Contradiction of WORDS
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It misquote scriptures to quote "save yourself from this crooked generation"; no one can save himself. "Save yourself" is a mistranslation for a passive verb, BE SAVED. Also, it is not be saved from Hell, but from this crooked generation. It doesn't even say, "Be saved from Hell to go to Heaven."
Σώθητε ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς τῆς σκολιᾶς ταύτης.
Σώθητε = BE SAVED (PASSIVE)
ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς = from the generation
τῆς σκολιᾶς = the crooked
ταύτης = this.
Christ is the SAvior. The believer is the saved (passive), the savee.
You can no more save yourself than you can lift yourself by your own bootstraps.
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Σώθητε ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς τῆς σκολιᾶς ταύτης.
Σώθητε = BE SAVED (PASSIVE)
ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς = from the generation
τῆς σκολιᾶς = the crooked
ταύτης = this.
Christ is the SAvior. The believer is the saved (passive), the savee.
You can no more save yourself than you can lift yourself by your own bootstraps.
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There are no scriptures to prove this false point. Post the evidence and we can discuss them. One person paying ransom for another is in the OT. Isaiah 53 is in the OT. An ordinary man cannot pay God for another's sins. An ordinary man would not be a perfect sacrifice, but blemished. An ordinary man cannot pay for all the sins of the world in 3 hours on a cross. But God became a man; an infinite God can pay for the multitude of sins in 3 hours on a cross.
Isaiah 53 is clear and contradicts no other scripture.
You got flim-flammed.
Isaiah 53 is clear and contradicts no other scripture.
You got flim-flammed.
NO MAN CAN SAVE HIMSELF; CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR
THE SAVE YOURSELF CANARD:
It misquote scriptures to quote "save yourself from this crooked generation"; no one can save himself. "Save yourself" is a mistranslation for a passive verb, BE SAVED. Also, it is not be saved from Hell, but from this crooked generation. It doesn't even say, "Be saved from Hell to go to Heaven."
Σώθητε ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς τῆς σκολιᾶς ταύτης.
Σώθητε = BE SAVED (PASSIVE)
ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς = from the generation
τῆς σκολιᾶς = the crooked
ταύτης = this.
Christ is the SAvior. The believer is the saved (passive), the savee.
You can no more save yourself than you can lift yourself by your own bootstraps.
THE SAVE YOURSELF CANARD:
It misquote scriptures to quote "save yourself from this crooked generation"; no one can save himself. "Save yourself" is a mistranslation for a passive verb, BE SAVED. Also, it is not be saved from Hell, but from this crooked generation. It doesn't even say, "Be saved from Hell to go to Heaven."
Σώθητε ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς τῆς σκολιᾶς ταύτης.
Σώθητε = BE SAVED (PASSIVE)
ἀπὸ τῆς γενεᾶς = from the generation
τῆς σκολιᾶς = the crooked
ταύτης = this.
Christ is the SAvior. The believer is the saved (passive), the savee.
You can no more save yourself than you can lift yourself by your own bootstraps.
Did I? Be careful in looking at scripture only one way.
he*was*wounded for our transgressions,*
God made Jesus guilty for our sin or Jesus came to teach us because we're sinners and killed?
The LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
God punished Jesus for our sins or we are all sinners so God sent Jesus to show us we must have faith in God.
Don't just say no. Look at it and tell me why not
Is it possible that we have been deceived for a long long time?
he*was*wounded for our transgressions,*
God made Jesus guilty for our sin or Jesus came to teach us because we're sinners and killed?
The LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
God punished Jesus for our sins or we are all sinners so God sent Jesus to show us we must have faith in God.
Don't just say no. Look at it and tell me why not
Is it possible that we have been deceived for a long long time?
The context shows Peter just convicted his listeners (Jews) of crucifying the Messiah:
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
They were eternally lost for their rejection of the Messiah. Peter told them to repent and be baptized for remission of sins.
So when Peter said "save yourselves" he was addressing their lost state and by obeying what Peter said they would "save yourselves", ie., have their sins remitted.
