BORN AGAIN - How intimate is your relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD?
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Actually, the topic at hand speaks of one having an intimate relationship with Christ or not. For can one hate (with one's words) and still have God living within them and know the intimacy of His love? What is the purpose of talking about His love if we are not to share that love with other people or to correct others who show (by what they do) that they do not know Him? Notice how he did not share His intimacy with Christ but I have; And in my doing so, I was attacked because of it. This is nothing new. The apostles were attacked (verbally and physically) for their intimacy with Christ. But this is something I am glad to do in service to Christ and in knowing Him. For I know that any worthwhile relationship, there is going to be challenges. For what Christ did for me and continues to do for me goes way beyond words. Sure, I can try to describe it. But the joy, the love, the peace that one has in Christ is undescribeable. It makes one feel like screaming on the roof tops that Jesus (God) loves you. It makes one feel like crying in happiness. It makes one feel like singing a new song that one has never heard before but comes to one's lips, none the less. For I desire so much to one day see all those who cheered in Heaven over the sinners that have repented. I desire so much to see my Lord and Savior and for Him to come quickly. That is how much I intimately love Him and know Him. Can my accuser (Who says I am a liar when he clearly knew I was using slang) say the same? I wait for him to speak of His testimony of God's love and how that love has spilled over unto all peoples.
For if one attacks my testimony of my walk with Christ, they are actually attacking the One in whom I love. For Jesus said that that when others persecute you, it is not you that they hate, but it is Christ. But there is hope. We don't have to hate one another. We can listen to God and believe that He commanded us to love all other people. For Jesus is in the life changing business. A change whereby we will love God and all other people. Love. For God is love. That is what I want for everyone. A love for even my enemies or those who appear to be against me.
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I thought the topic was a 2 parter. Being born again and your relationship with Christ. Ive provided plenty of scripture about being born again but just as many other scriptures the most will simply ignore and the rest stick their head in the sand. As for them that claim they know Him......
MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.
PSALMS 119 [113] I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.[114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.[115] DEPART FROM ME, YE EVILDOERS: FOR I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD.[116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.
Depart from me! Seems there will be many people who will be saying “I believe” when Jesus returns. Who had talked of Jesus and spoke in his name. Some that even have cast out devils in the name of Jesus. But “in that day” Jesus will say to “the many”, depart from me...I never knew you.
1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Theres the people who know God and will be saved. They that observe to keep Gods 10 commandments. Read the 4th. Remember....
TITUS 1 [13] This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; [14] Not giving heed to Jewish fables, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, that turn from the truth. [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, AND DISOBEDIENT, and unto every good work reprobate.
In Titus you will find people that profess they know God (they say they believe) but in works they deny Him. They do not know God. So according to scripture it is just not enough to simply say you believe. Theres a lot more to it.
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Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. {THAT IS BORN AGAIN}
In addition to that, I hope HE COMES SOON AND VERY SOON!
1 Corinthians 15:53 is talking about our PHYSICAL TRANFORMATION when we a re raised from the dead or CAUGHT UP with HIM in the Clouds to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. It is not talking about when we were saved and our human spirit were brought to eternal life.
Okay, then READ:
Luke 19:9-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “Today salvation has come to this house,” Jesus told him, “because he too is a son of Abraham.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save the lost.”
Luke 23:43 (HCSB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And He said to him, “I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise.”
John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But to all who did receive Him, He gave them the right to be children of God, to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.
{THAT IS BORN AGAIN}
Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,
Romans 10:9-10 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {NOT just profess it} with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For He says: I heard you in an acceptable time, and I helped you in the day of salvation. Look, now is the acceptable time; now is the day of salvation.
Acts 2:39-42 (NKJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
John 3:36 (GW)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, he will see God's constant anger.”
