What does the Law REALLY say?

[seed_time_harvest]

I see the scripture that you gave and I wanted to ask you if any man was able to fulfill that scripture in Exodus 19:5-6;And if any man were not able to fulfill it,then I would wonder since we know that GOD is fair,why would he give them that scripture?

Good question. I would say that because God is fair and just, it is possible for man to follow obey the Law. Perfectly? Of course not. Fortunately, that's why God offered atonement.

Hello Kohenmatt
Sounds like you are saying that a person should try to do the law given by Moses until they realize they need a savoir who is perfect not only outwardly but also inwardly?

 

[just-me]

Will need some time to read. Will get back.

Don't you see Armageddon is rehearsing in many Christian circles including CC?

LOL It seems that way sometimes. Take your time reading my friend. By the way, I was really blessed when writing, and I wanted to share. The church today could sure put to use the principles in the feasts. Just to give you a heads up. The feast of tabernacles entails everything from Passover on through the 7th month. It's beautiful!

 

[john832]

Hello Kohenmatt
Sounds like you are saying that a person should try to do the law given by Moses until they realize they need a savoir who is perfect not only outwardly but also inwardly?

I find it interesting that the Law is attributed to Moses. Moses was simply the transcriptionist. God would have spoken all but the people would have none of it...

The scenario is that God had just spoken the Ten Commandments to the people and they were frightened witless...

Exo 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

So they begged Moses to be the go between. He listened to what God said and then repeated it to the people.

Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
Exo 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

The Law was given by Almighty God, not Moses...

Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Do you really believe this One Lawgiver is Moses?

 

[just-me]

Hello Kohenmatt
Sounds like you are saying that a person should try to do the law given by Moses until they realize they need a savoir who is perfect not only outwardly but also inwardly?

Just because the physical concepts of the temple ordinances are completed in Christ doesn't mean they have lost their spiritual significance. Our response to God's law concerning love are found detailed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Those applications still apply in the physical principles thereof, not by works minus faith, but by faith that makes them work.

 

[KohenMatt]

But what about nailing?

Sorry Matt if I had derail much....

Nope, go right ahead.

 

[KohenMatt]

Hello Kohenmatt
Sounds like you are saying that a person should try to do the law given by Moses until they realize they need a savoir who is perfect not only outwardly but also inwardly?

Nope, I'm saying that obedience to whatever God says, including the law, should be an intentional response to His merciful salvation, regardless of whether we fail or succeed.

 

[Elin]

He was sacrificed outside the city because his sacrifice was not of the Temple order
of the Aaronic priesthood,
it was of a new order (Heb 7-10), the old order was now passed away.

The new order with the new covenant,
the new priesthood - of Melchizedek, consisting of believers,
the new High Priest - Christ Jesus, who offered
the new sacrifice - once-for-all, and
the new law - of Christ (Mt 22:37-40)

had replaced the old order which now was passing away (Heb 7:11-12, 18-19, 8:13).

The Bereans apparently didn't have the NT books and
were able to verify that He's the Messiah from the OT - so my question is, how?

From the 120+ OT Scriptures pointed out to the Bereans that were fulfilled in him; e.g.

Ge 3:15; Ex 12:46; Nu 24:17-19; Dt 21:13;

2 Sa 7:12; 1Chr 17:11-14;

Job 19:25-27; Ps 110:1-7; Pr 30:4;

Is 7:14; Jer 31:15; Eze 34:23-24; Da 2:34-35; Hos 11:1; Joel 2:28-32;
Am 8:9; Mic 5:1-5; Hab 2:14; Zec 11:12-13; Mal 4:2-3.

I was looking for references regarding my earlier question:
But why was He hanged death outside the city when the animal for the sacrifice
is slaughtered at the altar within the temple?

guess JaumeJ has given the answer in Deuteronomy 21:22-23.

Dt 21:22-23 - "If a man guilty of a capital offense is put to death and his body is hung on a tree,
you must not leave his body on the tree overnight.
Be sure to bury him the same day, because
anyone who is hung on a tree is God's curse.
You must not desecrate the land the LORD
your God is giving you as an inheritance."

The man was first executed and then hung on a tree (impaled on a pole).

So you're saying that because Jesus was guilty of a capital offense (our sin),
he was "hung on a tree" rather than slaughtered at the Temple?

 

[Elin]

"Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." (Dt 21:23)

"Tree" in NT times was used to refer to stocks and poles on which bodies were impaled.

