False tongues, are you being decieved?

[peacefulbeliever]

the point is our personal experience if it be good or bad does not change the Word of God or what He says about the Gift of the Holy Spirit. was not the example of the story you provided one of tongues suggesting it was blasphemy? I did read it in respect to your post. do you know if this story is true? the point is I could provide the same kind of story that show were tongues was used and people walked in and herd own language those Praising God. Both stories do not change that Tongues is a gift of the Holy Ghost as said in 1cor chapter 12, 13, 14. it does not change that paul was actually correcting abuse in his letter to the church and in his opening address to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit he said this in chapter 12
:1 Now CONCERNING(CAPS KJV) spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you Ignorant(uneducated).
:2 Ye know that ye were (past tense) gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

How does one KNOW if tongues are from God?

here you go
:3 Wherefore ( what is the wherefore there for?) I give you to Understand( not be Ignorant) that NO man ( or person) Speaking by the Spirit of God (AKA Holy Spirit) calleth Jesus accursed( blasphemy, speak ill of or disrespectful) and that no man can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. this means if you say Jesus Christ is Lord your action will confirm that to others and what you say and do will bring Glory to God. IF it does not do that then you know that it is not of God.

that is what the bible says not me....

12:3 And that is the response I gave to the one who provided said story.

I believe there is ONE gift - the gift of Holy Spirit and within that gift are NINE manifestations. And I do believe in speaking in tongues as one of those manifestations of the Spirit. (12:7) I see where it is misused by people who do not understand fully nor have they taken the reproof and correction handled in 1 Cor. 12-14 originally given to the Corinthian church.

Thanks for explaining!

 

[CS1]

The only gift of tongues the Bible speaks of are foreign languages used to spread the gospel.

well friend that is not the truth Unknown languages are used to as is heavenly ones found there 1cor 14: 2,4 also there is speaking in tongues found in verse 5 1 cor 14 those who speak in a unknown are to pray that they may interpret verse 13. So much instruction to be given after 13:8 for something that is done away with. scripturally that is not the cases. what I love about this Paul is completely giving what to do and what not to in the gift. at one point he says speaking tongues with out charity is meaningless but after saying that in chapter 14 he instructs to desire gifts and explains how to use them and even thanks God he speak more than Corinthians. then he says I would rather speak five words with my understanding then 10,000 words in tongues. Then right after he says that in 1cor chapter 14 verse 20 -22 is more on speaking in tongues. what does this mean?


we are to do and use the gift respectfully all gifts that is preaching , teaching, pastoring, tongues and every other Gift that God distributes as HE sees fit to do so. No matter where you stand on the subject if Jesus Christ is your Lord your saved if you don't speak in tongues that doesn't mean your not saved. and every gift that God created yes they and be abused and mocked, and counterfeited. 1 cor 12, 13, 14 speaks to all three of these issues and no where is or all they nor for today. please don't take my word for it pray study the chapter fully not just one verse to prop up for it or against it.

 

[CS1]

12:3 And that is the response I gave to the one who provided said story.

I believe there is ONE gift - the gift of Holy Spirit and within that gift are NINE manifestations. And I do believe in speaking in tongues as one of those manifestations of the Spirit. (12:7) I see where it is misused by people who do not understand fully nor have they taken the reproof and correction handled in 1 Cor. 12-14 originally given to the Corinthian church.

Thanks for explaining!

no problem I hope I was clear nice posting with you

 

[know1]

Modern Tongues Speaking Explained - What is really going on? By Cooper P Abrams III

I have read the article by this Baptist group, and found that they only touched on one part of tongues, knowing nothing about the subject at all. I don't care to waste much of my time to explain something of little worth to those who are bent turning the truth of God into a lie.
Like most unbelievers, this group centered on the natural brain, when it is not of the mind but of the spirit man.
This is something I would be very careful with.
If Jesus said, Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
To say that tongues is of the devil is to call the Spirit of God in us, an evil spirit. To do so would put yourself in danger of eternal damnation.
The word of God does not support their doctrine.

