We establish the Law...but how?
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All the lost sheep need is His voice and when they hear they will follow. It's a good place to broadcast here at CC where the lost might drop by. Of course the wolves are attracted also.
The Lord never had to contend with the sheep but rather the religious leaders. The sheep would never ask if scripture is valid but rather to understand. The wolves would always challenge and accuse with scripture at face value and never go deep. I'm learning to answer posts with these examples in the NT in mind.
I'm not defending Calvin but I consider his writings, among others, valuable. In fact, I consider many writers in the 16th to 18th centuries, who did not trash the OT like many do here but did have misunderstanding of the word, valuable.
You and I might not agree on everything but we both uphold the law nevertheless
The Lord never had to contend with the sheep but rather the religious leaders. The sheep would never ask if scripture is valid but rather to understand. The wolves would always challenge and accuse with scripture at face value and never go deep. I'm learning to answer posts with these examples in the NT in mind.
I'm not defending Calvin but I consider his writings, among others, valuable. In fact, I consider many writers in the 16th to 18th centuries, who did not trash the OT like many do here but did have misunderstanding of the word, valuable.
You and I might not agree on everything but we both uphold the law nevertheless
C
The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
To some the mind governed by the Spirit definitely does not mean letting the Spirit in charge of the mind because the wordings are different.
Some rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
To some the mind governed by the Spirit definitely does not mean letting the Spirit in charge of the mind because the wordings are different.
Some rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
In context of Rom 3:31 the law is God's mirror of righteousness either written on the heart (Gentiles) or given verbally/written (Jews) in which if a man lives accordingly he is justified/ declared as righteous before God. Also in context of Rom 2 and 3, no man has attained the righteousness of the Law except One...Jesus Christ.
Thus those who point to Christ, trust in, uplift, defer to, acknowledge that, confess that He is righteous and only Him is establishing the Law as it was meant to be lived and are not pointing to themselves.
Thus those who point to Christ, trust in, uplift, defer to, acknowledge that, confess that He is righteous and only Him is establishing the Law as it was meant to be lived and are not pointing to themselves.
The law is GODs standard and in the old testament it is GODs law and we know that GOD does not change,but when the law was given the WORD of GOD/JESUS had not yet come into the world in the flesh yet,so then wouldn't a person have to keep the law without help and no man was able to keep it except JESUS.
A person saying since GOD gave it in the old testament we then should try to keep it even though we know we keep coming up short and GOD will only accept perfection(the inward man).
If you are still trying to keep it then you are still on milk and haven't learned and are still crawling.
If that's where you are then I understand but when its time to walk don't you think you should come up higher, eat meat and stop crawling.
1 Corinthians 13:11king james version(kjv)
11.)When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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And if you don't accept that then here is another scripture
2 Timothy3:7
king james version(kjv)
7.)Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
A person saying since GOD gave it in the old testament we then should try to keep it even though we know we keep coming up short and GOD will only accept perfection(the inward man).
If you are still trying to keep it then you are still on milk and haven't learned and are still crawling.
If that's where you are then I understand but when its time to walk don't you think you should come up higher, eat meat and stop crawling.
1 Corinthians 13:11king james version(kjv)
11.)When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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And if you don't accept that then here is another scripture
2 Timothy3:7
king james version(kjv)
7.)Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
C
Please define "in context" because I don't see "in context" of the book of Romans saying the law written on the heart (gentiles). In fact, the reader of Jeremiah 31 were "Jews" indicated the law is promised to be written primarily on the heart of Jews and in Romans 11 it's because of the hardening of the heart in part of the Jews that salvation comes to the gentiles. The way I see it is gentiles are grafted into the genuine Israel nation so there's only one law in the heart and no either or. Please clarify.
C
Man are "enable" to keep by atonement of sins then and now. Then typified by animal sacrifice now by His.
The Word of God said it's not too difficult in the past then taught by action Himself in the flesh.
One should ask why He could do it and why we couldn't when in Christ we are create new and have the freedom to choose between good and bad.
And spare the "are you perfect?" arguments because He said "be perfect" which is the goal to attain. He didn't have to say that if in Him we are already perfect.
The thought of erasing the law to become perfect is as absurd as throwing out all academic standards in school so everyone gets a free pass to graduation.
The Word of God said it's not too difficult in the past then taught by action Himself in the flesh.
One should ask why He could do it and why we couldn't when in Christ we are create new and have the freedom to choose between good and bad.
And spare the "are you perfect?" arguments because He said "be perfect" which is the goal to attain. He didn't have to say that if in Him we are already perfect.
The thought of erasing the law to become perfect is as absurd as throwing out all academic standards in school so everyone gets a free pass to graduation.
They were not able to keep the law in the old testament because of the of the weakness of the flesh.
GOD only accepts perfection,and since JESUS was the only one that was sin free not only in the flesh,but also inside and since GOD will only accept perfection,didn't we need someone who was/is perfect.
I hope by trying to be obedient to the law of Moses you don't feel like you are helping GOD out because if you are not keeping the law perfectly you need a savoir who was perfect or you will not be accepted.
I'm not saying throw it out.
The law was given for a reason
Its hard for tradition of men to believe its GRACE through faith.
they feel like they have to do something other than believe the WORD who GOD sent.