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2 Peter 3:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
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It is true that we are born again (spiritually) the moment we repent (or acknowledge) our sins and accept Jesus Christ as our Savior (i.e. to believe in Jesus) (See the "Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee" on who was more justified - Luke 18:9-14). But it is just as equally true that only the person who is truly born of God (by the Word) and who had root in God's Word will bring forth much fruit and obey God's commands. This does not mean a believer will be 100% perfect at the start of the race, but they will repent and confess their sins (1 John 2:1; 1 John 1:9) and strive to walk with God and His good ways (Perfecting holiness in the fear of God - 2 Corinthians 7:1). For what Paul had written to us was the Lord's Commands (1 Corinthians 14:37), just as what Jesus said to us during His ministry was the Lord's commands. In other words, a true born again (Spirit filled) believer will eventually be guided into the truth of obeying the New Testament (NT) Commands and not the Old Testament (OT) Commands. The OT Law of Moses was fulfilled in Jesus Christ upon the cross; For those ordinances that were against us was nailed to the cross (Colossians 2:14); In fact, Jesus said shortly sometime before the cross that the Old Covenant was about to vanish away (Hebrews 8:13). This is why Jesus said that the wine at the Last Supper represented his blood that was shed for the remission of sins for the New Testament. This is why Jesus said we are not to put new wine into old wine skins (i.e. To mix the New Covenant Commands with the Old Covenant Commands). It's why the Temple veil was torn. It's why the Jew (at the wedding of Cana) could no longer use the OT ceremonial washing containers (filled with the water) anymore because it was filled with Jesus' new wine (that represented His blood). The NT Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) or the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2) or the royal law (James 2:8) is about love. For the two greatest commandments is love focused (Matthew 22:36-40): To love God and to love your neighbor as yourself. For to love your neighbor is the fulfilling of the Law (Romans 13:8-10); For love will be present in a true believer's life because it is one of the major fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22). This "fruit of love" is the proof in the pudding that the "love of God" is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5) (Thereby confirming we are truly "born again" when we first initially repented of our sins and accepted Him as our Savior - Staying rooted in His Word (i.e. the Word of God)).
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I want to say I love you DC. Perhaps I was a little harsh and quick to jump to conclusions. But then again, so were you. You questioned a word within my post, that placed one of my testimonies of Jesus Christ (Within my life) into question. I seen that as an attack against the One in whom I love. I apologize for questioning your salvation. But you have to realize that you first attacked my testimony of Jesus Christ. You were poking holes in it by saying that one of my words was a lie. Which is not true. I was using slang (Which is how Americans and many other cultures naturally speak). Anyways, I want to say that I do apologize for questioning your salvation. It is true that such a thing is ultimately God's decision; And things can change between now and the Judgment. But I also realize that the Word of God cannot lie, either. The Scriptures say we are to love one another. I don't believe we cannot love and also be Christian. I seen your post as an attack against my testimony that was not done in love (Which I believed to be Anti-Christian).
In any event, I hope you understand where I am coming from.
My desire is to an extend an olive branch to you in love and peace.
Anyways, may God's love shine upon you in a great way today.
And may He bless you greatly.
Water does not save, it is the spiritual baptism of being immersed into the spiritual body of CHRIST that saves.
1 Corinthians 12:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Colossians 3:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.
Christian Water Baptism is part of our WALK of OBEDIENCE (preferably the first step), NOT PART OF OUR SALVATION, which must have taken place in your heart bringing your once dead human spirit to Eternal life, before you ever climb into the Baptistry. If NOT you are a dry sinner climbing in, and a wet sinner climbing out.
BESIDES, if you were saved, YOU WERE NOT SAVED for SELF. You were saved to help lead others to believe in CHRIST.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not from works, so that no one can boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them.
Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Matthew 7:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
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Ella85
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This is really interesting you have pointed this out.
I think DC was trying to make a valid point.
It is true that we should love our enemies but lets not forget we are on a Christian website where it is ok to have a general different point of view.
Just like you had your say about how Catholics practice "evil" which would be categorizing this religion, and showing no love towards them only ridiculing them.
Acting like you are holier than thou will resort to you receiving the responses you have been.
Your answers are not always correct and it is always nice to take a humble approach.
Jesus gave us no "BUT" in His command in loving our enemies (Matthew 5:44)
You either love your enemies as Jesus Commanded or you don't love your enemies as Jesus Commanded.
It is not wrong for me to point out false beliefs and to expose false teachings. The Scriptures say to not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather to reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). Jesus and the apostles did that all the time. There is a difference between exposing false teachings and in loving another brother who cllaims to be a believer in Jesus Christ and the Bible (As their final word of their authority).
