are we to continue in sin? Lord forbid!
But this does not mean that we lose our salvation in every momentary mistake.
God does not adopt, then disown, then adopt again. That is foolishness.

 

[kennethcadwell]

A sheep who goes astray, and does not come back in repentance is not still saved.

If they were, we would not be called to bring them back to repentance.

You can not go from being saved, and go astray ( fall away ) back to walking in darkness and stay saved.

You have to come back to repentance, or in other words turn back to the Lord to be saved.

 

[newbirth]

How is walking in the Spirit still connected to having your mind on the works of the flesh? Finish reading the passage you began to quote.
Sorry, but Christ fulfilled the righteous requirement of the Law, and it is met in us because we have the Spirit of Christ in us.

The scripture does not say that...it says.. Christ condemned sin in the flesh...why did he condemn sin in the flesh?...That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,..... how is the righteousness of the law fulfilled in us?....... walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

If you are still focused on the works of flesh, then you are not living according to the Spirit, because you are not spiritually minded, but physically minded,
placing your hope in the perseverance of will, rather than the faithfulness of the Lord to work in you.

you are following a doctrine of man and not reading your bible...

Instruct in righteousness, not judge the righteousness of others.
We are deemed righteous by faith, not works,
Or else all the saved could boast in themselves on the Last Day, rather than worship in humility before the faithfulness, grace, and mercy of the Lord.

The word is the judge...and faith without works is dead...

Christ is my focus and my salvation is in him

 

[Ukorin]

A sheep who goes astray, and does not come back in repentance is not still saved.

If they were, we would not be called to bring them back to repentance.

You can not go from being saved, and go astray ( fall away ) back to walking in darkness and stay saved.

You have to come back to repentance, or in other words turn back to the Lord to be saved.

You have to come back to repentance to save yourself from severe discipline from God, including illness and death,
and also to be returned to fellowship and to have blessing and reward.
Salvation is not at stake, but a lot of other very serious things are.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You have to come back to repentance to save yourself from severe discipline from God, including illness and death,
and also to be returned to fellowship and to have blessing and reward.
Salvation is not at stake, but a lot of other very serious things are.

The only death we are saved from is spiritual death, not physical death.

If you believe physical, then explain all the believers that have died physical in the past, present, and even in the future during tribulation.

Plus it says in scripture we are appointed to die once ( physical death ), if we stay in obedience of belief in the Lord we will not die a spiritual death. Where the spirit will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

If you repent and come back to the Lord, your works will be judged to determine your rewards in heaven.

If you fall away or go astray from the Lord, you are no longer His.

You will then be living back into the way of world and denying Jesus, and if you deny Jesus He will deny you.

Which is why you have to come back in repentance, but some will not because they believe they are doing nothing wrong or are still saved. They will then be told at judgment though I never knew you, depart from Me.

There will be gnashing of teeth because they will say we still believe in you, but He will say by your works you have denied Me.

 

[Jason0047]

As you already know, this post was yet another diversion from responding my challenge to you, to back up your accusation of me with a quote.

However, I will help you understand these passages, even though you have so far ignored all exege.

Hebrews 6 directly deals with the loss of Salvation. It clearly shows that those who fall away cannot be returned to repentance.

James is dealing with something different. It does not deal with loss of Salvation, but with fearing the Lord's discipline upon His Children who stray, ultimately resulting in physical death (nowhere does it speak of spiritual death, nor is it implied).
Straying and falling away are very seperate, yet in this argument, you pretended they are the same.
Straying loses blessing and fellowship, and results in discipline. Salvation is retained, but only a fool or an evil person would preach that it is okay to stray. Obviously life and death is on the line!

Falling away loses salvation permanently. This is the only way to lose salvation, and it is lost forever.

Galatians further proves this very point.

Continuing in sin either shows that one has no faith, and therefore never saved,
or it shows a sheep that has gone astray (but remains a sheep, and without repentance will face trials of Job and ultimately physical death, but will be saved as through fire).

Trying to retain salvation by works either shows a person has no faith in the finished work of Christ, and therefore never saved,
or a Believer who has rejected Faith and has fallen away, fallen from grace (never was a sheep, as He will say "I NEVER knew you")

Straying is temporal, forgivable, and forgiven.
Falling is permanent, unforgivable, and irreversible.

Well, it is good that we both agree that Hebrews 6 talks about apostasy. However, your interpretation of James 5:19-20 is wrong, though. It is talking about salvation. Let's look at the verse.

James 5:19-20
"Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

Okay, lets break this verse down into parts and address each thing that is being said.

"Brethen, if any of you do err from the truth, "

First, we know this passage is speaking to the brethren and not unbelievers because James calls them "Brethren" and says if any of them errs from the truth. And what is truth? Well, this brings me to my second point. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Truth is a person named Jesus Christ. Having the truth means you are saved. For He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). But if we err from the truth or away from Jesus, how can we be saved? Does Jesus force people to be saved? Why doesn't he force unbelievers to be saved? Can a belief alone type faith really save? (James 2:17).

