When does the rapture occur?

PlainWord · Aug 31, 2014

Those passages used to bother me too. But I think I sorted them out.

Daniel is discussing a "NATION." The nation is obviously Israel. Was Daniel referring to events of AD 67-73 or a future event? Did Michael stand up and were "thy people delivered" back in AD 67-73? The answer seems obvious. NO!!

Christ, however, does not specifically mention "a nation." Rather Christ discusses a great tribulation or affliction the likes the world has never seen, nor will ever see again. This has a feel of "global" in scope rather than regional or limited to a nation. If so, it clearly begins when the Abomination of Desolation appears in "the Holy Place" which we all know is in Israel whether it's a future temple, Temple Mount or Jerusalem.

So, could Daniel and Christ be describing the same period? Is it possible that the Nation of Israel will face a worse hardship to come than what they endured in AD 67-73 and at the same time, can the world, or perhaps Christian world, be enduring the same devastating hardship? I don't see why not especially given that the Muslim world clearly hates Israel and all Christians.

The thrust of your point, Gary, seems to be Christ was talking about a period which is not at the end where Daniel was talking about a period at the end. Maybe, maybe not. What if the period is the same and there is a peaceful millennium to follow? Would it make sense that Israel will not endure any worse hardship as it does before Christ returns and that this period is also marked by Christian persecution but then after the Millennium when Satan is loosed there will again be Christian testing and persecution where many will fall but it won't be as bad as it will be prior to Christ's return. Although we know Jerusalem will be surrounded at the end again we also know God intervenes and destroys those who encircle the Saints. Does this idea not sound consistent with both accounts?

JesusIsAll · Aug 31, 2014

Here goes. The rapture occurs at a day and hour only God knows, which the Lord Jesus did not even know while on earth. The rapture occurs before the seals are opened by the Lord Jesus in Revelation 6, this in the presence of His raptured saints of all nations in Revelation 5. The first horseman of the four, on the white horse, is the Antichrist, who will be revealed to the world on the opening of the seals, this after the rapture.

There. Now I lay myself open for the dogs of doom to convulse over that the "blessed hope" is a lie from the pit of hell, with out of control flames and smoke spiraling off of it (get those giant font letters and exclamation marks lined up), a belief that condemns all to eternally be ripped at by rabid weasels in hell who will even read the words pretribulation rapture, but will probably leave it those of you looking for the Antichrist to come, rather than Christ to come, to discuss it amongst yourselves.

PlainWord · Aug 31, 2014

Watcher,

When prophesy has been fulfilled it has always been done so in a way for all to see such as the prophesy concerning Christ where some 300 OT prophesies came true. Same with the prophesy concerning the building of the temple. The time lines given were perfect and were confirmed. You are saying that the end of Masada could have been a year later than the traditional date. If so, then are we not to know that this prophesy was fulfilled? Was this one to have been done in secret??? I think not.

Let's assume for a moment that 1,290 can be found between the destruction of the second temple and the end at Masada. Nobody was delivered at Masada. Those who survived AD 70 fled in AD 70. They scattered then. They weren't scattered 1,290 days later. Also, did Michael stand up and deliver anyone in AD 73 or AD 74? Were all those whose names were written in the book delivered in AD 73? Did Daniel get his reward? Was it the End of Days? You are reaching my friend.

Many scholars agree that the events of Dan 11 up and until verse 34 happened during the Maccabees Revolt in the 100s BC. But most see the rest of Chapter 11 as unfulfilled. Why? Because Antiochus died in Turkey and not between the Med and Jerusalem AND because the AoD mentioned in verse 31 would have been history to Christ so there is no way Christ could have been speaking of it in Mat 24:15 as a future event.

Therefore I conclude that we had a partial fulfillment back then and the rest is future. Or we had a duel fulfillment and there is another one coming. We clearly are NOT at the end. Christ has not returned and every knee has not bowed.

The Trouble precedes the Resurrection.

There are 1,290 days from the time the daily sacrifices are taken away and the AoD is set up.

watcher2013 · Sep 1, 2014

PlainWord said:

Exactly...That is why Daniel 9:27 clearly shows a week long war that was fulfilled during the first Roman-Jewish war.