Catholicism is highly unbiblical because they don't make the Bible their sole authority and they pray to Mary (and other saints), and they bow down to statues, horde great riches that could help the poor. In fact, Jesus warned of holy men who dress in garbs so as to be seen. I desire to not be seen. I desire to work in secret so that I can be rewarded by my Father. To love in secret. To pray in secret. To give in secret. Just as Jesus talked about. Catholicism is the opposite of that. It's about looking holy in front of others. It's about pagan practices and the worship to dead people and idolatry. How can you not see it? It's such an obviously false institution. It's Mystery Babylon of Revelation. There are a ton of parallels of the RCC and Revelation 17-18. My exposing the RCC's sinful deeds is to get them to repent. In other words, it is not wrong or unloving of me to tell a person who has a drinking problem that they need to seek professional help to stop drinking or they are going to die. But does that mean I do not pray for people who are deceived? No. Does that mean I hate people when I expose their sin so as to get them to repent? No. I love them and desire them to have a true relationship with Jesus Christ.
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Anyways, getting back on topic (on our intimacy or walk with God),
It is so awesome how God talks to us thru life. We can see God speak to us the same message over and over in a sermon, a video, a book, an article, a situation happening in our lives. God just seems to know what we need in our study of His Word and our spiritual walk with Him. Sometimes, the Lord will just want us to know a certain passage in a powerful way, too.
For example:
Back when I lived in Ohio: There was this baby deer that was living in my back yard once for about two weeks. It's mother would come by and feed it and then leave. However, it would make noises to it's mother at night, which would sometimes make it hard for me to sleep. So the one day, I was presented with an opportunity to get rid of this baby deer safely. So I decided to put on my black rubber work gloves and go outside in order to grab him gently and throw him over the chain link fence back into the forest where it's mother was at.
So I walked really slow and got really close to him; And just when I was about to grab him, he quickly bolted to the front of the house. This scared me a little, because I did not want the little guy getting hit by any cars in the front of the house, seeing I live on a busy street. However, when I got to the front of the house, he did not go near the traffic of the road, which was good. So he started to move back towards the back yard again. However, this time he went into the neighbor's back yard. This was perfect because they had a gate to their back yard so I could close it behind me, ensuring my capture of the little guy.
So I pinned him behind some stacked up wood behind the neighbor's shed and I grabbed him. He was kicking and screaming as I held him in my hands; And then I threw him over the chain link fence back into the forest. He landed safely on the other side of the fence; And later, I eventually seen him reunite with his mother (Which put me at ease).
However, afterwards I kept thinking to myself of how scared this baby deer was when I was holding it in my hands. I mean, it had no idea what I was going to do it. It probably thought I was trying to either eat it or hurt it in some way. In fact, I could actually feel the fear dripping off of this poor little guy.
Anyways, later that evening, when I was watching a video on "YouTube" by Chuck Missler, as per my usual routine thru out the week (back then), he told me about the following passages ...
Isaiah 13:11a - " And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity ..."
Isaiah 13:13 - "Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger."
Isaiah 13:14 - "And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land."
So I said to myself. What is a "roe"?
So I looked it up on the internet and low and behold, a roe is a baby deer! Here I was just a few hours earlier chasing a baby deer and I could feel it's fear in the fact that I was chasing it. This was a passage that God wanted to show me. He wanted to show me that the world will one day run in fear as the chased roe when God (i.e. Jesus Christ) will return to end all evil and iniquity. It was powerful!
It is so awesome how God talks to us thru life. We can see God speak to us the same message over and over in a sermon, a video, a book, an article, a situation happening in our lives. God just seems to know what we need in our study of His Word and our spiritual walk with Him. Sometimes, the Lord will just want us to know a certain passage in a powerful way, too.
For example:
Back when I lived in Ohio: There was this baby deer that was living in my back yard once for about two weeks. It's mother would come by and feed it and then leave. However, it would make noises to it's mother at night, which would sometimes make it hard for me to sleep. So the one day, I was presented with an opportunity to get rid of this baby deer safely. So I decided to put on my black rubber work gloves and go outside in order to grab him gently and throw him over the chain link fence back into the forest where it's mother was at.
So I walked really slow and got really close to him; And just when I was about to grab him, he quickly bolted to the front of the house. This scared me a little, because I did not want the little guy getting hit by any cars in the front of the house, seeing I live on a busy street. However, when I got to the front of the house, he did not go near the traffic of the road, which was good. So he started to move back towards the back yard again. However, this time he went into the neighbor's back yard. This was perfect because they had a gate to their back yard so I could close it behind me, ensuring my capture of the little guy.