 

[CS1]

I have read the article by this Baptist group, and found that they only touched on one part of tongues, knowing nothing about the subject at all. I don't care to waste much of my time to explain something of little worth to those who are bent turning the truth of God into a lie.
Like most unbelievers, this group centered on the natural brain, when it is not of the mind but of the spirit man.
This is something I would be very careful with.
If Jesus said, Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
To say that tongues is of the devil is to call the Spirit of God in us, an evil spirit. To do so would put yourself in danger of eternal damnation.
The word of God does not support their doctrine.

that is an interesting point you have made. I thank God for 1cor 14 where it is let the ignorant be ignorant still. I also to believe of the Holy Ghost I think too has to be done in non-ignorance. One would fully know that they are doing it. Jesus was clearly admonishing the pharees who did not understand they were attacking because they did not like Jesus or had not understood what God had done I could be wrong

 

[jdbear]

well friend that is not the truth Unknown languages are used to as is heavenly ones found there 1cor 14: 2,4 also there is speaking in tongues found in verse 5 1 cor 14 those who speak in a unknown are to pray that they may interpret verse 13. So much instruction to be given after 13:8 for something that is done away with. scripturally that is not the cases. what I love about this Paul is completely giving what to do and what not to in the gift. at one point he says speaking tongues with out charity is meaningless but after saying that in chapter 14 he instructs to desire gifts and explains how to use them and even thanks God he speak more than Corinthians. then he says I would rather speak five words with my understanding then 10,000 words in tongues. Then right after he says that in 1cor chapter 14 verse 20 -22 is more on speaking in tongues. what does this mean?


we are to do and use the gift respectfully all gifts that is preaching , teaching, pastoring, tongues and every other Gift that God distributes as HE sees fit to do so. No matter where you stand on the subject if Jesus Christ is your Lord your saved if you don't speak in tongues that doesn't mean your not saved. and every gift that God created yes they and be abused and mocked, and counterfeited. 1 cor 12, 13, 14 speaks to all three of these issues and no where is or all they nor for today. please don't take my word for it pray study the chapter fully not just one verse to prop up for it or against it.

Hello CS1. I've read all texts concerning the gift of tongues. Every one fits the gift manifested at Pentecost. The "heavenly language" view doesn't fit the texts.

 

[sassylady]

I've always considered the gift of tongues a personal one for edifying and guidance. Many times I know when I have prayed in tongues the Lord gave me either an answer or interpretation. I have been in a church where a message in tongues was given and the person on the platform gave the interpretation, which also edifies. Could never stand it when it was obvious that people were using it to throw it around and show off.

 

[just-me]

I've always considered the gift of tongues a personal one for edifying and guidance. Many times I know when I have prayed in tongues the Lord gave me either an answer or interpretation. I have been in a church where a message in tongues was given and the person on the platform gave the interpretation, which also edifies. Could never stand it when it was obvious that people were using it to throw it around and show off.

Were any unbelievers saved when the preacher spoke in the language of a person that didn't understand English? If not it was used incorrectly and not according to the Word of God.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe .

 

[CS1]

Were any unbelievers saved when the preacher spoke in the language of a person that didn't understand English? If not it was used incorrectly and not according to the Word of God.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe .

I will say this in ref: to your inserting rom16:17 and 1cor 1:10. those are great verses in the word of God it appears you arte using these scripture against those who do not agree with your understanding of the word of God? If I am wrong please forgive me. But 1 cor chapter 12, 13, 14 have been explained and it is clear to those verses and what was said the Holy Spirit is very much working to day.

 

[Trailblazer]

The correct usage of toungues in a service is that someone will stand up say something in it, then someone else will give an interpretation, if this does not happen then the person standing up and speaking is just doing so thinking they should do it for whatever reason. THe interpretations do not come from people, but HOly SPirit, so people with gift of interpretation do not understand tongues themselves, instead it is the HOly SPirit who tells them what it says, that is how I understand it.

Certainly though there is a lot of incorrect use of this, along with plenty of people being influenced by demonic spirits and not Holy Spirit.