I am just saying, from the same reference (Wikipedia) there was a traditional view, and there is a proposed view.
Depending on what are your reference dates:
as again previously said: If you used your dates provided...you cannot get the 1290 days...But should the reference dates differ from your interpretation. Then there is a big probability that the 1290 days was there.

You limit the deliverance to those only at Masada...The siege at Masada was historically said to be the end of 7 years war.
The prophecy said those who were written in the book...

"and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book"

It Did not say "delivered everyone...found at MASADA...."

Php_4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life

Those who were delivered at that time of trouble were like "clement...fellowlabourers"... They survived the slaughter during the WAR...

and the text did not say..scattered at 1290, but what was said: blessed is he that wait and come to 1335 ...

Dan 12:12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

I provided a link that shows the fulfilment of Daniel 11:

I will use your argument:
Let as say that some of it were not fulfilled:
many of your scholars agree that Daniel 11 was fulfilled up until verse 34:

Meaning the abomination of verse 31 was fulfilled by the reign of Antiochus IV...
Obviously Christ was not taking about it in Matthew 24, but the future which was during the AD66-73 war. including the destruction of the temple.

The abomination of Desolation in matthew 24, mark 13, luke 21 were already fulfilled during the AD 66-73 war.
If you will have a dual fulfilment the following must be met:
1. There would be future scattering of the Children of Israel
2. There would be third gathering

Which if you found a biblical references it would be very much appreciated.

on the other hand...there would be a future power that shall overcome the land. Then Christ shall come

what was clear was there shall be a gap between them...and your 1290 days is just far reaching:

You believed that resurrection shall be at last days...what happens to the 1335....YOU DENY YOUR OWN BELIEF?

watcher2013 · Sep 1, 2014

PlainWord said:

Watcher,

When prophesy has been fulfilled it has always been done so in a way for all to see such as the prophesy concerning Christ where some 300 OT prophesies came true. Same with the prophesy concerning the building of the temple. The time lines given were perfect and were confirmed. You are saying that the end of Masada could have been a year later than the traditional date. If so, then are we not to know that this prophesy was fulfilled? Was this one to have been done in secret??? I think not.

Let's assume for a moment that 1,290 can be found between the destruction of the second temple and the end at Masada. Nobody was delivered at Masada. Those who survived AD 70 fled in AD 70. They scattered then. They weren't scattered 1,290 days later. Also, did Michael stand up and deliver anyone in AD 73 or AD 74? Were all those whose names were written in the book delivered in AD 73? Did Daniel get his reward? Was it the End of Days? You are reaching my friend.

Many scholars agree that the events of Dan 11 up and until verse 34 happened during the Maccabees Revolt in the 100s BC. But most see the rest of Chapter 11 as unfulfilled. Why? Because Antiochus died in Turkey and not between the Med and Jerusalem AND because the AoD mentioned in verse 31 would have been history to Christ so there is no way Christ could have been speaking of it in Mat 24:15 as a future event.

Therefore I conclude that we had a partial fulfillment back then and the rest is future. Or we had a duel fulfillment and there is another one coming. We clearly are NOT at the end. Christ has not returned and every knee has not bowed.

The Trouble precedes the Resurrection.

There are 1,290 days from the time the daily sacrifices are taken away and the AoD is set up.

In fact:
If you are going to used your reference:
August 20, 0070

and used 74 instead of 73

April 16, 0074

you will have exactly 1335 days.

Anonimous · Sep 1, 2014

at just the right time....................

kennethcadwell · Sep 1, 2014

watcher2013 said:

Exactly...That is why Daniel 9:27 clearly shows a week long war that was fulfilled during the first Roman-Jewish war.

I am just saying, from the same reference (Wikipedia) there was a traditional view, and there is a proposed view.
Depending on what are your reference dates:
as again previously said: If you used your dates provided...you cannot get the 1290 days...But should the reference dates differ from your interpretation. Then there is a big probability that the 1290 days was there.

You limit the deliverance to those only at Masada...The siege at Masada was historically said to be the end of 7 years war.
The prophecy said those who were written in the book...

"and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book"

It Did not say "delivered everyone...found at MASADA...."

Php_4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life

Those who were delivered at that time of trouble were like "clement...fellowlabourers"... They survived the slaughter during the WAR...

and the text did not say..scattered at 1290, but what was said: blessed is he that wait and come to 1335 ...

