Contradiction of WORDS

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Sola_Scriptura

Sola_Scriptura

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All of this confusion for nothing. For some reason people are confusing Justification with Sanctification. It is clear that we can only be Justified by the atonement of Jesus Christ. However, to be Sanctified requires obedience to the LORD once we have been Justified, and this is done through the Holy Ghost. What is so difficult to understand here? Either we love God for giving us salvation, and we in turn obey Him, or we disobey Him and continue to lack the understanding of His salvation in it's entirety. Justification is only the beginning, yet multitudes stop there and assume that is all there is to it. I won't post Scripture now, but I can if need be.

God Bless
 
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Elin

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Sola_Scriptura said:
All of this confusion for nothing. For some reason people are confusing Justification with Sanctification. It is clear that we can only be Justified by the atonement of Jesus Christ. However, to be Sanctified requires obedience to the LORD once we have been Justified, and this is done through the Holy Ghost. What is so difficult to understand here? Either we love God for giving us salvation, and we in turn obey Him, or we disobey Him and continue to lack the understanding of His salvation in it's entirety. Justification is only the beginning, yet multitudes stop there and assume that is all there is to it. I won't post Scripture now, but I can if need be.
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Yes, justification by faith alone is being confused with sanctification through the obedience of faith.

But that is way beyond the comprehension level of some.
 
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Charlie24

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Elin said:
Yes, justification by faith alone is being confused with sanctification through the obedience of faith.

But that is way beyond the comprehension level of some.
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You are exactly right! The entire concept of baptismal regeneration is a lack of underatanding the difference between justification and sanctification. They are mixing faith with works and it will not be tolerated by God.
 
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elf3

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Sola_Scriptura said:
All of this confusion for nothing. For some reason people are confusing Justification with Sanctification. It is clear that we can only be Justified by the atonement of Jesus Christ. However, to be Sanctified requires obedience to the LORD once we have been Justified, and this is done through the Holy Ghost. What is so difficult to understand here? Either we love God for giving us salvation, and we in turn obey Him, or we disobey Him and continue to lack the understanding of His salvation in it's entirety. Justification is only the beginning, yet multitudes stop there and assume that is all there is to it. I won't post Scripture now, but I can if need be.

God Bless
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Huh I didn't think of this. Maybe I have been arguing one point and he has been defending another and it just confusing both of us. Seems to make sense to me.
 
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Elin

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elf3 said:
Huh I didn't think of this. Maybe I have been arguing one point and he has been defending another and it just confusing both of us. Seems to make sense to me.
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Don't feel bad.

Even if you explained that to them, they would deny they are confusing anything.
 
RedTent

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I know and it blows my mind that somebody will try and cram down my throat that I have to (WORK) to receive grace...Something that is unmerited is impossible to work for...period! It is a free GIFT from God and based upon the WORK that Christ did and was completed in the eyes of God from the casting down of the world...and when we say this based upon the BIBLE we automatically get accused (led of the devil) of saying that saved children of God need not keep the word of God...fires me up to no end for sure!
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And it fires others up to say that work has no place in the life of a Christian! It fires others up to say that anytime God's ways are reported it is said that it is "cramming down the throat". It is reprehensible to some to tell them that if they even desire to follow Jesus in their walk it is denying grace. Those against the Lord are very good at accusing and getting all fired up as an excuse for accusing. What would be wrong with listening to the Lord speak instead of finding ways to strike out and judging other believers?
 
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john832

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RedTent again.
 
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Elin

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RedTent said:
And it fires others up to say that work has no place in the life of a Christian!
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And it fires others up to say that salvation by faith alone means there is no obedience in the Christian life.
 
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Charlie24

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RedTent said:
And it fires others up to say that work has no place in the life of a Christian! It fires others up to say that anytime God's ways are reported it is said that it is "cramming down the throat". It is reprehensible to some to tell them that if they even desire to follow Jesus in their walk it is denying grace. Those against the Lord are very good at accusing and getting all fired up as an excuse for accusing. What would be wrong with listening to the Lord speak instead of finding ways to strike out and judging other believers?
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I don't really think it's a matter of judging other believers, I think it'a a matter of doctrine. I also believe it's the duty of a born again Christian to point out false doctrine.

There are several views on this site on how one is saved. Someone is wrong. The Apostle Paul didn't hesitate at all to call the Galatians fools when they embraced false doctrine. The false doctrine they embraced is the same doctrine some are spreading on this site. If it fired up Paul it should do the same to those who believe we are saved by grace through faith, not of works.

