Pope Francis declares evolution and big Bang theory are right

[Human]

Are you assuming I view the evolutionary theory as a conspiracy? The post of mine you just quoted was testing the inerrancy of Rome,... nothing to do with conspiracy.

Oh for goodness sake stop dancing round the point. If you believe evolutionary theory is true then what's your problem? Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have inferred that believing the pope's professions on the big bang and evolution is having 'loyalty to the pope over scripture'. If evolutionary theory isn't true then what is it? A worldwide conspiracy to destroy your beliefs!!!

Remember this next time you think so; you are not so important.

 

[JackH]

There is a correlation between theologically liberal bible denying Churches and theistic evolution. The majority of those which still hold to Scripture do not hold to theistic evolution. Just one of the marks of the present day apostasy which Rome is being sucked into as well.

Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses do not support evolution.

What exactly are those Churches that still hold to Scripture you refer to? Specifically, so I can readily access their Statement of Faith and such.

 

[pastac]

Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses do not support evolution.

What exactly are those Churches that still hold to Scripture you refer to? Specifically, so I can readily access their Statement of Faith and such.

Praise God for wisdom at 98 you are truly a blessing. I would not waste time on 7day jw or any other non Christian doctrines leads to too much distraction.

 

[crossnote]

Oh for goodness sake stop dancing round the point. If you believe evolutionary theory is true then what's your problem? Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have inferred that believing the pope's professions on the big bang and evolution is having 'loyalty to the pope over scripture'. If evolutionary theory isn't true then what is it? A worldwide conspiracy to destroy your beliefs!!!

Remember this next time you think so; you are not so important.

boy, you sure came on from left field somewhere.
Can't something simply be wrong without it being a conspiracy?

 

[jjtj22]

Oh for goodness sake stop dancing round the point. If you believe evolutionary theory is true then what's your problem? Clearly you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have inferred that believing the pope's professions on the big bang and evolution is having 'loyalty to the pope over scripture'. If evolutionary theory isn't true then what is it? A worldwide conspiracy to destroy your beliefs!!!

Remember this next time you think so; you are not so important.

No one arguing young earth creationism believes they are so important that there is a conspiracy against them personally.

What I, a young earth creationism believer am arguing, is that God the Father, Jesus Christ His only begotten son, and The Holy Spirit are so extremely important that our world is set up to deceive most to the truth of Him.

How about you stop dancing around and post your beliefs instead of attacking someone who has made their own completely clear. Remember this the next time you think anything; your beliefs are so important as to have eternal repercussions.

 

[crossnote]

There is a correlation between theologically liberal bible denying Churches and theistic evolution. The majority of those which still hold to Scripture do not hold to theistic evolution. Just one of the marks of the present day apostasy which Rome is being sucked into as well.

Seventh-day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses do not support evolution.

What exactly are those Churches that still hold to Scripture you refer to? Specifically, so I can readily access their Statement of Faith and such.

Many of your 'independents' eg Independent Baptists, Calvary Chapels, and many independent recent breakoffs from the older denominations.

 

[Human]

No one arguing young earth creationism believes they are so important that there is a conspiracy against them personally.

What I, a young earth creationism believer am arguing, is that God the Father, Jesus Christ His only begotten son, and The Holy Spirit are so extremely important that our world is set up to deceive most to the truth of Him.

How about you stop dancing around and post your beliefs instead of attacking someone who has made their own completely clear. Remember this the next time you think anything; your beliefs are so important as to have eternal repercussions.

There's no conspiracy to peddle evolutionary theory to discredit God, but there is a conspiracy to peddle literalistic, nonsensical creationism to discredit genuine science, and it exists because Young Earth Creationists refuse to face facts and understand that a literal interpretation of creation contradicts scientific truths.

There's a fundamental reason why creation science isn't science. Science, by definition, is to do with the study of the physical and natural world through observation, the use of knowledge of physical properties and experimentation. There's no place in it for metaphysics. The term 'creation science' is an oxymoron.

There's also a reason 70% of Evangelicals, most Protestants and almost all Catholics accept evolutionary theory. You are in a small minority of people who still live in the dark with this one.


You can find every known creationist claim here, with a short refutation and links to source materials, original experiments and clarifications by published scientists. Do your research! An Index to Creationist Claims

 

[crossnote]

There's no conspiracy to peddle evolutionary theory to discredit God, but there is a conspiracy to peddle literalistic, nonsensical creationism to discredit genuine science, and it exists because Young Earth Creationists refuse to face facts and understand that a literal interpretation of creation contradicts scientific truths.

There's a fundamental reason why creation science isn't science. Science, by definition, is to do with the study of the physical and natural world through observation, the use of knowledge of physical properties and experimentation. There's no place in it for metaphysics. The term 'creation science' is an oxymoron.