"and one convert him;"

Alright, this says if you convert him. Convert who? Again, the context is one of the brethren. To convert someone means you are changing them or converting them spiritually. How do we know for sure? It says so in the rest of the verse,

"Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

Did you catch that? It says he that converts a sinner. Now this person who has erred from the truth is now called a sinner. It is also says that they are in way of error, too (i.e. the error of his way). It then says if they convert this type of person (Who was one who had the Truth, i.e. Jesus), then they are essentially SAVING A SOUL FROM DEATH and are HIDING A MULTITUDE OF SINS. This is speaking about spiritual death because all men are condemned to physically die and hiding a multitude of sins clearly shows that sin needed to put away in this person's life in regards to death. For 1 John 5:16-18 says there are sins that lead unto death and sins that do not lead unto death. If you were to read the entire epistle of 1st John with the focus on the words death and life, you would see that it speaking of spiritual death and spiritual life. Just as James is talking about spiritual life and spiritual death. If he wasn't, then you need to show a verse where he was talking about physical death and physical life.

For it says saving a SOUL not a body from death. A soul can exist in the spiritual world. For the Scriptures say that Jesus' soul was not left in Hell (Hades). Saving a soul in the Scriptures is not about saving people physically. That comes later. Saving a soul in the Scriptures is talking about saving them spiritually. For that is what the Bible is all about. Saving souls spiritually.

 

[newbirth]

It is not contrary to Scripture in the least. Ignorance would fall under the "or" statement about being astray. Are you saying that those who sin ignorantly are doing what is holy?

In his wisdom God made provisions ...


Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

If a person loses their salvation when they go astray, then it cannot be regained according to Hebrews 6. But NO! A person who is astray has not lost salvation, but loses blessing and fellowship, and earns physical discipline from God, including trials and even death.

The scripture says...
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

How can you evangelise someone who once walked with Christ and fell away ... have you ever tried to it is like talking to a brick wall. The scripture says they put Christ to open shame and crucify him afresh and their end is death.

The scripture does not teach they have to remain there....

Are we to continue in sin? Lord forbid!
But this does not mean that we lose our salvation in every momentary mistake.
God does not adopt, then disown, then adopt again. That is foolishness.

The scripture does not teach that but this....

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God does not turn his back on anyone but men do turn their backs on him....

 

[Atwood]

God does not turn his back on anyone but men do turn their backs on him....

Woe to them who turn their back on the Savior and insist he is a mere chance-giver, who insist that their good works will vindicate them for entry to Heaven.

Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

 

[newbirth]

The morals of the worldly focus on staying away from bad.

The morals of the Spirit focus on pursuing doing good.

These are opposite mentalities, and the motives are opposite!

Those who are focused on abstaining from sin are still chained to sin, and all the works they do are counted as worthless to God, because they are done out of self-preservation (love of self), not out of love for God or the brethren.

Those who are focused on pursuing good are free from sin, as their purpose is higher than fulfilling freshly desires, and all their deeds are esteemed before the Lord, because they are done out of selflessness and love for God and the brethren.

Purity comes naturally to those who are pursuing the good works that have been prepared in advance for us to do.
False purity (form of godliness, deny it's power) comes from the focus on what is sinful that comes out of legalism and insecurity of faith.

So you are saying Peter Paul and John were all high on sin
Are you saying a man cannot hate sin and love God?

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

[royalscot]

The scripture does not teach OSAS
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Scripture says you must live according to spirit...OSAS says it does not matter how you live.

I don't know how many books of the bible, were wrote after 70 ad....trivia does not prove if I have faith or not...

ware did you get righteousness come from . john 3.16 proves you wrong. if you can follow, the prophet, then why give him water.
why break your back, thank you jesus.

 

[newbirth]

ware did you get righteousness come from . john 3.16 proves you wrong. if you can follow, the prophet, then why give him water.
why break your back, thank you jesus.

If I am wrong then the word is wrong I just quoted the word....

Romans 8 New International Version (NIV)
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, [SUP]2 [/SUP]because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[SUP][a][/SUP] free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[SUP][b][/SUP] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[SUP][c][/SUP] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

 

[Hoffco]

Many of us take trues out of context, or push trues to an extreme, and/or make broad statements which are not clearly taught by the verse. When we do these things, we obviously twist the trues and create contradictions out of the paradoxical teaching of the Bible. It is better to not read into a passage our own pet doctrines. Please, let God be true. I would like to make a new abbreviation, OSAH , Once Saved Always Holy. This will guard the OSAS from such unholy abuse. I love the truth of both of those abbreviations. taken together. Love Hoffco