What of the dinosaurs?

[Calminian]

No it does not. And you are presumptuous to say some guy knows better lol. Especially if he thinks 6 24 hours days. No one who knows scriptures will come up with that. That is an absurd claim and I can't imagine the number of intelligent people turned off by such silly unscriptural twisting of what a Day to the Lord Means.

Well then you just threw a huge percentage of old earthers under the bus. Because they know there is no other way to read the text but literal days. You've seriously never heard of the gap theory?

And yom in hebrew has a number of meanings just as day does in english. It doesn't matter, because only context of words determine meanings. You can't just willy nilly change the meaning of a morning evening day to fit your beliefs on origins. Do you also understand the resurrection of Christ figuratively? Cause resurrection can be used figuratively also.

 

[Calminian]

As a scientist and after viewing all the available evidence I've seen over the decades, evidence shows clearly there has never been an occurrence of evolution. ....

Hmmm. Nor has there ever been an occurrence of a big bang, but you seem to have no problem with that. Just say'n.

 

[JackH]

And yom in hebrew has a number of meanings just as day does in english. It doesn't matter, because only context of words determine meanings. You can't just willy nilly change the meaning of a morning evening day to fit your beliefs on origins.

This explanation of "yom" is far more credible than the Hovindian videos you have linked to in this thread:

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/yom_with_number.pdf

 

[Cycel]

Dr. Mary Schweitzer on T-Rex Soft Tissue Discovery.flv - YouTube

Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

The young earth theory is bogus .... it should be obvious that the earth and universe are of extreme aging

.... but the presence of the first humans about 6000 years ago is a different matter

No on needs a sideline theory

Just read your Bible .... the correct account of creation

Genesis 1:1 ......................... Genesis 1:2

There is a long long time lapse between

Just the declining magnetic fields of planets like ours and stars alone is evidence of a young universe.

How about you look up a physics term "entropy", then explain to us how earth has defied thermodynamic laws?

You say there is a long gap between Gen 1:1-1:2

What Hebrew words tell you that? Why don't the other uses of Yom point to eons by context? But an "old earther" is trapped into making use of Yom to fit his unbiblical theory. How could a night last millions of years and allow for plants and animals to live? Surface water would freeze over in days. The atmosphere would freeze, assuming it was heavily loaded with moisture, resulting in massive precipitation and flooding to continue for multiplied millions of years.

NIGHTS. If the day was as long as you say, how could the nights be as long and support life? How could such long days not melt the crust? It took a million years for earth to rotate once on it's axis? Science says the earth rotated faster in the beginning, is slowing down.

 

[4enlightment]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing.

[video=youtube_share;yJOQiyLFMNY]http://youtu.be/yJOQiyLFMNY[/video]

Update on the soft tissue is the reason was that the tissue had a large amount of iron that had preserve it, and which that is a lie. All they would of had found more powder of iron with other powdered substances, not soft tissue.

 

[4enlightment]

The controversial discovery of 68-million-year-old soft tissue from the bones of a Tyrannosaurus rexfinally has a physical explanation. According to new research, iron in the dinosaur's body preserved the tissue before it could decay.
The research, headed by Mary Schweitzer, a molecular paleontologist at North Carolina State University, explains how proteins — and possibly even DNA — can survive millennia. Schweitzer and her colleagues first raised this question in 2005, when they found the seemingly impossible: soft tissue preserved inside the leg of an adolescent T. rexunearthed in Montana. Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained

 

[Straightshot]

"How about you look up a physics term "entropy", then explain to us how earth has defied thermodynamic laws?"