There's also a reason 70% of Evangelicals, most Protestants and almost all Catholics accept evolutionary theory. You are in a small minority of people who still live in the dark with this one.


You can find every known creationist claim here, with a short refutation and links to source materials, original experiments and clarifications by published scientists. Do your research! An Index to Creationist Claims

By your reasoning all Christians refuse to face facts when they believe Christ rose from the dead since according to observable science, upon repeated observations...the dead don't rise! I suppose this is partly why your profile states 'not a Christian'?

And you think the theory of evolution passes for science? Which evolutionist was there at the so called big bang to repeatedly observe it?

Who cares if most apostate churches believe in the theistic evolution? The majority thought Noah was nuts...but he had God's Word and stuck to it even though the concept of a flood was silly.
Oh, BTW, the next judgment will be by fire...science hasn't a clue on this either.

 

[JackH]

There's no conspiracy to peddle evolutionary theory to discredit God, but there is a conspiracy to peddle literalistic, nonsensical creationism to discredit genuine science, and it exists because Young Earth Creationists refuse to face facts and understand that a literal interpretation of creation contradicts scientific truths.

There's a fundamental reason why creation science isn't science. Science, by definition, is to do with the study of the physical and natural world through observation, the use of knowledge of physical properties and experimentation. There's no place in it for metaphysics. The term 'creation science' is an oxymoron.

There's also a reason 70% of Evangelicals, most Protestants and almost all Catholics accept evolutionary theory. You are in a small minority of people who still live in the dark with this one.


You can find every known creationist claim here, with a short refutation and links to source materials, original experiments and clarifications by published scientists. Do your research! An Index to Creationist Claims

Exactly.

Young Earth Creationists repeatedly use the word "conspiracy" in these forums when all else fails.

 

[JackH]

And you think the theory of evolution passes for science? Which evolutionist was there at the so called big bang to repeatedly observe it?

Every federal court decision in the U.S. for more than the last forty years is that evolution is a science and creationism is not a science. That is why evolution is taught as a science in public schools and creationism is not.

What Young Earth Creationists were there in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

Did you look at Adam's calendar and take note of the date?

 

[ThomistColin]

Pope is infallible.

I heard Pope was agree to Kill Galileo when he said the world is round.

Now not only believe world is round but also believe big bang theory.

Is Pope in Galileo time fallible?

Or recent pope fallible. It is impossible both infallible when they have different believe.

Your understanding of the extraordinary infallibilty of the Pope (its a theological wording) is off. The Pope is not always infallible, only when he gives a "new" teaching on morality or is quoting infallible teaching, which all Christians can do.

 

[crossnote]

What Young Earth Creationists were there in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve?

We have the Creator Himself who was there...Jesus Christ risen from the dead. I'll take His Word for it...

But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.'
(Mar 10:6) Selah
Context...Adam and Eve..from the beginning of CREATION.

So stick with your slick theory of theistic evolution, but at least just admit, it is not God's Word.

 

[JackH]

So stick with your slick theory of theistic evolution, but at least just admit, it is not God's Word.

God's Word does not say that the world is 6,000 years old, in my opinion.

If you want to say God's Word is contrary to just about everything scientific, that's up to you. I think you are the one treading on thin ice with respect to adding to God's Word.

 

[G4JC]

you can read the first chapter of genesis and still believe in evolution/bbt. Its called theistic evolution. I don't know which one I believe in more, but at the end of the day, its not your belief in origins that saves you.

While it doesn't "save you" (as only salvation by through Jesus Christ can do that), it can greatly affect your ability to be saved or maintain the faith.

[h=2]Genesis—Foundation for All Biblical Doctrine[/h] Clearly, we must also be willing to boldly declare that the book of Genesis is the foundation for all biblical doctrine and truth (see Answers with Ken Ham). As believers in Christ, we can be thankful that we have the Holy Spirit who both leads and strengthens us as we stand firm against the attacks from the forces of darkness against the creation account...


It’s time, as children of the living God, to make a bold commitment to return to the faithful preaching and teaching of the book of Genesis. Far too many believers are afraid to admit that they may have been misled about the authority of the Bible. As we continually address this reality within our congregation, lives are being visibly changed as a result.


Clearly, the attacks against Genesis have increased greatly over the years, but we can praise God that ministries like Answers in Genesis are leading the way for the Body of Christ to make a stand for truth.


In the 2006 Creation College Handbook, AiG President Ken Ham offers his insightful perspectives, including:

Psalm 11:3 states, “If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” If you destroy the foundations of anything, the structure will collapse. If you want to destroy any building, the best way is to destroy the foundations. Likewise, if you want to destroy Christianity, destroy the foundations which are established in the book of Genesis.​

Is it any wonder that Satan is attacking Genesis more than any book? The biblical doctrine of origins, as contained in the book of Genesis, is foundation to all other doctrines of Scripture. Refute or undermine in any way the biblical doctrine of origins and the rest of the Bible is undermined. Every single biblical doctrine of theology, directly or indirectly, ultimately has its basis in the book of Genesis.