GOD only accepts perfection,and since JESUS was the only one that was sin free not only in the flesh,but also inside and since GOD will only accept perfection,didn't we need someone who was/is perfect.
I hope by trying to be obedient to the law of Moses you don't feel like you are helping GOD out because if you are not keeping the law perfectly you need a savoir who was perfect or you will not be accepted.
I'm not saying throw it out.
The law was given for a reason
Its hard for tradition of men to believe its GRACE through faith.
they feel like they have to do something other than believe the WORD who GOD sent.
C
They were not able because of unbelief (faithless in God) because the Word of God said the law is not difficult to keep Deuteronomy 30:11-14 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
There is a reason for Paul to quote such.
All it takes is trust in God and trust in His forgiveness.
But some trust in their own weakness and say they never will.
There is a reason for Paul to quote such.
All it takes is trust in God and trust in His forgiveness.
But some trust in their own weakness and say they never will.
I realize you are sincere in your misunderstanding, but it truly is causing a problem. So many things are not as you see them. Christ did not change the law, Christ explained it thoroughly by making the same eternal law one that includes the spirit. Christ did not cancel anything when Christ died for our sins, when Christ established the new covenant. God our creator is still our Father, our loving Father sent His son for our salvation it always was that way in eternity time. If you would read the OT with the idea of wondering if Christ changed it, and go to the NT to see that change, you would see what Christ did. Some things remains the same, and each change Christ made is based on what the OT did to prepare for Christ and is related to it.
We have one word, one God, everything is united.
We have one word, one God, everything is united.
On the heart for gentiles...
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
(Rom 2:14-15)
This of course is speaking of unregenerate Gentiles. I agree, Jeremiah's promise (Jer 31)of the new birth can be seen as a rewriting on the heart with indelible ink.
I see the Gentiles being grafted into the spiritual blessings of Abraham/Israel but not the physical (another topic for sure).
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
(Rom 2:14-15)
This of course is speaking of unregenerate Gentiles. I agree, Jeremiah's promise (Jer 31)of the new birth can be seen as a rewriting on the heart with indelible ink.
I see the Gentiles being grafted into the spiritual blessings of Abraham/Israel but not the physical (another topic for sure).
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Hello chubbena
But thats the way GOD related to the children of Isreal before JESUS came down and died on the cross and nailed the handwriting of ordinances that was against us to the cross.
Since JESUS has finished the work,don't you think a person is in a way saying that what JESUS did was not enough and i need to help out.
I think the person needs to accept the grace provided and just rest.
A person can't mix the law with grace.
Its either all GOD or its all you.
Why did JESUS even come down if HOLY GOD will only accept truth on the inside?
But thats the way GOD related to the children of Isreal before JESUS came down and died on the cross and nailed the handwriting of ordinances that was against us to the cross.
Since JESUS has finished the work,don't you think a person is in a way saying that what JESUS did was not enough and i need to help out.
I think the person needs to accept the grace provided and just rest.
A person can't mix the law with grace.
Its either all GOD or its all you.
Why did JESUS even come down if HOLY GOD will only accept truth on the inside?
B
Mention those things that remained the same after the death, burial and resurrection (DBR) of Christ and when you do, please explain the application of this verse of scripture in (2Cor 5:17)...
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
What were the old things that passed away and what are the all things that have become new?
If old things are passed away and all things have become new for those who believe in Christ, how does the law apply to those who are new creatures in Christ? How did the law apply to those who were under the law before Christ came and was crucified? After Christ's (DBR) how did the law apply to those who Christ made new creatures in Him? No man prior to the (DBR) of Christ were made new creatures, they were under the law and had to abide by the law. If Christ came only to take away the condemnation of the law, He could have done that without shedding his blood, for he could have taken away the law given it no application and premise for man to be under it. But Christ did not come to do that or to destroy the law but to fulfill it.
God through the law was not able to impute His righteousness to man because sinful man was not able to keep it through the weakness of his sinful flesh. So God sent his Son and according to (2Cor 5:19) did this...
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
How did God not impute the trespasses of the world unto them when they were guilty? He did so by vicariously imputing those trespasses onto the body of his Son and by doing so, God took away not only the condemnation of the law but every single violation of it, therefore it cancelled the purpose of the law that all men were under.
Col 2:13,14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
What were the old things that passed away and what are the all things that have become new?
If old things are passed away and all things have become new for those who believe in Christ, how does the law apply to those who are new creatures in Christ? How did the law apply to those who were under the law before Christ came and was crucified? After Christ's (DBR) how did the law apply to those who Christ made new creatures in Him? No man prior to the (DBR) of Christ were made new creatures, they were under the law and had to abide by the law. If Christ came only to take away the condemnation of the law, He could have done that without shedding his blood, for he could have taken away the law given it no application and premise for man to be under it. But Christ did not come to do that or to destroy the law but to fulfill it.
God through the law was not able to impute His righteousness to man because sinful man was not able to keep it through the weakness of his sinful flesh. So God sent his Son and according to (2Cor 5:19) did this...
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
How did God not impute the trespasses of the world unto them when they were guilty? He did so by vicariously imputing those trespasses onto the body of his Son and by doing so, God took away not only the condemnation of the law but every single violation of it, therefore it cancelled the purpose of the law that all men were under.
Col 2:13,14 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;