Contradiction of WORDS
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you mean those that are not yet saved...or is it those who are saved from sin? or are they are saved from sin and still practise sin?
1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Romans 6:1-6King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
you are not going to tell me it is the spirit that does not sin and cannot sin ...are you? because you will have to explain why the scripture is telling the spirit that does not sin and cannot sin , not to sin....
1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Romans 6:1-6King James Version (KJV)
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
you are not going to tell me it is the spirit that does not sin and cannot sin ...are you? because you will have to explain why the scripture is telling the spirit that does not sin and cannot sin , not to sin....
In the sense of
Is 53:5:
"the punishment that brought us peace (with God, of whom we were enemies, Ro 5:10)
was upon him, by his wounds we are healed."
2Pe 2:24:
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree. . .
by his wounds you have been healed."
Well, there goes the atonement (Ro 3:25).
Doctrine from the pit of hell. . .slipped right on in the pride in one's own foolish reasoning.
Anathema!
Is 53:5:
"the punishment that brought us peace (with God, of whom we were enemies, Ro 5:10)
was upon him, by his wounds we are healed."
2Pe 2:24:
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree. . .
by his wounds you have been healed."
Well, there goes the atonement (Ro 3:25).
Doctrine from the pit of hell. . .slipped right on in the pride in one's own foolish reasoning.
Anathema!
Thank you. Does monergism include the idea that people make a free will choice to believe in God?
I'm careful. I understand that Jewish people were taught and believed hings for centuries that weren't true. I think it's mistake for Christians to think it couldn't happen to them.
It's all in the Bible.
I'm careful. I understand that Jewish people were taught and believed hings for centuries that weren't true. I think it's mistake for Christians to think it couldn't happen to them.
It's all in the Bible.
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monergists do not believe that, but synergists (those who believe our will is free with regard to God) do.
i'm just saying perhaps it's not a great idea to get theology regarding Christ's atonement for sinners
from someone who hates Jesus.
i've heard the whole objection on the grounds of the prohibition from human sacrifice before...
it tends to be a Jewish unbelievers trump card.
blessings,
ellie
i'm just saying perhaps it's not a great idea to get theology regarding Christ's atonement for sinners
from someone who hates Jesus.
i've heard the whole objection on the grounds of the prohibition from human sacrifice before...
it tends to be a Jewish unbelievers trump card.
blessings,
ellie
you are a smart guy ...does not the scripture say the Son of God had power on earth to forgive sins...
Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
After his resurrection did he not leave his disciples instructions for those who will come to believe in him ?
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
Mark 16:15-16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
After his resurrection did he not leave his disciples instructions for those who will come to believe in him ?
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
Mark 16:15-16King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
sorry about that.
monergism: God alone initiates and completes the work of salvation.
please be careful about theology (God words) coming from someone who's not saved.
better to get it from the Bible.
maybe Elin could post a link to her excellent study of Leviticus?
because if i speak words you haven't heard yet,
i make up for it in my technological illiteracy.
monergism: God alone initiates and completes the work of salvation.
please be careful about theology (God words) coming from someone who's not saved.
better to get it from the Bible.
maybe Elin could post a link to her excellent study of Leviticus?
because if i speak words you haven't heard yet,
i make up for it in my technological illiteracy.
E
monergists do not believe that, but synergists (those who believe our will is free with regard to God) do.
i'm just saying perhaps it's not a great idea to get theology regarding Christ's atonement for sinners
from someone who hates Jesus.
i've heard the whole objection on the grounds of the prohibition from human sacrifice before...
it tends to be a Jewish unbelievers trump card.
blessings,
ellie
i'm just saying perhaps it's not a great idea to get theology regarding Christ's atonement for sinners
from someone who hates Jesus.
i've heard the whole objection on the grounds of the prohibition from human sacrifice before...
it tends to be a Jewish unbelievers trump card.
blessings,
ellie
As far as humans I don't think we have free will because except for God's Grace we would always choose sin. And our will is not free when it bumps up against the Sovereignty of God. Is that understandable?
we are saved by grace through faith...where do you get those fables you make up....what is faith into Christ...any works we do after biblical salvation....so if a man sin or do an evil deed after being born again....is it Christ doing that work? You are saying some people don't get genuine faith ...so God gives some bogus faith?
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a mongerist then.
My friend doesn't hate Jesus. He believes God can forgive sins because people repent and turn to Him. Jesus did come here to point us toward God. This is why I've asked if you believe Jesus was punished for our sins by God (the traditional christian view), or because of our sins, came here to teach us and was was executed? The scriptures seem to mean either.
There is no trump card between my friend and me. He doesnt completely reject how prophecy could be fulfilled in 2 comings. Jesus said scripture cannot be broken, so I wouldn't pass over what God says in the OT just to win a debate. My friend sees many similarities between Jesus and how the OT describes Israel true King. God punishing someone for the sins of others isn't among them. Maybe the Christian view of this is skewed.
I'm just saying perhaps it's not a great idea to get theology regarding Christ's atonement for sinners
from someone who hates Jesus.
from someone who hates Jesus.
There is no trump card between my friend and me. He doesnt completely reject how prophecy could be fulfilled in 2 comings. Jesus said scripture cannot be broken, so I wouldn't pass over what God says in the OT just to win a debate. My friend sees many similarities between Jesus and how the OT describes Israel true King. God punishing someone for the sins of others isn't among them. Maybe the Christian view of this is skewed.