Here it is used of the cross (Ac 5:30, 10:39; 1Pe 2:24).

But what about nailing?

If nailing is your issue, you can be hung up there with nails, or ropes, or torn rags.

You're still hanging on the wood.

 

[Elin]

I find it interesting that the Law is attributed to Moses. Moses was simply the transcriptionist.

No, it's not. It's simply called that because Israel received it from God via Moses.

Israel, as well as orthodox Christianity, never thought the law originated with Moses.

Why would you say that?

 

[Elin]

Our response to God's law concerning love are found detailed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
Those applications still apply in the physical principles thereof, not by works minus faith, but
by faith that makes them work.

You could use a slow reading of Galatians, for starters.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do you really believe this One Lawgiver is Moses?

of course GOD gave it to Moses
Are you O.k.
lol

 

[Elin]

Nope, I'm saying that obedience to whatever God says, including the law, should be an intentional response to His merciful salvation, regardless of whether we fail or succeed.

So one should be obedient to whatever God says, including Levitical ceremonial law.

So does that obedience include obedience to
Gal 3:3-9, 14, 4:9-11, 21-31 and

the setting aside of the old order (old wine skin),
replacing it with the new order (new wine skin) of Heb 7-10?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Just because the physical concepts of the temple ordinances are completed in Christ doesn't mean they have lost their spiritual significance. Our response to God's law concerning love are found detailed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Those applications still apply in the physical principles thereof, not by works minus faith, but by faith that makes them work.

Just know that you can't mix things under the law with grace.
Its either all you or all JESUS.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Nope, I'm saying that obedience to whatever God says, including the law, should be an intentional response to His merciful salvation, regardless of whether we fail or succeed.

Wheather you fail or succeed?
Sounds to me like you are saying as long as you try.

 

[just-me]

Just know that you can't mix things under the law with grace.
Its either all you or all JESUS.

Can we mix God's Word with His Son's word in the New covenant or has God's words somehow changed when He said He doesn't? The wine is what is contained in the wineskins. Right? The words are what's contained in the covenant of the old testament and the new. How are we gonna deal with that? Do we throw away what we cannot understand? (Rhetorically speaking) Does not the Spiritual applications of God's word trump the carnal application of the man? It's what the covenant contains that matters not the container.

 

[vic1980]

Last reply to this thread no more after this one, hope it is simple to everyone.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

How to walk in the spirit down below

Living by the Spirit

Galatians 5:22-24

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Thee diffrent of walking according to the flesh, rather that the spirit.

Romans 8:5

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:19-21

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


If there anyone that adds to these simple instruction to a beliver in Jesus Christ, scripture proves that they do not have the truth in them.

Living by the Spirit has nothing to do with observing sabbath, special days and months, and seasons and years!

Re-read Galatians 5 Living by the spirit ,this is the only way you can uphold law.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

This is exactly what Paul spoke upon in romans about upholding the Law.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

one more time simple.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Law 3551 nomos

Strong's Concordance

nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law​

Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

God bless

 

[KohenMatt]

Wheather you fail or succeed?
Sounds to me like you are saying as long as you try.

Yep. Because the goal is our relationship with our Father. Not perfection.

Just like an earthly father with his kids.

 

[KohenMatt]

So one should be obedient to whatever God says, including Levitical ceremonial law.

So does that obedience include obedience to
Gal 3:3-9, 14, 4:9-11, 21-31 and

the setting aside of the old order (old wine skin),
replacing it with the new order (new wine skin) of Heb 7-10?

Yep. If God wrote it all, and said to do it forever, then we should do it all. Any other conclusion is due to man's faulty interpretation.

 

[Elin]

So one should be obedient to whatever God says, including Levitical ceremonial law.

So does that obedience include obedience to
Gal 3:3-9, 14, 4:9-11, 21-31 and

the setting aside of the old order (old wine skin),
replacing it with the new order (new wine skin) of Heb 7-10?

Yep. If God wrote it all, and said to do it forever, then we should do it all.
Any other conclusion is due to man's faulty interpretation.

You didn't address the teaching of the NT Scriptures that God wrote which present newer revelation
by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

 

[KohenMatt]

You didn't address the teaching of the NT Scriptures that God wrote which present newer revelation
by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Galatians is talking about salvation and righteousness through obedience.

I am not.

Therefore, salvation and obedience work together perfectly.