Dan 12:12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

I provided a link that shows the fulfilment of Daniel 11:

I will use your argument:
Let as say that some of it were not fulfilled:
many of your scholars agree that Daniel 11 was fulfilled up until verse 34:

Meaning the abomination of verse 31 was fulfilled by the reign of Antiochus IV...
Obviously Christ was not taking about it in Matthew 24, but the future which was during the AD66-73 war. including the destruction of the temple.

The abomination of Desolation in matthew 24, mark 13, luke 21 were already fulfilled during the AD 66-73 war.
If you will have a dual fulfilment the following must be met:
1. There would be future scattering of the Children of Israel
2. There would be third gathering

Which if you found a biblical references it would be very much appreciated.

on the other hand...there would be a future power that shall overcome the land. Then Christ shall come

what was clear was there shall be a gap between them...and your 1290 days is just far reaching:

You believed that resurrection shall be at last days...what happens to the 1335....YOU DENY YOUR OWN BELIEF?

If the AOD already happened then the antichrist would have already come to power, which we know has not happened.

Who stood in the temple, and claimed to be God? Nobody yet that I know of.

The book of Ezekiel gives us measurements of a temple to be built. The first and second temple do not match these measurements.

JesusLives · Sep 1, 2014

Re: When does the rapture occur?

Short answer - When Jesus Returns

Date - To be announced with a Trumpet blast and the voice of the Arch Angel.

Hint - Every Eye shall see Him.

watcher2013 · Sep 1, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

Using matthew 24:
IF THE AOD of verse 15 is the Antichrist who are the false Christs of vs 24...Are they false antichrists?

Mat 24:24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect

Tyrus -area of lebanon did claimed to be God:
Eze 28:1The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 28:2Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

But it did not enter the 1st temple...

kennethcadwell · Sep 1, 2014

watcher2013 said:

Their are many forms of false Christs that are to come forth as the bible says, but their is also one main antichrist that is to come to power in the last days.

Matthew 24:15 says,

[SUP]15 [/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Now when you go back to Daniel it says that the antichrist will stand in the temple and claim to be God, but before he does that he will make a covenant or treaty and then break it.

Titus did not fulfill this, nor did Antiochus Epiphanies.

Titus did not want the temple destroyed, but his soldiers disobeyed him and destroyed it because of their hatred for the Jews.

Antiochus Epiphanies set up an alter to Zeus in the temple, but did not claim to be God and did not make a covenant or treaty and break it. Plus when Jesus gave this as a future event to take place, they were already around 200 years past Antiochus event.

You did not answer my questions;

Who stood in the temple and claimed to be God ?

The main antichrist who is to come to power in the last days is the one who sets this AOD up, so where is this antichrist ?

watcher2013 · Sep 1, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

First, which prophecy in Daniel were you referring?
If you are referring to Daniel 9:27

The covenant was the covenant in Lev 26

This is the covenant when They walk contrary to the Law.
Lev 26:31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
Lev 26:32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
Lev 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
This was in the prayer of Daniel prior to the vision:

Dan 9:12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem

evidently:
it talks about the desolation of city and sanctuaries..
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Your question about the antichrist claiming to be God can be answered by historical facts:
Regarding Lucifer:
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

About Tyrus -the land of Lebanon
Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
Both talking of a Man...and Yet describing Lucifer the other the area of Lebanon..
both are claiming to be God and sitting on the seat of God

Lets look at 2thes 2

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Can you see how a figure of speech was used....

kennethcadwell · Sep 1, 2014

watcher2013 said:

No it is not, the covenant is made by the antichrist in the end times.

You are taking do different incidents and trying to make them fit one. Leviticus is a past event that has already taken place, and Daniel 9:27 is a future event that has not happened yet.

It is the treaty made by the antichrist in the last days, a third temple will be built, and once this third temple is built the Jews will return to daily sacrifices as they have already stated they would do. The antichrist makes a treaty with them then breaks it, and puts an end to the sacrifices and then starts to persecute and kill them. Which is why they are told to flee to Judea.

No emperor, king, etc...has fulfilled this in the past and Jesus was speaking of a future event to take place, not a past event.
Nobody from His crucifixion to now has fulfilled this.