So I pinned him behind some stacked up wood behind the neighbor's shed and I grabbed him. He was kicking and screaming as I held him in my hands; And then I threw him over the chain link fence back into the forest. He landed safely on the other side of the fence; And later, I eventually seen him reunite with his mother (Which put me at ease).
However, afterwards I kept thinking to myself of how scared this baby deer was when I was holding it in my hands. I mean, it had no idea what I was going to do it. It probably thought I was trying to either eat it or hurt it in some way. In fact, I could actually feel the fear dripping off of this poor little guy.
Anyways, later that evening, when I was watching a video on "YouTube" by Chuck Missler, as per my usual routine thru out the week (back then), he told me about the following passages ...
Isaiah 13:11a - " And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity ..."
Isaiah 13:13 - "Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger."
Isaiah 13:14 - "And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land."
So I said to myself. What is a "roe"?
So I looked it up on the internet and low and behold, a roe is a baby deer! Here I was just a few hours earlier chasing a baby deer and I could feel it's fear in the fact that I was chasing it. This was a passage that God wanted to show me. He wanted to show me that the world will one day run in fear as the chased roe when God (i.e. Jesus Christ) will return to end all evil and iniquity. It was powerful!
The Word of GOD is what it means by what it says, not the Translation you use. They all mean the same thing. Besides the King James is a paraphrase because they used large portions of earlier English Translations, and Latin translation, instead of translating from original language manuscripts, for the most part of their work. READ the The Origninal Preface of the 1611 KJV, and you will find that the Translation team admitted that is what they did. King James Version Original Preface
I have 10 translations open on my WORDsearch 10 open at all times, AND I search all ten Translations simultaneously, and the results show up on ONE list. The first one that my eyes fall on, is the one I use, because it is just faster that way. I have have NO PROBLEM with any one of the 10 Translations that I have open, but my LEAST FAVORITE is the GW and KJV is only one above that in my opinion. It has NOTHING to do with what I want to HEAR. But it apparently has everything to do with what all you want to hear, and that being The Ole King James.
It just proves they were humble about their work. It doesn't prove that God did not choose to use such a translation which would be the perfect Word of God for our day (i.e. the 1769 (1611) KJV).
I read and quote from Modern Translations all the time. They are helpful in updating the language when comparing it with the KJV. However, they are not my final Word of authority because they add, eliminate, and twist passages all the time. In fact, the devil puts his name within Modern Translations trying to be like the Most High. Don't have a clue what I am talking about?
Well, many Bible versions say that it is the dragon who is standing on the sea shore in Revelation. This is just evil and wrong.
See Parallel Version for Revelation 13:1 here at...
Bible Hub.
See, if you know anything about Bible language, standing on something means that you "own it"; And the devil wants to own you. In the King James, John is standing on the seashore. Yet in many Bible versions the dragon (i.e. the devil) is standing on the seashore.
Why is this a problem?
Lets look at...
Genesis 22:17
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
For certain Modern Versions eliminate the part of the passage in Revelation 13:1 that says that John is standing on the seashore (When he refers to himself as "I").
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Kerry
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Careful Jason, mant translations are a part of the ateheist agenda, don't think so
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]BLENDING ALL RELIGIONS — THE OLD RELIGIONS WILL HAVE TO GO[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Another area of discussion was RELIGION. This is an avowed atheist speaking. And he said, "Religion is not necessarily bad. A lot of people seem to need religion, with it's mysteries and rituals – so they will have religion."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] But the major religions of today have to be changed because they are not compatible with the changes to come. The old religions will have to go. Especially Christianity. Once the Roman Catholic Church is brought down, the rest of Christianity will follow easily. Then a new religion can be accepted for use all over the world. It will incorporate something from all of the old ones to make it more easy for people to accept it, and feel at home in it. Most people won't be too concerned with religion. They will realize that they don't need it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]CHANGING THE BIBLE THROUGH REVISIONS OF KEY WORDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica] In order to do this, the Bible will be changed. It will be rewritten to fit the new religion. Gradually, key words will be replaced with new words having various shades of meaning. Then, the meaning attached to the new word can be close to the old word. And as time goes on, other shades of meaning of that word can be emphasized, and then gradually that word replaced with another word.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] I don't know if I'm making that clear. But the idea is that everything in Scripture need not be rewritten, just key words replaced by other words. And the variability in meaning attached to any word can be used as a tool to change the entire meaning of Scripture, and therefore make it acceptable to this new religion. Most people won't know the difference; and this was another one of the times where he said, "the few who do notice the difference won't be enough to matter."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]THE CHURCHES WILL HELP[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Then followed one of the most surprising statements of the whole presentation: He said, "some of you probably think the churches won't stand for this," and he went on to say, "The churches will help us!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] There was no elaboration on this; it was unclear just what he had in mind when he said, "the churches will help us!" In retrospect, I think some of us now can understand what he might have meant at that time. I recall then only of thinking, "no they won't!" and remembering our Lord's words where he said to Peter, "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church, and gates of Hell will not prevail against it."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] So... yes, some people in the churches might help. And in the subsequent 20 years we've seen how some people in churches have helped. But we also know that our Lord's Words will stand, and the gates of Hell will NOT prevail.