I suppose we all have the right to our opinion, at least for today, I don't know about tomorrow.
 
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elf3

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Charlie24 said:
I don't really think it's a matter of judging other believers, I think it'a a matter of doctrine. I also believe it's the duty of a born again Christian to point out false doctrine.

There are several views on this site on how one is saved. Someone is wrong. The Apostle Paul didn't hesitate at all to call the Galatians fools when they embraced false doctrine. The false doctrine they embraced is the same doctrine some are spreading on this site. If it fired up Paul it should do the same to those who believe we are saved by grace through faith, not of works.

I suppose we all have the right to our opinion, at least for today, I don't know about tomorrow.
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Good point Charlie
 
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psychomom

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we can either read God's Word through a lens of fear, or a lens of faith...

if we do not have that blessed assurance that Christ did everything needed
to save sinners, we will always be wondering if we're cutting it...if we're making the grade...
if we're pulling it off. :(
 
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Charlie24

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psychomom said:
we can either read God's Word through a lens of fear, or a lens of faith...

if we do not have that blessed assurance that Christ did everything needed
to save sinners, we will always be wondering if we're cutting it...if we're making the grade...
if we're pulling it off. :(
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Very well said. Gods word proves we can only believe and trust in His finished work for salvation. Then comes our sanctification where James said, I will show you my faith by my works. We must understand where justification is settled and sanctification begins.
 
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Atwood

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Charlie24 said:
Very well said. Gods word proves we can only believe and trust in His finished work for salvation. Then comes our sanctification where James said, I will show you my faith by my works. We must understand where justification is settled and sanctification begins.
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Not at all to disagree with you, but to add:

There is a continuation of the principle by which we were initially saved into the Christian life.

O foolish Galatians, who did bewitch you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly set forth crucified? 2 This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh?


As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.


For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

But the fruit of the Spirit is . . .

The branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abide

I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me;

Apart from me, you can do nothing.


20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. 21 I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought.
 
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psychomom

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Charlie24 said:
Very well said. Gods word proves we can only believe and trust in His finished work for salvation. Then comes our sanctification where James said, I will show you my faith by my works. We must understand where justification is settled and sanctification begins.
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Hi, Charlie. :)

i'm glad you responded...very glad you're here.

i have been told i don't understand the difference between justification and sanctification.
it's quite possible, too.

i tend to see both as God's Work...both part of the salvation freely given us in the Lord Jesus.
first we are justified, then we are sanctified, then one day we will be glorified,
but it's all of Grace...all of God.
we work, but it's really God working in us.

as one pastor says, the only thing i contribute to my salvation is the sin that makes it necessary.

ellie
 
peacefulbeliever

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Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

For when we were yet without strength in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, were were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: . . . .Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift; for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We were made sinners by one man's disobedience - we are justified and made righteous through faith by one man's obedience. That is our salvation - nothing else gets us saved - only the obedience of Jesus Christ. Once we place our faith in Jesus Christ as Lord - good works will result but we do not have to work for salvation - Jesus died for the ungodly.
 
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Charlie24

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psychomom said:
Hi, Charlie. :)

i'm glad you responded...very glad you're here.

i have been told i don't understand the difference between justification and sanctification.
it's quite possible, too.

i tend to see both as God's Work...both part of the salvation freely given us in the Lord Jesus.
first we are justified, then we are sanctified, then one day we will be glorified,
but it's all of Grace...all of God.
we work, but it's really God working in us.

as one pastor says, the only thing i contribute to my salvation is the sin that makes it necessary.

ellie
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I would say your pastor is well taught in the grace of God.

I think I will start a thread on justification and sanctification. I'm sure there are others who could share and we can all learn something. That's why I"m here, to learn and share what I have learned.
 
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elf3

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psychomom said:
Hi, Charlie. :)

i'm glad you responded...very glad you're here.

i have been told i don't understand the difference between justification and sanctification.
it's quite possible, too.

i tend to see both as God's Work...both part of the salvation freely given us in the Lord Jesus.
first we are justified, then we are sanctified, then one day we will be glorified,
but it's all of Grace...all of God.
we work, but it's really God working in us.

as one pastor says, the only thing i contribute to my salvation is the sin that makes it necessary.

ellie
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I only know of one time you got them mixed up but you corrected yourself pretty quickly. :)
 
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