You can not put the cart before the horse, there is still other prophecies that have yet been fulfilled that have to happen before this event. Not all the old testament prophecies have been fulfilled, if they have the antichrist would have already come to power, Jesus second coming would have then already taken place, and the 1,000 years under His reign would have or be taking place. Which can not be because there has never been a 1,000 period of world peace.

watcher2013 · Sep 1, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

No it is not, the covenant is made by the antichrist in the end times.

You are taking do different incidents and trying to make them fit one. Leviticus is a past event that has already taken place, and Daniel 9:27 is a future event that has not happened yet.

It is the treaty made by the antichrist in the last days, a third temple will be built, and once this third temple is built the Jews will return to daily sacrifices as they have already stated they would do. The antichrist makes a treaty with them then breaks it, and puts an end to the sacrifices and then starts to persecute and kill them. Which is why they are told to flee to Judea.

No emperor, king, etc...has fulfilled this in the past and Jesus was speaking of a future event to take place, not a past event.
Nobody from His crucifixion to now has fulfilled this.

You can not put the cart before the horse, there is still other prophecies that have yet been fulfilled that have to happen before this event. Not all the old testament prophecies have been fulfilled, if they have the antichrist would have already come to power, Jesus second coming would have then already taken place, and the 1,000 years under His reign would have or be taking place. Which can not be because there has never been a 1,000 period of world peace.

Daniel 9 have been fulfilled.
MAT 24, Mark 13 and luke AOd have been fulfilled.
Jesus Return is yet Future...

IF YOU ARE SO SURE About your story...

WHAT IS THE TREATY?

PlainWord · Sep 2, 2014

My Dear Friend Watcher,

Let me try a different approach with you.

What order does Christ discuss events related to Jerusalem in Mat 24 and Mark 13? The first thing He discusses is the destruction of the Temple (Mat 24:2) then later the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15), correct? Between these two events Christ discusses a period He calls, "the Beginning of Sorrows" (Mat 24:5-8). The Beginning of Sorrows contains; False Christs, Wars and Rumors of Wars, Nations rising up against Nations and Kingdoms against Kingdoms, Famines, Pestilences and Earthquakes in Various Places.

After the "Beginning of Sorrows" Christ discusses a period of Tribulation, Death for Believers, Hatred by All Nations, Offense, Betrayal, False Prophets, Lawlessness and the Love of Many Growing Cold. During this time the Gospel is being Preached to All Nations (Mat 24:9-14). Let's call this period Minor Tribulation.

So to summarize, the order Christ provides is:

1) Destruction of Temple
2) Beginning of Sorrows
3) Minor Tribulation
4) Abomination of Desolation

Are you with me so far?

How did the events of AD 67-73 unfold?

Romans breach Third Wall May 25 and capture New City.
Romans enter Second Quarter. Jews withdraw behind first wall. May 30-June 2.
Titus' divided attack on First Wall and the Antonia fail.
Romans build siege wall around city.
Romans renew assault on the Antonia. Fortress falls to Titus July 22.
Romans burn gates and enter Temple courtyards. On August 10 Temple destroyed by fire.
Romans burn the Lower City. September 2?
Romans assault Herod's Palace and enter the Upper City. Resistance ends on September 26.

Obviously we see the Temple Destroyed in Mat 24:2 which ties to AD 70. So after the Temple is destroyed we need to find the Beginning of Sorrow and the Minor Tribulation before the Abomination of Desolation. Perhaps we can find a Minor Tribulation as Jesus discusses after the Temple is destroyed as Rome continues its assault on all Jews but where is the Beginning of Sorrows? More importantly, how can the A of D be set up if there is no temple?

You locate the A of D before the Temple is destroyed but Christ does not give that sequence. Further, most of the disciples (Peter and Paul included) were killed before AD 70. So their deaths could not have been part of the Minor Tribulation because Christ locates that after the Temple is destroyed just as He locates the Beginning of Sorrows after the Temple is destroyed.

Question: How can Titus (or anyone) set up the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple if the Temple has been destroyed???

Daniel provides this in CH-11:

31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

Please note the order:

1) Forces are mustered
2) Sanctuary Fortress will be defiled
3) Daily Sacrifices Taken Away
4) Abomination of Desolation is set up there.