So "save yourselves" had to do with having sins remitted and they would be saved from the eternally lost state of that crooked and perverse generation who refused to repent and be baptized. It was this lost perverse and crooked generation THAT REJECTED THE GOSPEL as seen by their refusal to repent and be baptized.
Not baptized = rejecting the gospel.
Did those who "did nothing" that is, did not repent and be baptized the ones that accepted the gospel word?
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
They were eternally lost for their rejection of the Messiah. Peter told them to repent and be baptized for remission of sins.
So when Peter said "save yourselves" he was addressing their lost state and by obeying what Peter said they would "save yourselves", ie., have their sins remitted.
So "save yourselves" had to do with having sins remitted and they would be saved from the eternally lost state of that crooked and perverse generation who refused to repent and be baptized. It was this lost perverse and crooked generation THAT REJECTED THE GOSPEL as seen by their refusal to repent and be baptized.
Not baptized = rejecting the gospel.
Did those who "did nothing" that is, did not repent and be baptized the ones that accepted the gospel word?
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Yeah..well, I have something to tell you.
Eph 10 For we are the work of his hands, created in Christ for good works, which has been prepared beforehand for us to walk in them.
Eph 8-9 doesn't condemn good works; it merely serves to reinforce the importance of faith.
Faith is a gift from God. Use that faith. Good works is about putting faith to action.
God gave his creations unique personalities, temperaments, and dispositions. Faith, like all of these things, are wonderful gifts from God, but they must be used in order to benefit from them.
Dead faith, Elin. Dead faith. It exists and is recorded in Scripture.
What is dead faith? How does faith be alive?
Eph 10 For we are the work of his hands, created in Christ for good works, which has been prepared beforehand for us to walk in them.
Eph 8-9 doesn't condemn good works; it merely serves to reinforce the importance of faith.
Faith is a gift from God. Use that faith. Good works is about putting faith to action.
God gave his creations unique personalities, temperaments, and dispositions. Faith, like all of these things, are wonderful gifts from God, but they must be used in order to benefit from them.
Dead faith, Elin. Dead faith. It exists and is recorded in Scripture.
What is dead faith? How does faith be alive?
Even OT prophecy says He was punished for our sins...."Isa 53;5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities..."
This verse you quote from Ezekiel is talking about a fleshly father and son NOT about the Messiah. This verse is proof there is no such thing as original sin, that is passed from father to son.
The verses is saying you answer for your own sins not Adam's or anyone else. The father answers for his own sons and the son answers for his own sins but this does not mean Christ could not die to take that guilt of sin away from BOTH the father and son.
Just because Christ died to take the sin debt away does not automatically mean it is taken away from everyone, for only those that obey Christ have that sin debt taken away.
Your friend that claims to be Jewish is totally wrong.
This verse you quote from Ezekiel is talking about a fleshly father and son NOT about the Messiah. This verse is proof there is no such thing as original sin, that is passed from father to son.
The verses is saying you answer for your own sins not Adam's or anyone else. The father answers for his own sons and the son answers for his own sins but this does not mean Christ could not die to take that guilt of sin away from BOTH the father and son.
Just because Christ died to take the sin debt away does not automatically mean it is taken away from everyone, for only those that obey Christ have that sin debt taken away.
Your friend that claims to be Jewish is totally wrong.
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Nowhere did Jesus' NT gospel teach salvation is by belief only.
Jesus says:
belief saves, Jn 8:24
repentance saved/not perish, Lk 13:3,5
confession saves, Mt 10:32,33
baptism saves Mk 16;16.
Therefore a gospel belief INCLUDES repentance confession and baptism.
On one hand for Jesus to teach "belief only" saves but then teach repentance, confession and baptism also saves would be a contradiction, a contradiction your theology causes for Jesus.
Jesus says:
belief saves, Jn 8:24
repentance saved/not perish, Lk 13:3,5
confession saves, Mt 10:32,33
baptism saves Mk 16;16.
Therefore a gospel belief INCLUDES repentance confession and baptism.
On one hand for Jesus to teach "belief only" saves but then teach repentance, confession and baptism also saves would be a contradiction, a contradiction your theology causes for Jesus.