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/why-do...lding-a-biblical-worldview-in-a-fallen-world/
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[crossnote]

God's Word does not say that the world is 6,000 years old, in my opinion.

If you want to say God's Word is contrary to just about everything scientific, that's up to you. I think you are the one treading on thin ice with respect to adding to God's Word.

6 days, 6 evenings and mornings. That's what it says and that's how I take it. And there are scientists that concur.

 

[JackH]

6 days, 6 evenings and mornings. That's what it says and that's how I take it. And there are scientists that concur.

The vast majority of scientists and scientific organizations support evolution and an old earth, which does not contradict Genesis.

 

[JackH]

Clearly, we must also be willing to boldly declare that the book of Genesis is the foundation for all biblical doctrine and truth (see Answers with Ken Ham).

Clearly, the attacks against Genesis have increased greatly over the years, but we can praise God that ministries like Answers in Genesis are leading the way for the Body of Christ to make a stand for truth.

In the 2006 Creation College Handbook, AiG President Ken Ham offers his insightful perspectives

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/why-do...lding-a-biblical-worldview-in-a-fallen-world/
​

Someone has to be deaf, dumb and blind to believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. That's what Pat Robertson said to Ken Ham. Personally, I agree.

I mention Pat Robertson only because he has a wide audience with respect to religious matters. Like the Pope.

The other YEC personality often mentioned besides Ken Ham is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind). Dr. Dino also has a wide audience, especially at the federal prison where he is currently incarcerated.

 

[kepha]

The thread title "Pope Francis declares evolution and big Bang theory are right"
is misleading,
because the Pope has repeatedly stated that God is the creator of all things, as his predecessors have.

"...there is no contradiction between evolution and a belief in creation, but rather a "conflict between two diverse concepts of man and his rationality, between the Christian vision and a rationalism that pretends to reduce man to the biological dimension."
http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/evolution-doesn-t-contradict-bible-cardinal-affirms

Pope:
"...The Big-Bang, that is placed today at the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine intervention but exacts it. The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve.
In regard to man, instead, there is a change and a novelty. When, on the sixth day of the Genesis account, we come to the creation of man, God gives the human being another autonomy, a different autonomy from that of nature, which is freedom. And He tells man to give a name to all things and to go forward in the course of history. He renders him responsible for creation, also so that he will dominate Creation, so that he will develop it and so forth until the end of time. Therefore, the attitude that corresponds to the scientist, especially to the Christian scientist is to question himself about the future of humanity and of the earth and, as a free and responsible being, to contribute to prepare it, to preserve it, and to eliminate the risks of the environment, be they natural or human. However, at the same time, the scientist must be moved by trust that hidden nature, in its evolving mechanisms, of potentialities that concern the intelligence and freedom, to discover and to act to arrive at development, which is in the plan of the Creator. Then, although limited, man’s action participates in the power of God and is able to build a world adapted to his twofold corporeal and spiritual life; to build a human world for all – for all human beings, and not for a group or a privileged class. This hope and trust in God, Author of nature, and in the capacity of the human spirit, are able to give the researcher new energy and profound serenity. However, it is also true that man’s action, when his liberty becomes autonomy, -- which is not liberty but autonomy -- destroys creation and man takes the place of the Creator. And this is the grave sin against God the Creator..."
full text Pope Francis' Address at Inauguration of Bronze Bust of Benedict XVI | ZENIT - The World Seen From Rome

There is no denial of creation or Genesis and God as Creator is repeatedly mentioned, contrary to the misleading thread title.

 

[jjtj22]

Someone has to be deaf, dumb and blind to believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. That's what Pat Robertson said to Ken Ham. Personally, I agree.

I mention Pat Robertson only because he has a wide audience with respect to religious matters. Like the Pope.

The other YEC personality often mentioned besides Ken Ham is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind). Dr. Dino also has a wide audience, especially at the federal prison where he is currently incarcerated.

Your profile states you are a Christian,

So you seriously believe God using the process of evolution gets to ape men, randomly picks a couple, gives them souls and called them Adam and Eve? And then you call young earth creationist deaf, dumb and blind?

 

[Jackson123]

Your understanding of the extraordinary infallibilty of the Pope (its a theological wording) is off. The Pope is not always infallible, only when he gives a "new" teaching on morality or is quoting infallible teaching, which all Christians can do.

How about evolution is right. Is that new teaching ?

Can you quote the original law about infallibility of Pope?