Contradiction of WORDS

ChristIsGod · Nov 3, 2014

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[SUB]613 Laws - broken down into Ten - that are fulfilled in Two -[/SUB]

[SUB]Mar 12:29-31 And JESUS answered him,
"The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. [/SUB]
[SUB]And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."[/SUB]
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It's still "all about Love" -[/SUB]
[SUB]1Cor 13:4-9 Love suffers long, and is kind; Love envies not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, does not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endures all things; Love never fails ~

[/SUB]1John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

1John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1John 3:23 And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1John 4:7,8 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1John 4:21 And this commandment have we from Him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

2John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

2John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

newbirth · Nov 3, 2014

royalscot said:

what have you proven with this response bro?....is anyone edified by it? verse 10 is in the bible...do I have to quote the whole bible?

newbirth · Nov 3, 2014

Brainfreeze said:

1 John 2:5
But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

where is obedience in this order?

royalscot · Nov 3, 2014

newbirth said:

are you kidding, i told you, if you cant keep up. put up. or shut up.
what law has a gentile to follow, and if you can address the 70 ad point about the full law, against your works.
and if you cant understand the difference between gentiles and jewish people up to 70 ad. and what happened after 70 ad.
Romans 11( i would recommend reading it all)
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Romans 11
3 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.Galatians 3

eternally-gratefull · Nov 3, 2014

newbirth said:

I repeat...I know your not blind.. Well maybe (rolls eyes)

eternally-gratefull said:

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

royalscot said:

are you kidding, i told you, if you cant keep up. put up. or shut up.
what law has a gentile to follow, and if you can address the 70 ad point about the full law, against your works.
and if you cant understand the difference between gentiles and jewish people up to 70 ad. and what happened after 70 ad.
Romans 11( i would recommend reading it all)
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Romans 11
3 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.Galatians 3

No doubt and I agree...it is either works or grace and last time I checked my bible teaches grace dia faith......In the GRACE you are, having been SAVED out of FAITH and that not of YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF God and NOT OF WORKS lest any man should BOAST........

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

AMEN to this as well........it is amazing how simple the order is.....

lost-->faith-->saved/justified-->sanctified (set apart)-->works for God

I don't understand how people cannot see this and put works at the front of the list and like it states clearly...if it is works then it is not grace and my bible clearly teaches grace based upon faith and the completed work of JESUS.....rather simple at the end of the day for sure.......

eternally-gratefull · Nov 3, 2014

dcontroversal said:

You know whats is amazing. If we went to a homeless shelter where people are sickly and can not work. and offered in mercy and grace to give them some hope (financial or otherwise), yet said we will only give it to people who do certain things to earn it, These people preaching works would be all over us for being deceivers and liars. Yet when we try to show them that is what they are making God do to us, who are sick and without hope, they still call us liars and cheaters.

we can;t catch a break with them, and why they have to be exposed.

eternally-gratefull · Nov 3, 2014

dcontroversal said:

amen, especially when God says we can not work, or do anything for him UNTIL we are born again first, and our relationship is restored.

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

I agree and will add....the word of God is spiritual in origin and the natural man cannot receive and or even discern the will of God much less do it unless SAVED......!

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

I agree with this as well and will even add...we can state clear scripture that is as plain as the sun in the sky and they (workers/water for salvation-ites) will argue that the sun is not in the sky.....Deception is rampant for sure and the master deceiver is working overtime for sure.........!

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

Elin said:

Awesome thoughts for sure here hahahah...I like it for sure!

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

Kerry said:

Amen to this as well.....Like the Lord said...if humanity did not cry out the very rocks would...Can you imagine the rocks testifying of Jesus and crying out!

newbirth · Nov 3, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

where is it in your order

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

newbirth said:

Wouldn't do any good to tell you as you will continually close your eyes to the truth and pay the price at the end of the day....

Straightshot · Nov 3, 2014

No human can earn their salvation ... this is a gift of God

When one is saved then one will desire to do the Lord's will and good works will follow

newbirth · Nov 3, 2014

dcontroversal said:

is your faith the same obedience of faith?....
Romans 16:25-27King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

dcontroversal · Nov 3, 2014

Straightshot said:

No doubt.....and I agree

lost-->hear the word-->believe the word-->saved, justified, sanctified and then works...

newbirth · Nov 3, 2014

dcontroversal said:

no doing here either....
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. you are describing faith without works.....to be saved

elf3 · Nov 3, 2014

newbirth said:

Since you had a completely hollow argument on the other forum about Romans 5:1,2 let's see what it would be here.

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