Contradiction of WORDS

[SeaBass]

If you set conditions upon receiving it, then it aint free. Just like BOGO offers on tv--supposedly you get the 2nd item free, yet have to pay S&H for it. It's not free if you have to pay ANYTHING for it. Same thing applies to you putting conditions on the free gift you're giving away. If you say, ok this is free but you gotta do x y and z first to get it, then it isnt free.

I have a free car for you. I am giving it to you out of my good grace you did nothing to earn.

Want that free car? Then do the work of coming here and getting it. Does your work in coming here and getting the car mean you are earning it? If so how?

 

[posthuman]

Where did Christ ever say "do nothing and thou shalt be saved for I have done all there needs to be done for salvation"??

where did Christ say "i will leave you and forsake you" ??

 

[Elin]

Where is it written that if I have a free gift to give I cannot put conditions upon receiving that free gift?

The same place it is written, "God is truthful."

I won't be perverting the Scriptures to meet a phraseology required by you.

 

[SeaBass]

As has been explained to you before - the "group" is made up of individuals and those individuals are "each" sealed with the Holy Spirit being as the individuals are baptized by one Spirit into one body - the "church" the body of Christ.

For the body is not ONE member but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were the hearing where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members EVERY ONE OF THEM in the body, as it hath pleased him. . . . 1 Cor. 14-18

Is the individual who is outside the group sealed?

 

[elf3]

I have never argued one must earn his salvation. But the bible clearly teaches God has put the conditions of obedient works upon His free gift of salvation and obeying in no way earns the free gift. As long as people will not understand this simple point they will never understand biblical salvation.

And yet you have not explained your blatant contradiction in your phrase "the Bible clearly teaches God has put the conditions of obedient works upon His free gift of salvation and obeying in no way earns the free gift." Actually you double contradict yourself.

How about...now? Is now a good time?

 

[SeaBass]

where did Christ say "i will leave you and forsake you" ??

People leave and forsake Christ Jn 6:66.

 

[Elin]

Yes, by faith not by faith only

Likewise, not by faith plus obedience.

Be consistent.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Yes, by faith not by faith only

by faith . . . neither does it say faith plus works

 

[SeaBass]

The same place it is written, "God is truthful."

I won't be perverting the Scriptures to meet a phraseology required by you.

God being truthful does not mean He cannot put the conditions on His free gifts. God did so with Naaman. Was God being "untruthful" for putting a condition upon Naaman's free gift of healing?

 

[Elin]

he helped them much that had believed through grace;
Acts 18

"Believed" not "believed only".

Yes, and God sometimes lies because Scripture does not state: God's word is true only.

Your blindness is perverse and, therefore, culpable.

 

[SeaBass]

by faith . . . neither does it say faith plus works

Eph 2:8--------Faith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Lk 13:3-------repent>>>>>>>>>>>>>>saves/not persih
Rom 10:10----confession>>>>>>>>>>>saves
1 Pet 3:21----baptism>>>>>>>>>>>>>saves

How many ways can one be saved? One

Logically then faith MUST MUST MUST include repentance confession and baptism else you are creating a multitude of contradicting ways for man to be saved.

 

[SeaBass]

Yes, and God lies because Scripture does not state: God does not lie only.

Huh?

When the bible says "it is impossible for God to lie", that statement is a lie itself for God can lie?

 

[Elin]

Where did Christ ever say "do nothing and thou shalt be saved for I have done all there needs to be done for salvation"??

The same place it says: "God's word is true only."

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Is the individual who is outside the group sealed?

The point is SeaBass - only believers are in the group or don't cha know? So an individual outside the group would be an unbeliever and not place in the body to begin with!

 

[posthuman]

I have a free car for you. I am giving it to you out of my good grace you did nothing to earn.

Want that free car? Then do the work of coming here and getting it. Does your work in coming here and getting mean you earned it? If so how?

what if you cannot come to get the car?
-- i will bring it to you --
(we did not ascend to heaven to seek Him, but He sent the Son to seek us)

what if you cannot drive?
-- i will teach you how to drive --
(the Lord has put His spirit in us, which will lead us into all truth)

what about taxes? insurance?
-- i have also paid these --
(by one sacrifice he has perfected all who are being made holy)

who will pay for petrol?
-- i will provide you with fuel --
(His strength is perfected in our weakness - it is by His power, not ours that we are motivated and able)

 

[Elin]

Grace:

Come unto Me, all you who labor & are heavy laden . . . and I will give you rest.

What if one does not CONDITIONALLY come unto Christ? Get rest anyway?

Do you earn that rest by the work of coming?

Pretty much like you don't eat if you aren't in the presence of food.

 

[posthuman]

People leave and forsake Christ Jn 6:66.

and head straight for their own works. (Romans 1:24, Galatians 3:3)

 

[elf3]

I have never argued one must earn his salvation. But the bible clearly teaches God has put the conditions of obedient works upon His free gift of salvation and obeying in no way earns the free gift. As long as people will not understand this simple point they will never understand biblical salvation.

And yet you have not explained your blatant contradiction in your phrase "the Bible clearly teaches God has put the conditions of obedient works upon His free gift of salvation and obeying in no way earns the free gift." Actually you double contradict yourself.

Ok then wasn't good how about now?

 

[Elin]

Where is it written that if I have a free gift to give I cannot put conditions upon receiving that free gift?

In the definition of the word "free."

If you set conditions upon receiving it, then it aint free. Just like BOGO offers on tv--supposedly you get the 2nd item free, yet have to pay S&H for it. It's not free if you have to pay ANYTHING for it. Same thing applies to you putting conditions on the free gift you're giving away. If you say, ok this is free but you gotta do x y and z first to get it, then it isnt free.

He chooses willful blindness to that self-evident fact.

 

[posthuman]

Where is it written that if I have a free gift to give I cannot put conditions upon receiving that free gift?

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