Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Inasmuch as water-baptism is a work, let us ask you to give a straight answer to this question, O SeaBass:
What happens to a believer in the Son of God, if he fails to get immersed?
What happens to all the Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, and Episcopalians [& other denominationals] who happen to trust Christ as Savior, but were sprinkled as babies and die without being actually being water-baptized (as defined by dipping, dunking, immersing)?
Are they roasted in the Lake of Fire with weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth?
What happens to a believer in the Son of God, if he fails to get immersed?
What happens to all the Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, and Episcopalians [& other denominationals] who happen to trust Christ as Savior, but were sprinkled as babies and die without being actually being water-baptized (as defined by dipping, dunking, immersing)?
Are they roasted in the Lake of Fire with weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth?
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Faith, Works, or Both
Nowhere in Scriptures does it teach Works in order to get Saved. That is not True. Works does not SAVE us, Faith does not SAVE us. Salvation is a free gift. HOWEVER, Scriptures are quite clear what the SAVED do, when they are SAVED by this free gift. and remember Jesus plainly tells us in Revelations that we are judged by our works. Works shows what is in a persons heart, whether good or bad.
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Just like the false teaching that says salvation is not eternal. When salvation is by the grace of God that's it. But those who argue against eternal life, eternal salvation, claim people can do something to lose their salvation. Well, if they could do something to lose salvation they could then do something to gain it. Which puts God's grace out of the picture and man's elective action to obtain grace through their own efforts, front and center.[/QUOTE]
Faith, Works, or Both
Nowhere in Scriptures does it teach Works in order to get Saved. That is not True. Works does not SAVE us, Faith does not SAVE us. Salvation is a free gift. HOWEVER, Scriptures are quite clear what the SAVED do, when they are SAVED by this free gift. and remember Jesus plainly tells us in Revelations that we are judged by our works. Works shows what is in a persons heart, whether good or bad.
^I^
Just like the false teaching that says salvation is not eternal. When salvation is by the grace of God that's it. But those who argue against eternal life, eternal salvation, claim people can do something to lose their salvation. Well, if they could do something to lose salvation they could then do something to gain it. Which puts God's grace out of the picture and man's elective action to obtain grace through their own efforts, front and center.[/QUOTE]
Salvation Is Not Possible for the Self-Righteous Who Claims Works
Salvation Is Not Possible for the Self-Righteous Who Claims Works, so long as the Pharisee maintains that stance. He came not to call the righteous.
Nothing in my hand I bring;
Simply to thy cross I cling.
So what will you do Seabass, about your disobedience? Are you investing in asbestos clothing?
The only commandment to obey for salvation is:
Believe on the Lord Jesus, & you shall be saved.
The promise is to whosoever believes (John 3:16).
That whosoever excludes any addition to believing as essential to salvation.
Salvation Is Not Possible for the Self-Righteous Who Claims Works, so long as the Pharisee maintains that stance. He came not to call the righteous.
Nothing in my hand I bring;
Simply to thy cross I cling.
So what will you do Seabass, about your disobedience? Are you investing in asbestos clothing?
The only commandment to obey for salvation is:
Believe on the Lord Jesus, & you shall be saved.
The promise is to whosoever believes (John 3:16).
That whosoever excludes any addition to believing as essential to salvation.
FAITH SAVES
Man's one & only essential part in the salvation process is belief/faith. Abe believed God, & it was reckoned to him for righteousness.
This is repeated over & over in scripture:
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
If you wish to debate it, I can fill up the forum with verses, but it will take more than 1 post -- too much for one post.
For some reason the Lord did not write John 3:16 this way:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only son that whosoever has everlasting life, should not perish, but believe in Him.
"Who is this that even forgiveth sins? And he said unto the woman, Thy faith has saved thee; go in peace."
Man's one & only essential part in the salvation process is belief/faith. Abe believed God, & it was reckoned to him for righteousness.
This is repeated over & over in scripture:
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
If you wish to debate it, I can fill up the forum with verses, but it will take more than 1 post -- too much for one post.
For some reason the Lord did not write John 3:16 this way:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only son that whosoever has everlasting life, should not perish, but believe in Him.
"Who is this that even forgiveth sins? And he said unto the woman, Thy faith has saved thee; go in peace."
Heb 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."
If all obedient works are meritorious works then God was requiring Noah to merit his salvation. Therefore when Noah worked and built the ark, God owed Noah salvation. That means the idea that "salvation cannot be earned" would be false.
Yet the truth is all obedient works are not meritorious. Noah was not a perfectly sinless person, God owed Noah NOTHING. Yet because of God's GRACE, God gave Noah a way he and his house to be saved but that grace required Noah to work to build the ark. So building the ark did not earn Noah salvation for God's grace was already offering that salvation for free. It was up to Noah to accept that free gift and build the ark or reject that free gift by not building the ark and drown.
