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K
I did not say they were nothing, I said they are things you should do, but you should also try to stop them.
Even if you restrain some one in a non-violent way, you are still using physical actions to stop them which is what I said.
The thing is though if you just sit there and pray and do nothing reminds me of a saying I heard;
A man was sitting on the roof of his house because a flood had trapped him there.
He prayed to God to come and save him. A man in a row boat came by and said get in, and he told the man no God will come and save me. Then a helicopter came by and they tossed out a rope and yelled for him to grab it and climb up and in, and he told them no God will come and save me.
The waters kept rising and then washed the man away and he drowned. When he stood in front of the Lord he said why did you let me die when I asked for your help. The Lord answered and said I sent you a man in a boat, and a helicopter but you sent them both away.
Even if you restrain some one in a non-violent way, you are still using physical actions to stop them which is what I said.
The thing is though if you just sit there and pray and do nothing reminds me of a saying I heard;
A man was sitting on the roof of his house because a flood had trapped him there.
He prayed to God to come and save him. A man in a row boat came by and said get in, and he told the man no God will come and save me. Then a helicopter came by and they tossed out a rope and yelled for him to grab it and climb up and in, and he told them no God will come and save me.
The waters kept rising and then washed the man away and he drowned. When he stood in front of the Lord he said why did you let me die when I asked for your help. The Lord answered and said I sent you a man in a boat, and a helicopter but you sent them both away.
K
I did answer you on that.
I do believe they are, but since Mary is an incomplete book because some was lost and Thomas has not been allowed to look at to get the true translation available to the public then no they should not be released or part of the bible tell all of Mary is found if possible and the correct translation of Thomas is done.
I do believe they are, but since Mary is an incomplete book because some was lost and Thomas has not been allowed to look at to get the true translation available to the public then no they should not be released or part of the bible tell all of Mary is found if possible and the correct translation of Thomas is done.
K
I am non-denominational because I have seen the good and bad out of denominations.
You may be part of a good church, but not all churches that belong to a certain denomination teach or follow the same teachings of each other. You have churches that are bible based, then you have churches of the same denominations that teach falsely.
I withdrew from all that because this is not the division the Lord talked about bringing, putting Christians against other Christians because they throw in personal philosophies, traditions, and customs that interfere with Gods word.
I stick to the bible and what it teaches, and also am at the beginning stages of study the original Greek and Hebrew that the scriptures were written in. I believe this is important to teach the truth, because in studying the original words of scripture I have found how some have been wrongfully translated or giving the wrong context by those who just take the English translation as fact.
You may be part of a good church, but not all churches that belong to a certain denomination teach or follow the same teachings of each other. You have churches that are bible based, then you have churches of the same denominations that teach falsely.
I withdrew from all that because this is not the division the Lord talked about bringing, putting Christians against other Christians because they throw in personal philosophies, traditions, and customs that interfere with Gods word.
I stick to the bible and what it teaches, and also am at the beginning stages of study the original Greek and Hebrew that the scriptures were written in. I believe this is important to teach the truth, because in studying the original words of scripture I have found how some have been wrongfully translated or giving the wrong context by those who just take the English translation as fact.
K
It is not that they don't accept it. It is that they do not teach them because they are not in the bible, and I can understand that.
We don't need anything more but what is in the bible to know about salvation, and what one needs to do to get it.
Those two books don't make a difference in salvation, that is why they do not matter. But you must understand that there are way more books, epistles that were written by the Apostles and other disciples that were not included in the final canon that we now have as our bible. It does not mean they are not as important, as in mans writings who were inspired by God.
This is not my religion, and I still teach our Lord Jesus and what He did for us.
And how we must repent of our sins, ask forgiveness of future sins, forgive others of their sins, confess Him before men, be baptized, and live a life of love helping others in need with what I have been given by our Lord to help them. Letting the Holy Spirit guide me in my life.
How is this my own religion, for all of this is in the bible and all of it is what our Lord Jesus Christ said.
We don't need anything more but what is in the bible to know about salvation, and what one needs to do to get it.
Those two books don't make a difference in salvation, that is why they do not matter. But you must understand that there are way more books, epistles that were written by the Apostles and other disciples that were not included in the final canon that we now have as our bible. It does not mean they are not as important, as in mans writings who were inspired by God.
This is not my religion, and I still teach our Lord Jesus and what He did for us.
And how we must repent of our sins, ask forgiveness of future sins, forgive others of their sins, confess Him before men, be baptized, and live a life of love helping others in need with what I have been given by our Lord to help them. Letting the Holy Spirit guide me in my life.
How is this my own religion, for all of this is in the bible and all of it is what our Lord Jesus Christ said.
E
Many would say that Marine Corps doctrine (or military doctrine as a whole) is demonic. Especially with what you have just said, that just seems to add to that statement. This is even coming from non-pacifists in the military. I've talked to a number of people who have admitted that the military is not a good place for Christians and the stuff we do can be satanic.
E
Jason, I don't think they are going to relent an inch until you say that killing an unbeliever in self defense/defense of others is okay even though the New Testament defines a better way both biblically and historically.
This is what happens when your culture clashes with Christianity. You have divorced people remarrying and saying "Well ya know...Jesus couldn't possibly have meant....He wouldn't want me to be lonely! The flesh wants what it wants!" You have Christians getting abortions in China under the one child law and saying "We must submit to the authorities...even if it means disobeying God and murdering our children...but it's not really us murdering if we are just obeying the government...." And you have Christians marching around with AK-47's under a biblical interpretation that under any other circumstances they would have ridiculed someone for using. Trying to find obscure and non-doctrinal verses in the New Testament to back up what you are beliving like the Mormons use "there's a difference between celestial bodies and terrestial bodies" to somehow come up with the doctrine that there are three levels of heaven and absolutely no hell and then if that's not good enough, let's refer back to Old Testament laws even though we know things are different now. But because their modern day culture agrees with it and it sounds right to their understanding, there is no backlash.
