And yet there are ancient books that describe the process. Centuries before Pasteur existed.
Jesus turned water into unfermented wine and not fermented wine.
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kennethcadwell
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Matthew 15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
The translation of this verse is unfortunate, because it misleads the reader into thinking that reference is being made to an alco*holic drink offering, when this is in fact, not the case. The original Hebrew word translated "strong wine," is shekar (sometimes writ*ten, shakar or shecar).
The word "shekar" is generic and can therefore refer to any drink, whether sweet, unfermented, strong or intoxicating.
It can also refer to palm wine, which is unfermented wine as sweet as honey. On examination of this text, we will again learn a beautiful lesson concerning the law of context, and the self-interpreting character of the inspired Book.
First of all it is necessary to reinforce the fact that the Hebrew word shekar (shakar, shecar), usually translated "strong drink," is largely misunderstood, regarding its origin and true meaning, which does not always refer to a an intoxicating bever*age such as beer. The Reverend B. Parsons explains:
Shacar, from the verb, to satisfy, to please, to make merry, or yield perfect satisfaction. It is highly probable that the term originally meant what was sweet or delightful either to the body or the mind. We have before stated that the Hebrew shacar, the Arabic, saccharon, the Greek, sachar, the Latin sacchamm, the French sucre, and the English sugar, have all sprung from the same original root, and have all the same primary-meaning; for in each language sweetness is the primitive idea. In arable, both * honey', and palm wine, which, when first made, or before it becomes acid, is as sweet as honey, were called 'saccharon.'
These very important facts are also highlighted in Dr. F.R. Lees' Bible Commentary, which states:
...saccharine drink', is related to the word for sugar in all the Indo-Germanic and Semitic languages, and is still applied throughout the East, from India to Abyssinia, to the palm sap, as well as to sugar and to the fermented palm-wine. It has by usage grown into a generic term for ^drinks,' including fresh juices and inebriating liquors other than those coming from the grape.
He also states:
SHAKAR (sometimes written shechar, shekar) signifies 'sweet drink' expressed from fruits other than the grape, and drunk in an unfermented or fermented state.
If this verse is to be interpreted am meaning alcohol, it would mean that God approved of the use of alcohol, something which He Himself commanded the priests to abstain from when ministering, on penalty of death (Leviticus 10:9). The strong wine of Numbers 28:7 could not have been referring to an alcoholic beverage.
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kennethcadwell
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[TD="width: 50%"] From the old testament Hebrew lexicon.
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- strong drink, intoxicating drink, fermented or intoxicating liquor
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What comes out of the mouth? That which is in the heart.
Blasphemies such as "Jesus drank alcohol", or "Jesus gave alcoholic wine to man".
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
You don't even realize that it is the wickedness of the heart that causes man to say there is nothing wrong with that drink that God's Word says not to look upon when it is fermented.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
So what you are saying is that the translation of the Hebrew word "shekar" to "strong wine" in the KJV in Numbers 28:7 is an error.
Right?
KJV1611 (the person) and Jason0047, what say you? An error in the KJV? Or do you say that "shekar" does indeed mean "strong wine" perhaps?
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kennethcadwell
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What you confuse, is that I did not say there was nothing wrong with it.
What I said, and this is proven fact and bible supported, a glass of fermented wine is fine and has health benefits.
To drink more than that, and to get drunk off it is where it is wrong. ( At the last bite like the proverb says )
Not the first bite ( drink )
Every time you have come up with the meaning for the word used for wine in certain passages, I have come back and posted the true definition.
God made the snakes, is it His fault or yours if you go and pick it up and get bit and poisoned ?
God made the plants, is it His fault or yours if you eat of one before knowing if it is poisonous or not, and get poisoned and die ?
God made the good an the bad to serve a purpose, to have His will be done.
So let's take another verse and see how you spin this one.
Exodus 29:40: ". . . and the fourth part of an hin of wine for a drink offering." (KJV)
The context of this verse is what is to be offered at the altar of the tabernacle along with the lamb.
The Hebrew word "yayin" is translated to "wine" in this verse.
We already established that "yayin" comes from a root that means fermented.
The word "yayin" occurs 10 times previously in Genesis.
When you are done spinning Exodus 29:40, please spin those other 10 verses where "yayin' is translated to "wine" such that the wine is not alcoholic.
You can do it. Not.
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What does "strong wine" mean then?
It's on steroids or PEDs?
Don't tell me you are one of them there KJV-ONLY cultists too?
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No it did not and no it was not.
The syrup was added to wine or it was used as a paste for other foods.
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Kerry
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What did sex (with a married woman) do for King David? What will it do for you?
Sex is not inherently evil. Neither is wine that contains alcohol.
Sex and wine that contains alcohol are a blessing from God, so says Scripture.
The problem arises when you do not follow God's instructions pertaining to these blessings.
It enables them to utter perverse things. Such as, "Jesus drank alcoholic wine", and "Jesus gave alcoholic wine to man".
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Kerry
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so your children see you drinking wine and then do so them self, can you see the future, can you tell if your child will be an alcoholic? Best to leave it alone, doncha ya think?