If all obedient works are meritorious works then God was requiring Noah to merit his salvation. Therefore when Noah worked and built the ark, God owed Noah salvation. That means the idea that "salvation cannot be earned" would be false.
Yet the truth is all obedient works are not meritorious. Noah was not a perfectly sinless person, God owed Noah NOTHING. Yet because of God's GRACE, God gave Noah a way he and his house to be saved but that grace required Noah to work to build the ark. So building the ark did not earn Noah salvation for God's grace was already offering that salvation for free. It was up to Noah to accept that free gift and build the ark or reject that free gift by not building the ark and drown.
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Re: Salvation Is Not Possible for the Self-Righteous Who Claims Works
God knows Christians cannot be perfectly sinless on their own so God allowed the avenue of repentance for Christians when they sin. So those Christians that continue to walk in the light (confess and repent of sins) Christ blood continues to wash away ALL, not some, but ALL of their sins ( 1 Jn 1:7) leaving the Christian spotless and blameless, Eph 1:4; 2 Pet 3:14,
God knows Christians cannot be perfectly sinless on their own so God allowed the avenue of repentance for Christians when they sin. So those Christians that continue to walk in the light (confess and repent of sins) Christ blood continues to wash away ALL, not some, but ALL of their sins ( 1 Jn 1:7) leaving the Christian spotless and blameless, Eph 1:4; 2 Pet 3:14,
Then by all the commands God gave to be obeyed God must want man to merit his salvation. If not, then God should not have given all those commands.
Your theology puts man in an impossible position:
If man obeys God you accuse man of trying to merit his salvation
Yet if man does not obey God, then that disobedience is sin/transgression/unrighteousness causing man to be lost.
Your theology puts man in an impossible position:
If man obeys God you accuse man of trying to merit his salvation
Yet if man does not obey God, then that disobedience is sin/transgression/unrighteousness causing man to be lost.
So I can be a thief, fornicator and murderer, REMAIN a thief, fornicator and murderer unrepentantly and God will still save me and this thief, fornicator and murderer will walk through those pearly gates??? heaven will be populated with thieves fornicators and murderers??
Yet 1 Cor 6:9 says the unrighteous (thieves, fornicators, murderers) will NOT inherit the kingdom of heaven. You say they will. Who should I believe?
No, the whole world is not saved on the basis of the POV that salvation is not by works.
Many in the world will not take the position of the Publican (God be merciful to me a sinner), but are self-righteous Pharisees wanting to establish their own righteousness instead of submitting to that of the Lord.
You see salvation is not by works. Salvation is resting in the Savior: Come to me . . . & I will give you rest. By faith a man may rest in the Savior, rest from his own works, and cling to the Savior.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.
Many in the world will not take the position of the Publican (God be merciful to me a sinner), but are self-righteous Pharisees wanting to establish their own righteousness instead of submitting to that of the Lord.
You see salvation is not by works. Salvation is resting in the Savior: Come to me . . . & I will give you rest. By faith a man may rest in the Savior, rest from his own works, and cling to the Savior.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.
You should believe 6:10.
And BTW, what will you do on the day when your lusts in your heart are judged, Seabass. Have you committed adultery in you heart? Liars go to the Lake of Fire; how many lies have you told, SeaBass?
Heaven will be populated by men who were sinners. For He came not to call the righteous, but sinners.
He came for Publicans, not Pharisees.
And BTW, what will you do on the day when your lusts in your heart are judged, Seabass. Have you committed adultery in you heart? Liars go to the Lake of Fire; how many lies have you told, SeaBass?
Heaven will be populated by men who were sinners. For He came not to call the righteous, but sinners.
He came for Publicans, not Pharisees.
SeaBass, what will you do? Didn't you say that ALL the commands have to be kept? And you have not done that.
Open your eyes man, get the Laodicean eye salve.
If man obeys God, then He has been already saved. The lost do not obey God.
If a man obeys God, then He is eligible for rewards, crowns as a Christian.
But works do not save. Trying to work for salvation is folly; such works will only condemn you.
Faith > Salvation > Works.
Not Works > Salvation.
Open your eyes man, get the Laodicean eye salve.
If man obeys God, then He has been already saved. The lost do not obey God.
If a man obeys God, then He is eligible for rewards, crowns as a Christian.
But works do not save. Trying to work for salvation is folly; such works will only condemn you.
Faith > Salvation > Works.
Not Works > Salvation.
Someone posted about God putting man in an impossible position with all those commands.
The Lord Jesus said that with man salvation was impossible, but all things are possible with God.
The commands are a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ by letting us know own sinful we are.
There is none who does good, no not one.
All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.
The Lord Jesus said that with man salvation was impossible, but all things are possible with God.
The commands are a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ by letting us know own sinful we are.
There is none who does good, no not one.
All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.