Makes sense to me.
However!... If everyone in Church is speaking in tongues. Then a interpreter tells them that they were
all saying,... "Death to Children" I personally would seek out that Churches beliefs about Jesus. If then everyone claims to be born again Christians. My questioning would be!.. How could these Christians be speaking such things against children?

My question to the interpreter! All here claim to Love Jesus. Yet! You say that they are saying death to children.
Why is that? Something is a miss here. These people are basically worshiping Satan, and they do not know it?

Did not Jesus say it is best to speak in tongues in private? So as not to look as one is boasting in public, and not to
risk spooking any non believers with this strange language in public?

When I experienced a church speaking in Tongues in 1979. everyone was speaking at the same time. I did not know Jesus at the time. There was something powerful in the Church during that event. I was not spooked or uncomfortable at all.
Now imagine if a claimed interpreter got up and claimed they were all just saying, Death to Children. I am very sure that I would have picked up on something uncomfortable or wrong in that Church if that was the case.

Again!..In that Church's case. What are the options? Everyone is unknowingly speaking to demons? Or the interpreter may not have the Holy Spirit? Is he seeking to stop Christians from speaking in the supernatural language to God and the Angels?

Who knows!.. It is all much more intriguing then just showing up to Church on a Sunday morning and filling up a chair.

 

[Calminian]

Were any unbelievers saved when the preacher spoke in the language of a person that didn't understand English? If not it was used incorrectly and not according to the Word of God.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe .

Seems like there's a great deal of confusion about this even among charismatics. For instance Tintin says,

Originally Posted by Tintin

That's the thing though, speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, not necessarily a miracle. Say what you like, it's essentially a prayer language.

So now we're talking about speaking in a language that no one but angels can understand, and a person then interpreting it somehow, even though they don't speak angel and don't have any miraculous gift. So they're a sign, but not a miracle, and they're for edification, but not evangelism.

It would seem so obvious this is not what scripture is saying. Could it just be that the tongues exercised today are just psychological trances the speaker puts themselves in based on a strong desire to believe something?

 

[just-me]

So now we're talking about speaking in a language that no one but angels can understand, and a person then interpreting it somehow, even though they don't speak angel and don't have any miraculous gift. So they're a sign, but not a miracle, and they're for edification, but not evangelism.

It would seem so obvious this is not what scripture is saying. Could it just be that the tongues exercised today are just psychological trances the speaker puts themselves in based on a strong desire to believe something?

Concerning praying in tongues and not understanding what you are saying. Jesus doesn't use us to pray to Himself.

1-corinthians 14:13-15
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

When the Spirit makes intersetion becasue we don't know how to pray, it is because we haven't the words to express what is deep in our heart. But like Paul says about himself, he will pray and sing with understanding.

 

[jdbear]

Seems like there's a great deal of confusion about this even among charismatics. For instance Tintin says,



So now we're talking about speaking in a language that no one but angels can understand, and a person then interpreting it somehow, even though they don't speak angel and don't have any miraculous gift. So they're a sign, but not a miracle, and they're for edification, but not evangelism.

It would seem so obvious this is not what scripture is saying. Could it just be that the tongues exercised today are just psychological trances the speaker puts themselves in based on a strong desire to believe something?

Angels always spoke in languages their hears could understand.

 

[CS1]

Makes sense to me.
However!... If everyone in Church is speaking in tongues. Then a interpreter tells them that they were
all saying,... "Death to Children" I personally would seek out that Churches beliefs about Jesus. If then everyone claims to be born again Christians. My questioning would be!.. How could these Christians be speaking such things against children?

My question to the interpreter! All here claim to Love Jesus. Yet! You say that they are saying death to children.
Why is that? Something is a miss here. These people are basically worshiping Satan, and they do not know it?

Did not Jesus say it is best to speak in tongues in private? So as not to look as one is boasting in public, and not to
risk spooking any non believers with this strange language in public?

When I experienced a church speaking in Tongues in 1979. everyone was speaking at the same time. I did not know Jesus at the time. There was something powerful in the Church during that event. I was not spooked or uncomfortable at all.
Now imagine if a claimed interpreter got up and claimed they were all just saying, Death to Children. I am very sure that I would have picked up on something uncomfortable or wrong in that Church if that was the case.