There is no mention of the temple or sanctuary being destroyed anywhere in Daniel 11 or 12. In fact the Sanctuary Fortress (many call Temple) must be intact for the Abomination of Desolation to be set up, right? In AD 70 it was the destruction of the Temple that took away the daily sacrifices but here the temple is not destroyed, it must be standing.

Conclusion: There must be a 3rd Temple or a new Sanctuary Fortress built before the events of Dan 11:31 can take place.

Tinkerbell725 · Sep 2, 2014

TBA

When we least expect it, like a thief in the night

When everyone has been reached out and heard the Gospel.

Maybe when God decides to give up like in the times of Noah.

PlainWord · Sep 2, 2014

watcher2013 said:

No, you get 1,353 days. 988 + 365 = 1353, not 1335. Close but no cigar.

Besides, look at Dan 12 again.

9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."

The passage begins with talking about the "time of the end" and concludes with "the end of the days." In the middle you have the A of D discussed and the 1,290 and 1,335 days discussed. Thus, these days occur towards the very end and not AD 70-73 or 74. As I've stated repeated, you don't even have an A of D in AD 70 set up because the temple was destroyed.

Who was blessed at Masada? They all died.

watcher2013 · Sep 2, 2014

PlainWord said:

I am with you...but you are not with the text...

first, you did not quote any of my latest comment above:
Do you agree then that if we used your reference...and used the year 74 instead of 73 you will arrive exactly at 1335 days?

2nd You are trying to build up stories to match your belief rather believing what the text said:

Here is an example:
Mat 24:14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

verse 14 is between the destruction of the temple and the abomination... DOES THIS MEAN THE "END" comes first before the AoD? Obviously not...

at the beginning Jesus talks about the Destruction of the temple

vs1-2)
Then the disciples asked for: (vs 3)
1. When these things be (destruction of the Temple)
2. When signs of thy coming
3. End of the world...

Notice that from verse 4-14 Jesus was discussing the beginning of Sorrows up to the End...

Beginning of Sorrows:
-False Christ (vs.5)
-wars
-famine
-PESTILENCE

tHEN

gOSPEL PREACHED INTO ALL NATIONS

THEN THE END...

I hope you are still with me...verses 4-14 is a picture
From the beginning of Sorrows up until the End...

Now Jumps verse 15: Aod

the warning when they see the Aod:
a. flee - (16-20)
b. because there would be great tribulation:vs 21
c. False Christ vs.23-24 (PArt of the Beginning of Sorrows)

The question about the destruction of the temple is now in discussion...in verse 15.

The same way they manage to loot the temple.

According to your scholars Dan 11 up to verse 34 were fulfilled...and that includes verse 31

and according to Josephus there was AoD during Antiochus IV

from Book 1
. The king being thereto disposed beforehand, complied with them, and came upon the Jews with a great army, and took their city by force, and slew a great multitude of those that favored Ptolemy, and sent out his soldiers to plunder them without mercy. He also spoiled the temple, and put a stop to the constant practice of offering a daily sacrifice of expiation for three years and six months

and in 1 Maccabees 1
54 Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side;

watcher2013 · Sep 2, 2014

PlainWord said:

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Total 1335

blessed are those who COME (alive) and wait till 1335...not blessed are those in Masada....
those who survived the Jewish war...

PlainWord · Sep 2, 2014

Since we know that the Abomination of Desolation appears towards the End of Days from Dan 12 and we know that the A of D is mentioned in Dan 11:31 and that they are the same A of D, then it is obvious that Christ was speaking of an A of D at the "End of Days" in Mat 24:15 and not some mysterious A of D from AD 70 that nobody can identify. The Temple being destroyed ended the daily sacrifices it was not the A of D. We know this because Daniel tells us the A of D comes 1,290 days after the sacrifices are taken away.

This A of D will be in place 45 days where the whole world will be tempted to worship it.

watcher2013 · Sep 2, 2014

PlainWord said:

Daniel 11 was fulfilled...The Aod of verse Dan11:31 was fulfilled by Antiochus IV.

In Mat 24, Christ was talking of future abomination...stand in holy place..
Holy place may mean ... the holy of holies, the temple or Jerusalem (the Holy Land).
We know that Mat 24, Mark 13 and luke 21 are parallel events:

and this is undeniable:
Luke:Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Mark
Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
THE AoD of Mat and Mark is when you see JERUSALEM COMPASSED WITH ARMIES...

When does the rapture occur?

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