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Doing wrong does not justify the sin just because the result is for a good cause.
It is still a sin regardless of the reason you are committing it, and therefore still needs to be asked forgiven for.
If you do not ask forgiveness of it, and think it is fine to commit a sin to help another is the thinking of a carnal mind.
It is still a sin regardless of the reason you are committing it, and therefore still needs to be asked forgiven for.
If you do not ask forgiveness of it, and think it is fine to commit a sin to help another is the thinking of a carnal mind.
Actually, I am currently a pacifist because that is what I believe the New Testament teaches. So I believe one would not try and kill the other person in self defense. Jesus said do not resist evil but overcome evil with good. However, when this body is gone and I will be "just spirit", I will not be a pacifist at the Lord's 2nd Coming. For his saints will follow him into destroying those evil nations that have not repented.
What is the difference between right now and at the Lord's second coming that would change your perception? If you are not going to be a pacifist in the hereafter why are you one now? Very few serving in the military relish the idea of killing someone in a war. Somebody has to be brave and have conviction to protect the innocent at the cost of their own life, even to save the life of a pacifist.
I adore my wife and daughter. A woman led me to Christ. I love women in general. It's unimaginable to me that any man would attack a woman.
For any woman who is reading this, I'm sorry for anything you were offended by in any of my posts. For any woman who was abused by physically or sexually, I'm sorry I wasn't there to stop it. I have only one thing more to say.
For any woman who is reading this, I'm sorry for anything you were offended by in any of my posts. For any woman who was abused by physically or sexually, I'm sorry I wasn't there to stop it. I have only one thing more to say.
C
I can see where you're coming from. God ordained self defense and even the death penalty. I don't know I would specifically ask for forgiveness if I was forced to take a life, but it would have a heavy weighing event that would stay with me the rest of my life. That's why I have so much respect for law enforcement.
K
God did side with the death penalty in the covenant of the OT when He said, " If man sheds mans blood, by man his blood shall be shed and the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.
But our Lord Jesus said in the new covenant we are under, NO.
We are to love, minister, and forgive them of their wrong doings. And He does not say forgive them unless they do this or that. We are to forgive them no matter what they did, just like He forgave us no matter what we have done.
We are not to be the deciders of ones life, that is to be left for our Lord to decide.
Can they be kept in prison for the rest of their life, YES. That would not be against our Lord for they are still will be facing a consequence for what they did, can be ministered to, and have a chance to repent and turn to the Lord.
Vengeance is Mine says the Lord......He makes the life and death judgment on a person, not us.
But our Lord Jesus said in the new covenant we are under, NO.
We are to love, minister, and forgive them of their wrong doings. And He does not say forgive them unless they do this or that. We are to forgive them no matter what they did, just like He forgave us no matter what we have done.
We are not to be the deciders of ones life, that is to be left for our Lord to decide.
Can they be kept in prison for the rest of their life, YES. That would not be against our Lord for they are still will be facing a consequence for what they did, can be ministered to, and have a chance to repent and turn to the Lord.
Vengeance is Mine says the Lord......He makes the life and death judgment on a person, not us.
First, it is Revelation (singular), not Revelations (plural). John's revelation from God was written down as one major Revelation. Second, those who follow Jesus are those who where wearing fine linen, which is the righteousness of the saints. Why is this important? Because they are called out to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The battle is the supper. No. We are not going to eat people. It is a metaphorical phrase from the Old Testament. It is important that we understand the fine linen represents the wedding garment in the Parable of the Banquet in Matthew 22. That person who did not have on a wedding garment (who was a Gentile) was cast into outer darkness. In other words, Gentiles will be among the saints who follow Jesus at His 2nd Coming because they have on the wedding garment from the Parable of the Banquet.
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Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
How do we find out more about the 144,000, we look at chapter 7;
Revelation 7
7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes
If you are not part of the twelve Jewish tribes you will not be the ones standing by Him on Mount Zion.
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
How do we find out more about the 144,000, we look at chapter 7;
Revelation 7
7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes
If you are not part of the twelve Jewish tribes you will not be the ones standing by Him on Mount Zion.
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OK Jason let's go with your Paul theory here. God is Sovereign and kept Paul from being killed until he had finished the work God had for him.
On the other hand with God being Sovereign He won't have someone doing something that would cause them to get in front of my bullet.
God won't have anyone die until God says so. So therefore if someone gets killed by me because they were seriously harming someone then that would be God's Sovereign will.
Can you understand that? Or is that too much for you? Do you understand the Sovereignty of God as in Noone can affect God's purposes?
On the other hand with God being Sovereign He won't have someone doing something that would cause them to get in front of my bullet.
God won't have anyone die until God says so. So therefore if someone gets killed by me because they were seriously harming someone then that would be God's Sovereign will.
Can you understand that? Or is that too much for you? Do you understand the Sovereignty of God as in Noone can affect God's purposes?