Again!..In that Church's case. What are the options? Everyone is unknowingly speaking to demons? Or the interpreter may not have the Holy Spirit? Is he seeking to stop Christians from speaking in the supernatural language to God and the Angels?

Who knows!.. It is all much more intriguing then just showing up to Church on a Sunday morning and filling up a chair.

again completely hypothetical and if this did happen please look at the bible in 1cor chapter 12, 13, 14. jesus did not say it is best to speak in tongues in private? Jesus said in Matthew 6:5-8 in context to prayer do not do it like the Hypocrites standing in the synagogues and in the corner of the street that they maybe seen of men. Their motives for prayer were wrong which the bible is clear about that same with tongues ones motives can be wrong just like preaching and teaching. Jesus said In Mark 16:17-18 believers would speak in Tongues. "Again.. In that Church's cases". The Bible says to go to the brother with two witness. secondly you can not say everyone is speaking to demons because you do not know what everyone is saying. If the Interpreter doesn't have the Holy Spirit how you would know it is another issue but, what they are saying doesn't line up with the bible which the tongues and interpretation are to and comfort, Edify, and build up as the bible says they are to do. If they are not doing that( line up with the bible comforting, edifying, building up) and some foolish person would say what you are suggesting " death to children" someone should tell them to seat down and be quiet. And the Pastor would have to come to the pulpit and let everyone know that person was out of order. it is very easy. And it bring glory to God. But if we are so bent on it not even biblical I would need to see that in scripture and not some urban Legend about spiritual gifts.

 

[Jamal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv7TJXKMVsA

What's going on here:
1. Smoking pot
2. Tripping on LSD.
3. Speaking tongues with interpretation.
4. Doing their best to duplicate the experience of #1 and #2 without actually breaking the law, and then labeling it #3.

How can this be of God?

 

[Kerry]

Oh my goodness be careful what you attribute to the devil. Jesus said you can deny me all you want to and you will be forgiven but He that denies the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. All of the 12 spoke in tongues and Paul was not present on that day. Yet he states that I speak in tongues more than you all.

Speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit as the Spirit gives the utterance.

Why are people so afraid of this. Satan fights it harder than anything else.

 

[Kerry]

Paul will go on to say do not forbid speaking in tongues. Yall have bible gateway look it up for yourself.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Seems like there's a great deal of confusion about this even among charismatics. <snip>
So now we're talking about speaking in a language that no one but angels can understand, and a person then interpreting it somehow, even though they don't speak angel and don't have any miraculous gift. So they're a sign, but not a miracle, and they're for edification, but not evangelism.

It would seem so obvious this is not what scripture is saying. Could it just be that the tongues exercised today are just psychological trances the speaker puts themselves in based on a strong desire to believe something?

I imagine that God knows the language that angels speak and therefore can give the interpretation when needed. The manifestation of a tongue and the interpretation both come from the holy Spirit.

 

[Kerry]

Paul even says that I will pray with my understanding and I will pray in the Spirit. What do you think he was talking about?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv7TJXKMVsA

What's going on here:
1. Smoking pot
2. Tripping on LSD.
3. Speaking tongues with interpretation.
4. Doing their best to duplicate the experience of #1 and #2 without actually breaking the law, and then labeling it #3.

How can this be of God?

I didn't watch the whole video . . . but we know that what was happening there was not biblical. I believe that people tend to get wrapped up in emotions and feelings and allow those emotions and feelings to turn into a frenzy. Are they bad people? Nope . . . just mislead.

The whole church should not come together and "all hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation." All things should be done unto edifying.

This is the way it should be done and if it is not being done this way then it is not being done biblically - is the "tongue" real - that is for God to determine. I am not a master of languages.

If any man speak in an tongue let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course [in order]; and let one interpret. 14:27
[I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 14:5 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an tongue pray that he may interpret. 14:13]
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 14:28
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 14:29
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 14:32
Let all things be done decently and in order.