You say there is a long gap between Gen 1:1-1:2


First of all I know that the Bible is what it claims to be .... the very words of the living God [I can prove this by His more sure word of prophecy]

Next, I know that the creation account therein is also true

A universe created in the beginning in perfection

Then a universe that has been severely judged by its Maker because of satanic rebellion

Then I can see what you call a "gap"

This time lapse between the beginning and the condition of the earth about 6000 years ago is not revealed ... if the Creator were to add all of the details between in the Bible you would need 10 semi-trucks to carry it around

The scriptures tell that humans made in God's image have only been around for about 6000 years according to the ancestral records given

Genesis tells that the Lord reconditioned the earth because it was uninhabitable as the result of His judgment

And He did this reconditioning in 5 literal 24 hour days .... then He made humans to inhabit the earth

Before this reconditioning and the judgment the earth and the entire universe was filled with life forms including the angelic realm .... then came His unrelenting destruction of the same .... and the earth was without form and void covered with waters below and above and darkness prevailed

The earth was not created initially in this condition

Today we have another setting including human rebellion against the Lord

And He intends to judge again for the purging of intransigent humanity

The He will make news heavens and a new earth which will be a return to the initial creation of perfection

And this condition will be eternal and last forever

So He is qualifying the angels and humans for eternity

You do not want Him to eliminate you .... I would suggest that you turn to Him and seek His salvation so that you might gain eternal life

 

[Word_Swordsman]

The controversial discovery of 68-million-year-old soft tissue from the bones of a Tyrannosaurus rexfinally has a physical explanation. According to new research, iron in the dinosaur's body preserved the tissue before it could decay.
The research, headed by Mary Schweitzer, a molecular paleontologist at North Carolina State University, explains how proteins — and possibly even DNA — can survive millennia. Schweitzer and her colleagues first raised this question in 2005, when they found the seemingly impossible: soft tissue preserved inside the leg of an adolescent T. rexunearthed in Montana. Controversial T. Rex Soft Tissue Find Finally Explained

Too many descriptors "might", "may have", "could", "believed to be" and the like keep such conclusions at best in the science hypothesis stage. This issue isn't really lose to that level. They have come up with a guess. Most evolutionist declarations contain too much speculation, too little definitive science-method proof of many claims. Instead of reading between the lines they tend to fill in between the lines of actual information. They must guess at most of it because they are trapped in the present, can't visit back to observe actual facts. Next comes testing by competitive labs. Discrepancies then must be worked together, usually cancelling out the first conclusion. Even if lab operations over a century are conducted, there is no way to simulate preservation over a million years, much less 60 millions of years.

There are many embarrassing "discoveries" among evolutionists. They are adept at taking a fossil feather that grows into a tale about a giant dinosaur evolving into modern day chickens, when the feather was actually only a mineral dendrite. It's those "might have" words that ultimately ruin the science that actually got off to a good start. I have a nice collection of dendrites, most being flat mineral patterns resembling ferns, but those are just the way the mineral molecules crystallized in a crack between rock layers. My favorite is a a dendrite/phantom inside a clear quartz crystal that looks like a climbing rose vine, complete with 'leaves' and a few red 'roses'. Poor science would be to conclude the quartz crystal formed around a live rose. That's what everyone that has handled it has guessed. But due to the high temperature needed (melt lead) for quartz crystals to form, there would be no trace of a plant inside it. The dendrite is but a pretty defect, like a flaw (nitrogen chamber) in a clear diamond improves it's beauty.

Beware of science statements based on guesses . School science textbooks are still filled with guesses, speculation, and outright deceptions, all in the name of trying to convey science ideas to students on their level of comprehension. The more they guess, the more they discourage people from believing any of the Bible is true. They did that to me in the 1950's-1960's pursuing a geology education, but God saved me in my thirties from influence of atheists and agnostics, as well as confused Christians.

 

[JackH]

Why don't the other uses of Yom point to eons by context?

It would appear that you are saying that there are no instances in the Hebrew OT where "yom" means a long period of time.

Is that what you are saying?

 

[4enlightment]

Too many descriptors "might", "may have", "could", "believed to be" and the like keep such conclusions at best in the science hypothesis stage. This issue isn't really lose to that level. They have come up with a guess. Most evolutionist declarations contain too much speculation, too little definitive science-method proof of many claims. Instead of reading between the lines they tend to fill in between the lines of actual information. They must guess at most of it because they are trapped in the present, can't visit back to observe actual facts. Next comes testing by competitive labs. Discrepancies then must be worked together, usually cancelling out the first conclusion. Even if lab operations over a century are conducted, there is no way to simulate preservation over a million years, much less 60 millions of years.