Under the same interpretation, I can bring back polygamy. What about Abraham and his wives? What about David and his wives? These were men after God's heart! You have to take the WHOLE Bible into account guys. I know there's verses in the New Testament about one man and one woman (just like i know there's verses against violence) but that's just for certain circumstances like if I was going to be a bishop or a deacon. Besides, isn't it natural for a man to want more than one woman?
This is why I don't want to be a cultural Christian. I don't want to allow my generation to define the Bible, I want the Bible to define my life. I want to step outside of my culture and my personal opinion of right and wrong (which many are hindered by) and ask: What does the Book say? Let's really take a look at it. Let's not hold back. Let's live for the glory of God!
This is what happens when your culture clashes with Christianity. You have divorced people remarrying and saying "Well ya know...Jesus couldn't possibly have meant....He wouldn't want me to be lonely! The flesh wants what it wants!" You have Christians getting abortions in China under the one child law and saying "We must submit to the authorities...even if it means disobeying God and murdering our children...but it's not really us murdering if we are just obeying the government...." And you have Christians marching around with AK-47's under a biblical interpretation that under any other circumstances they would have ridiculed someone for using. Trying to find obscure and non-doctrinal verses in the New Testament to back up what you are beliving like the Mormons use "there's a difference between celestial bodies and terrestial bodies" to somehow come up with the doctrine that there are three levels of heaven and absolutely no hell and then if that's not good enough, let's refer back to Old Testament laws even though we know things are different now. But because their modern day culture agrees with it and it sounds right to their understanding, there is no backlash.
Under the same interpretation, I can bring back polygamy. What about Abraham and his wives? What about David and his wives? These were men after God's heart! You have to take the WHOLE Bible into account guys. I know there's verses in the New Testament about one man and one woman (just like i know there's verses against violence) but that's just for certain circumstances like if I was going to be a bishop or a deacon. Besides, isn't it natural for a man to want more than one woman?
This is why I don't want to be a cultural Christian. I don't want to allow my generation to define the Bible, I want the Bible to define my life. I want to step outside of my culture and my personal opinion of right and wrong (which many are hindered by) and ask: What does the Book say? Let's really take a look at it. Let's not hold back. Let's live for the glory of God!
K
The thing is though is why the divorce took place. Jesus allowed divorce if it was done because of sexual immorality in the relationship which then would make it alright to remarry. Plus it does not say nothing against getting remarried if the woman was not married to begin with.
Then you mentioned Christians in China getting abortions, I have seen some that call themselves Christians here in America that believe in or have gotten abortions.
I do agree with much of what you have said though, and that is one thing I try to do on here is show others scripture like Paul tried to do. Teach scripture without mans traditions, customs, philosophies, and their own personal morals changing how they want it to say.
Then you mentioned Christians in China getting abortions, I have seen some that call themselves Christians here in America that believe in or have gotten abortions.
I do agree with much of what you have said though, and that is one thing I try to do on here is show others scripture like Paul tried to do. Teach scripture without mans traditions, customs, philosophies, and their own personal morals changing how they want it to say.
E
Huh ok what did Jesus say was the greatest commandment? OK what did he say next? Wait..what was that second one? Love your neighbors as yourself? OK according to you if I see a mass murder happening I am to sit and watch and pray (and pray I don't get shot as I am praying). Guess that's what Jesus want me to do and I'll tell Him you said that when I go before Him.
Oh wait never mind I'll take action and maybe Jesus will say "you risked your life to save others I am proud of you". Or He will say "sorry you killed someone by protecting those you don't know I can't help you."
My faith and trust in God is so strong that I am willing to kill to save innocent people that I would risk my salvation for them.
Could either of you or any other pasifist say that? Is your faith strong enough you would risk killing someone to save a life?
Oh wait never mind I'll take action and maybe Jesus will say "you risked your life to save others I am proud of you". Or He will say "sorry you killed someone by protecting those you don't know I can't help you."
My faith and trust in God is so strong that I am willing to kill to save innocent people that I would risk my salvation for them.
Could either of you or any other pasifist say that? Is your faith strong enough you would risk killing someone to save a life?
K
We are not saying to just sit back and do nothing but pray.
What at least I am saying, and I believe they are saying to is that to do what ever you can to prevent the persecution, attack, killing of another person and try if you can to have killing the attacker as a last resort.
Always try to find a better and least life threating way to stop a situation if you can. If you can not and then have to resort to killing the attacker then pray to God in the Lord Jesus name for forgiveness for having to be force to take a life.
What at least I am saying, and I believe they are saying to is that to do what ever you can to prevent the persecution, attack, killing of another person and try if you can to have killing the attacker as a last resort.
Always try to find a better and least life threating way to stop a situation if you can. If you can not and then have to resort to killing the attacker then pray to God in the Lord Jesus name for forgiveness for having to be force to take a life.
Well Ecclestiacik, I come from a staunch Irish Catholic family and the only reason divorce was permitted was for adultery, according to God's word. Never mind that my cousins husband physically abused her. That wasn't good enough reason to divorce your husband according to church doctrine. Fortunately for her, one night, he put a gun against her head (without pulling the trigger) in front of their children and she woke up from the fog you and Jason are still in.
I swear, I wish I had you and Jason in front of me right now. I would slap you so frigging silly you wouldn't know what day it was.
I swear, I wish I had you and Jason in front of me right now. I would slap you so frigging silly you wouldn't know what day it was.