1968 by dr richard day.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]BLENDING ALL RELIGIONS — THE OLD RELIGIONS WILL HAVE TO GO[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Another area of discussion was RELIGION. This is an avowed atheist speaking. And he said, "Religion is not necessarily bad. A lot of people seem to need religion, with it's mysteries and rituals – so they will have religion."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] But the major religions of today have to be changed because they are not compatible with the changes to come. The old religions will have to go. Especially Christianity. Once the Roman Catholic Church is brought down, the rest of Christianity will follow easily. Then a new religion can be accepted for use all over the world. It will incorporate something from all of the old ones to make it more easy for people to accept it, and feel at home in it. Most people won't be too concerned with religion. They will realize that they don't need it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]CHANGING THE BIBLE THROUGH REVISIONS OF KEY WORDS[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica] In order to do this, the Bible will be changed. It will be rewritten to fit the new religion. Gradually, key words will be replaced with new words having various shades of meaning. Then, the meaning attached to the new word can be close to the old word. And as time goes on, other shades of meaning of that word can be emphasized, and then gradually that word replaced with another word.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] I don't know if I'm making that clear. But the idea is that everything in Scripture need not be rewritten, just key words replaced by other words. And the variability in meaning attached to any word can be used as a tool to change the entire meaning of Scripture, and therefore make it acceptable to this new religion. Most people won't know the difference; and this was another one of the times where he said, "the few who do notice the difference won't be enough to matter."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]THE CHURCHES WILL HELP[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Then followed one of the most surprising statements of the whole presentation: He said, "some of you probably think the churches won't stand for this," and he went on to say, "The churches will help us!"[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] There was no elaboration on this; it was unclear just what he had in mind when he said, "the churches will help us!" In retrospect, I think some of us now can understand what he might have meant at that time. I recall then only of thinking, "no they won't!" and remembering our Lord's words where he said to Peter, "Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church, and gates of Hell will not prevail against it."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] So... yes, some people in the churches might help. And in the subsequent 20 years we've seen how some people in churches have helped. But we also know that our Lord's Words will stand, and the gates of Hell will NOT prevail.
1968 by dr richard day.[/FONT]
I don't disagree that there is a corruption of the Word of God within Modern Translations. I believe the KJV to be the divinely inspired Word of God for our day (that is perfect) and that we have to be careful about Modern Bibles. I use Modern Translations to help update the Old English. To put it to you another way, I look at Modern Translations as if I am sifting to the dirt to get to the gold (Which can be found in the KJV, and the original Greek, and Hebrew). They can be helpful sometimes, but they are not my final word of authority. I believe that authority to be the KJV 1769 (1611).
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Sometimes it is just best if we Describe it with SCRIPTURES:
Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Isaiah 48:18 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Oh, that you had heeded My commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Isaiah 48:22 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] “There is no peace for the wicked,” says the LORD.
Philippians 4:7 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 2:9-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.
Isaiah 35:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and the redeemed of the LORD will return and come to Zion with singing, crowned with unending joy. Joy and gladness will overtake ⌊them⌋, and sorrow and sighing will flee.
Isaiah 61:7 (ASV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Instead of your shame ye shall have double; and instead of dishonor they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess double; everlasting joy shall be unto them.
And sometimes a SONG can say it better than words:
<span class="ind"><span class="poetry1">[video=youtube;HcnfT4arZtI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcnfT4arZtI[/video]
Chris Tomlin - Lord I Need You - YouTube
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You have got to be kidding me? You really NEED to READ the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV, they admitted that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions. I think you will find you have put the KJV on WAY TOO HIGH OF A PEDISTAL. Here, I have pulled some excerpts out for you:
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