There are many embarrassing "discoveries" among evolutionists. They are adept at taking a fossil feather that grows into a tale about a giant dinosaur evolving into modern day chickens, when the feather was actually only a mineral dendrite. It's those "might have" words that ultimately ruin the science that actually got off to a good start. I have a nice collection of dendrites, most being flat mineral patterns resembling ferns, but those are just the way the mineral molecules crystallized in a crack between rock layers. My favorite is a a dendrite/phantom inside a clear quartz crystal that looks like a climbing rose vine, complete with 'leaves' and a few red 'roses'. Poor science would be to conclude the quartz crystal formed around a live rose. That's what everyone that has handled it has guessed. But due to the high temperature needed (melt lead) for quartz crystals to form, there would be no trace of a plant inside it. The dendrite is but a pretty defect, like a flaw (nitrogen chamber) in a clear diamond improves it's beauty.

Beware of science statements based on guesses . School science textbooks are still filled with guesses, speculation, and outright deceptions, all in the name of trying to convey science ideas to students on their level of comprehension. The more they guess, the more they discourage people from believing any of the Bible is true. They did that to me in the 1950's-1960's pursuing a geology education, but God saved me in my thirties from influence of atheists and agnostics, as well as confused Christians.

They believe what they want to believe..

They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.
There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones[SUP]17[/SUP]). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today. http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

 

[JackH]

Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today. http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

This John Michael Fischer, the author of the mindless drivel you have posted, is who exactly?

He has a degree in what from where and we should believe him why?

Just looking for a credibility check here.

You know, I think you post some of this crap to annoy people and get some attention.

But let's cut to the chase on some of what you have posted recently. I have two questions:

Do you believe that bacteria is undergoing evolution as we speak?

Do you believe that Dr. Schweitzer's discovery is proof that T. rex existed 6,000 years ago?

 

[4enlightment]

This John Michael Fischer, the author of the mindless drivel you have posted, is who exactly?

He has a degree in what from where and we should believe him why?

Just looking for a credibility check here.

You know, I think you post some of this crap to annoy people and get some attention.

But let's cut to the chase on some of what you have posted recently. I have two questions:

Do you believe that bacteria is undergoing evolution as we speak?

Do you believe that Dr. Schweitzer's discovery is proof that T. rex existed 6,000 years ago?

I know that bacteria build up a defense quickly like any other creature. Just like the viruses that are becoming immune because they aren't under a surprise attack anymore, now they have time to get to know their enemy. I left a cup water once outside, and the next day, it had evaporated. I was wondering how long does it takes for us to dehydrate?

 

[4enlightment]

This John Michael Fischer, the author of the mindless drivel you have posted, is who exactly?

He has a degree in what from where and we should believe him why?

Just looking for a credibility check here.

You know, I think you post some of this crap to annoy people and get some attention.

But let's cut to the chase on some of what you have posted recently. I have two questions:

Do you believe that bacteria is undergoing evolution as we speak?

Do you believe that Dr. Schweitzer's discovery is proof that T. rex existed 6,000 years ago?

Yes, I it seem that away, but why would Christians be annoy?

 

[Timeline]

No it does not. And you are presumptuous to say some guy knows better lol. Especially if he thinks 6 24 hours days. No one who knows scriptures will come up with that. That is an absurd claim and I can't imagine the number of intelligent people turned off by such silly unscriptural twisting of what a Day to the Lord Means.

Maybe that's why God included the words, "evening and morning". So that people would not make statements like the one you just made. The six days of creation and the day of rest were literal days...evening and morning.

 

[JackH]

In my newspaper today, I found this article, which is probably in your newspaper also:

Weird Skull From Madagascar Reveals Ancient Mammal - ABC News

In the article, you will note it says the creature "lived sometime between 66 million and 72 million years ago."

When you see articles like this in reputable national media venues, there is never any disclaimer like: "But Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis and Dr. Dino (Ken Hovind) say this creature is less than 6,000 years old."

Why do you suppose that is?

Because those sources have little credibility?

 

[JackH]

Maybe that's why God included the words, "evening and morning". So that people would not make statements like the one you just made. The six days of creation and the day of rest were literal days...evening and morning.

Here is an excellent explanation of the "evening and morning" issue:

How Long an Evening & Morning

To quote one paragraph:

"Evening and morning" is an idiomatic expression in Semitic languages. Like all idioms, its meaning is nonliteral but clearly understood by native speakers. The phrase "evening and morning" can, like yom, denote a long and indefinite period. The Old Testament itself unambiguously uses the "evening and morning" phrase in just such a way. In Daniel 8 we read the account of Daniel's ram and goat vision and the interpretation given by Gabriel. The vision covers many years; some commentators believe the time has not yet been completed. Daniel 8:26 says, "The vision of the evenings and the mornings that have been given to you is true, but seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future" (RSV). In Hebrew manuscripts, "the evenings and mornings," is not in the plural but in the singular, identical to the expression we find in Genesis 1. Translated literally, the verse would red, "And the vision of the evening and the morning that has been given you" Here we have a clear indication from scriptural usage that this phrase does not demand a 24-hour-day interpretation and can refer to an indefinite epoch.

 

[4enlightment]

• Twitter users across the world are claiming to smell a rat over a picture of an alleged mutant rodent sweeping the social networking site.
  The image above shows a staff member from a Footlocker store in New York using a shovel to pick up what is claimed to be a 3ft-long super rat.3-ft long mutant rat 'found in New York Footlocker store' - picture - Mirror Online

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/06/giant-rat-found-bronx-new-york-foot-locker_n_1190141.html

I believe that y'all Evolutionist need to get out and explore sometimes. Do you know that we has shopping malls?

 

[kennethcadwell]

In my newspaper today, I found this article, which is probably in your newspaper also:

Weird Skull From Madagascar Reveals Ancient Mammal - ABC News

In the article, you will note it says the creature "lived sometime between 66 million and 72 million years ago."

When you see articles like this in reputable national media venues, there is never any disclaimer like: "But Institute for Creation Research, Answers in Genesis and Dr. Dino (Ken Hovind) say this creature is less than 6,000 years old."

Why do you suppose that is?

Because those sources have little credibility?

It is also because the same old argument/debate on how flawed our dating systems are gets old as well.

 

[Timeline]

Here is an excellent explanation of the "evening and morning" issue:

How Long an Evening & Morning

To quote one paragraph:

"Evening and morning" is an idiomatic expression in Semitic languages. Like all idioms, its meaning is nonliteral but clearly understood by native speakers. The phrase "evening and morning" can, like yom, denote a long and indefinite period. The Old Testament itself unambiguously uses the "evening and morning" phrase in just such a way. In Daniel 8 we read the account of Daniel's ram and goat vision and the interpretation given by Gabriel. The vision covers many years; some commentators believe the time has not yet been completed. Daniel 8:26 says, "The vision of the evenings and the mornings that have been given to you is true, but seal up the vision for it concerns the distant future" (RSV). In Hebrew manuscripts, "the evenings and mornings," is not in the plural but in the singular, identical to the expression we find in Genesis 1. Translated literally, the verse would red, "And the vision of the evening and the morning that has been given you" Here we have a clear indication from scriptural usage that this phrase does not demand a 24-hour-day interpretation and can refer to an indefinite epoch.

1) Why should I regard this writer's thoughts on the matter?
2) How would you think God should have inspired the writer of Genesis to write this so that you would take it literally?

It seems to me that you will go out of your way not to believe that the six days of creation were literally 6 24-hour periods. And I also believe that you do this because you regard the words of men above those of God. You are trying to match the Bible to mans' CURRENT "understanding" of the history of the world.